Channel 9 News...

Ice Wolf · Post: # 945022Post **Ice Wolf** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:37pm

Club has to make a stand on all this muck raking by the Hun and 9.

Cut them off completely, instruct players not to talk to Journalists for the Hun or 9 and no more appearances on 9.

If 7 wants them on Game Day stipulate that Robinson is not to be present, no more appearances on On the Couch etc.

Its one thing to report the news but another entirely to do what 9 and the Hun seem to get up to constantly.

SainterK · Post: # 945024Post **SainterK** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:40pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
Solar wrote:
Why didn't he go through the proper process at the time? The OPI is accessable even now and by the sound of it they will launch a investigation into it. So why go to the media before doing that. Doesn't help that channel 9 have no ethics at all but seriously what did he hope to gain outside of them having a look back into what happened? Now he has tarred a whole group of people who might not have had any hand in the problems.

Goin to totally boycott both channel 9, herald sun and their sponsors. Have told them. Might not do anything but makes me feel a little better.

Love the quote "might as wll win the f78king thing"
Who gives a f*** "why"? None of that matters. There could be an infinite number of reasons why he didn't, or why he went to the media, or why he wears a blue tie, instead of a green one. Who cares? I bet none of us really care about all these "whys" that are being asked. As I said they're just beating around the bush trying to avoid the quesrion they really want to ask.
And it now looks like he did make complaints about it at the time.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kil ... 5882432318

I understand that, I get that he tried to complain through the relevant people at the time.

Still doesn't explain why that for someone emphasising that he wanted to justice to prevail and that there was sufficient evidence for this to go to trial, why he has now singlehandedly destroyed any chance of this ever happening.

Who has benefited from this, certainly not the woman allegedly involved, certainly not the players investigated...

It makes little sense to me.

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:41pm

degruch wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:I think you're all just firing shots at anyone and everyone you can, to avoid the question that's really eating away at you. Did they do it?
What's that got to do with anything? This is a story on internal police corruption, the MM case has been done and dusted for years.

What a stupid f****** question. You've got to be kidding. These two play for our footy club. Do we want them here if they raped someone, or were aware that someone they knew was having sex with someone that thought they were someone else?
As soon as the Lovett thing surfaced we seemingly all wanted him out him out of here ASAP, yet the same doesn't appear to be the case with these two.
I love these guys, but, if they were responsible for what they were accused of, I don't want them at our club. Do you? Whether the investigation was "done and dusted" or not?

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:43pm

SainterK wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
Solar wrote:
Why didn't he go through the proper process at the time? The OPI is accessable even now and by the sound of it they will launch a investigation into it. So why go to the media before doing that. Doesn't help that channel 9 have no ethics at all but seriously what did he hope to gain outside of them having a look back into what happened? Now he has tarred a whole group of people who might not have had any hand in the problems.

Goin to totally boycott both channel 9, herald sun and their sponsors. Have told them. Might not do anything but makes me feel a little better.

Love the quote "might as wll win the f78king thing"
Who gives a f*** "why"? None of that matters. There could be an infinite number of reasons why he didn't, or why he went to the media, or why he wears a blue tie, instead of a green one. Who cares? I bet none of us really care about all these "whys" that are being asked. As I said they're just beating around the bush trying to avoid the quesrion they really want to ask.
And it now looks like he did make complaints about it at the time.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kil ... 5882432318
I understand that, I get that he tried to complain through the relevant people at the time.

Still doesn't explain why that for someone emphasising that he wanted to justice to prevail and that there was sufficient evidence for this to go to trial, why he has now singlehandedly destroyed any chance of this ever happening.

Who has benefited from this, certainly not the woman allegedly involved, certainly not the players investigated...

It makes little sense to me.

I didn't say he was smart, did I?

degruch · Post: # 945027Post **degruch** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:44pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
degruch wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:I think you're all just firing shots at anyone and everyone you can, to avoid the question that's really eating away at you. Did they do it?
What's that got to do with anything? This is a story on internal police corruption, the MM case has been done and dusted for years.
What a stupid f****** question. You've got to be kidding. These two play for our footy club. Do we want them here if they raped someone, or were aware that someone they knew was having sex with someone that thought they were someone else?
As soon as the Lovett thing surfaced we seemingly all wanted him out him out of here ASAP, yet the same doesn't appear to be the case with these two.
I love these guys, but, if they were responsible for what they were accused of, I don't want them at our club. Do you? Whether the investigation was "done and dusted" or not?

What a stupid f****** response. Youy're jumping at 'implications' and trying to construct them into a story...the same way this ex-cop is. He can imply all he wants, but the case (at least for the time being) is closed. Some people need attention, don't they.

TazzieSaintGirl83 · Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:47pm

I agree with you SainterK.

I dont want to see a cover up and if there was any wrong doing then people(on whatever side they may be) need to face up to it but a sensational two page spread in paper parading all the supposed details is wrong and helps no one, least of all the women involved.

SainterK · Post: # 945029Post **SainterK** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:48pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
SainterK wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
Solar wrote:
Why didn't he go through the proper process at the time? The OPI is accessable even now and by the sound of it they will launch a investigation into it. So why go to the media before doing that. Doesn't help that channel 9 have no ethics at all but seriously what did he hope to gain outside of them having a look back into what happened? Now he has tarred a whole group of people who might not have had any hand in the problems.

Goin to totally boycott both channel 9, herald sun and their sponsors. Have told them. Might not do anything but makes me feel a little better.

Love the quote "might as wll win the f78king thing"
Who gives a f*** "why"? None of that matters. There could be an infinite number of reasons why he didn't, or why he went to the media, or why he wears a blue tie, instead of a green one. Who cares? I bet none of us really care about all these "whys" that are being asked. As I said they're just beating around the bush trying to avoid the quesrion they really want to ask.
And it now looks like he did make complaints about it at the time.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kil ... 5882432318
I understand that, I get that he tried to complain through the relevant people at the time.

Still doesn't explain why that for someone emphasising that he wanted to justice to prevail and that there was sufficient evidence for this to go to trial, why he has now singlehandedly destroyed any chance of this ever happening.

Who has benefited from this, certainly not the woman allegedly involved, certainly not the players investigated...

It makes little sense to me.
I didn't say he was smart, did I?

No, as this story continues to unfold, he is proving he is lacking a lot more than intelligence...especially given he has let down who he believes is the victim.

Solar · Post: # 945030Post **Solar** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:49pm

TazzieSaintGirl83 wrote:I agree with you SainterK.

I dont want to see a cover up and if there was any wrong doing then people(on whatever side they may be) need to face up to it but a senstational two page spread in paper parading all the supposed details is wrong and helps no one, least of all the women involved.

agreed and any chance that both parties get a decient end to this incident has gone completely. How this could ever be re-opened is questionable. The way it's being reported is disgusting.

I just feel for the two girls, Stephen and Leigh.

degruch · Post: # 945032Post **degruch** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:51pm

SainterK wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
SainterK wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
Solar wrote:
Why didn't he go through the proper process at the time? The OPI is accessable even now and by the sound of it they will launch a investigation into it. So why go to the media before doing that. Doesn't help that channel 9 have no ethics at all but seriously what did he hope to gain outside of them having a look back into what happened? Now he has tarred a whole group of people who might not have had any hand in the problems.

Goin to totally boycott both channel 9, herald sun and their sponsors. Have told them. Might not do anything but makes me feel a little better.

Love the quote "might as wll win the f78king thing"
Who gives a f*** "why"? None of that matters. There could be an infinite number of reasons why he didn't, or why he went to the media, or why he wears a blue tie, instead of a green one. Who cares? I bet none of us really care about all these "whys" that are being asked. As I said they're just beating around the bush trying to avoid the quesrion they really want to ask.
And it now looks like he did make complaints about it at the time.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kil ... 5882432318
I understand that, I get that he tried to complain through the relevant people at the time.

Still doesn't explain why that for someone emphasising that he wanted to justice to prevail and that there was sufficient evidence for this to go to trial, why he has now singlehandedly destroyed any chance of this ever happening.

Who has benefited from this, certainly not the woman allegedly involved, certainly not the players investigated...

It makes little sense to me.
I didn't say he was smart, did I?
No, as this story continues to unfold, he is proving he is lacking a lot more than intelligence...especially given he has let down who he believes is the victim.

I'm wondering if this is the same cop who, at the time, implied through the media that MM got away with it? If so, he does have an axe to grind, maybe justifiably, but he's gone about it very poorly.

Until an internal police investigation is carried out (if required), it's wrong for anyone to begin implying anything in regard to the players previously involved...but that doesn't stop the gutter press.

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:52pm

If our guys are innocent of this and I hope like hell they are, for all concerned, then they can "put this to bed", once and for all, before any investigation is re-opened, today, by going and having a polygraph test. Call up channel 9, or whoever they want and go to the place in Richmond, or wherever it is, and sit the polygraph test. Today. Clear their names, once and for all. Unless we reckon Milney's smart enough to beat it.
And for good measure, take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?

degruch · Post: # 945034Post **degruch** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:56pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:And for good measure take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?

Scott Gladman is the only one who needs a polygraph test currently...or a visit from Tim Roth.

Animal Enclosure · Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:57pm

SainterK wrote:From the HS story on their website, this wasn't on the news last night, is this in the next part of the next edition?

The former policeman was critical of Montagna's refusal to make a full statement after initially co-operating with police and being cleared of any wrongdoing himself.

"If a leader of the St Kilda football club is someone who hides behind the club ... who won't be a man and say ... I'm prepared to make a statement to police ...

"He's got to go home and face his family and he's got to face himself in the mirror," Mr Gladman said.

That's the quote that got my goat.

This bloke has the temerity to question Joey's integrity when he didn't have the guts to stand up to what he apparently believed was police corruption at a high level.

Joey made a statement & was cleared of any wrongdoing. End of story.

He was obviously not legally obligated to make a further statement, otherwise he would have been charged with perverting the course of justice or withholding evidence, etc.

How did this copper go facing his family each night when he apparently thought the victim's rights had been ignored?
What did the mirror look like when he looked in it for the past 6 years?
Is he man for choosing his career over the rights of the victim?

What a weak dog to use the media to defame someone when he looks like he is more culpable for the events that are alleged to have taken place.

Of course his hypocrisy will be ignored by all & sundry.

aussierules0k · Tue 22 Jun 2010 12:57pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:00pm

degruch wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:And for good measure take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?
Scott Gladman is the only one who needs a polygraph test currently...or a visit from Tim Roth.

If you're so sure they didn't do what they were accused of, you don't think it would be worth our guys clearing their names, once and for all? They can do it. Today, if they want to. There's a polygraph test here that anyone can sit, for about $600.

Quixote · Post: # 945038Post **Quixote** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:06pm

Let's just say I don't think we'll be seeing too many Footy Show appearances soon.

Bring on Rnd 16 you filthy Pie pigs!

markp · Post: # 945039Post **markp** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:07pm

A polygraph test...

How about we ask a clairvoyant too?

SENsei · Post: # 945041Post **SENsei** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:10pm

aussierules0k wrote:It's a corporate war. We signed up with the Age.
By bothering to discuss this we are playing fully into the Scums hands.
A "story" isn't a story if no-one mentions it.

Bingo.

AnythingsPossibleSaints · Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:11pm

markp wrote:A polygraph test...

How about we ask a clairvoyant too?

Yeah, because they're closely related. If you don't believe they're accurate, there's a pretty easy way to test them out. I hope you're eyes don't fall out, rolling around like that.

degruch · Post: # 945043Post **degruch** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:11pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:
degruch wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:And for good measure take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?
Scott Gladman is the only one who needs a polygraph test currently...or a visit from Tim Roth.
If you're so sure they didn't do what they were accused of, you don't think it would be worth our guys clearing their names, once and for all? They can do it. Today, if they want to. There's a polygraph test here that anyone can sit, for about $600.

Who's saying I believe they're not guilty...all I have to go on is a closed police case form 6 years ago...same as almost everyone else. The point is, the only allegation made to date is from one cop, saying he was bullied by other cops to drop the case. This needs to be dealt with first, by the police, before the media begin harrassing these guys again.

I can't see that what the HUN has done is actually legal, by printing a story implying that two guys are guilty and that the club has somehow influence a police case. There are no facts, not even an open statement to this effect, only implications.

I get your point re: the polygraph by MM, but I wouldn't leap back into an event I'd been involved with 6 years ago, just because someone else has an axe to grind.

SENsei · Post: # 945044Post **SENsei** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:12pm

Cue the Age story on the 'saints fans reactions'.

Some of you will be quoted.

degruch · Post: # 945045Post **degruch** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:16pm

SENsaintsational wrote:Cue the Age story on the 'saints fans reactions'.

Some of you will be quoted.

Good point. Quick, out with the slanderous comments!

MC Gusto · Post: # 945046Post **MC Gusto** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:17pm

Ice Wolf wrote:Club has to make a stand on all this muck raking by the Hun and 9.

Cut them off completely, instruct players not to talk to Journalists for the Hun or 9 and no more appearances on 9.

If 7 wants them on Game Day stipulate that Robinson is not to be present, no more appearances on On the Couch etc.

Its one thing to report the news but another entirely to do what 9 and the Hun seem to get up to constantly.

they already have...cut them off that is

cps · Post: # 945048Post **cps** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:18pm

AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:If our guys are innocent of this and I hope like hell they are, for all concerned, then they can "put this to bed", once and for all, before any investigation is re-opened, today, by going and having a polygraph test. Call up channel 9, or whoever they want and go to the place in Richmond, or wherever it is, and sit the polygraph test. Today. Clear their names, once and for all. Unless we reckon Milney's smart enough to beat it.
And for good measure, take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?

Polygraph testing is discredited:

http://www.antipolygraph.org/

Solar · Post: # 945049Post **Solar** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:20pm

cps wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:If our guys are innocent of this and I hope like hell they are, for all concerned, then they can "put this to bed", once and for all, before any investigation is re-opened, today, by going and having a polygraph test. Call up channel 9, or whoever they want and go to the place in Richmond, or wherever it is, and sit the polygraph test. Today. Clear their names, once and for all. Unless we reckon Milney's smart enough to beat it.
And for good measure, take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?
Polygraph testing is discredited:

http://www.antipolygraph.org/

but but those TV shows have it all the time... that must be true!! I believe everything I see on the Tele!

degruch · Post: # 945050Post **degruch** » Tue 22 Jun 2010 1:21pm

Solar wrote:
cps wrote:
AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:If our guys are innocent of this and I hope like hell they are, for all concerned, then they can "put this to bed", once and for all, before any investigation is re-opened, today, by going and having a polygraph test. Call up channel 9, or whoever they want and go to the place in Richmond, or wherever it is, and sit the polygraph test. Today. Clear their names, once and for all. Unless we reckon Milney's smart enough to beat it.
And for good measure, take Scott Gladman along as well and lets see who's lying. Would you all be happy enough for that to happen?
Polygraph testing is discredited:

http://www.antipolygraph.org/
but but those TV shows have it all the time... that must be true!! I believe everything I see on the Tele!

Tim Roth will have to visit. The boys better wear dark sunglasses!