Best 22, if everyones up and about come final's time!!

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Best 22, if everyones up and about come final's time!!

Post: # 939291Post saintbob »

FB: Bakes Gwilt Blake

HB: Gilbert Fish Raph

C: Monty Lenny Gram

HF: Ray Roo Schneider

FF: Milne Kosi Stanley

R: Gardi, BJ, Dal

Int: CJ, Geary, Mac, Jessy

Emerg: Steven, King, Dempster, Mini
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Post: # 939298Post xander »

Surely Zac isn't that bad. I think i'd prefer him over gwilt at FB


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Post: # 939302Post The Sainter »

Looks fairly good to me, my worry is Gwilt strong enough in contested situations plus would prefer Blake on the half back flank because the odd free kicks he gives away by holding on in marking duels could be more costly close to goals. I still believe Kosi should be given a run on the back line when Roo comes back as Kosi is such a strong body in marking contests.


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Re: Best 22 if everyones up about come finals

Post: # 939304Post Spinner »

saintbob wrote:FB: Bakes Gwilt Blake

HB: Gilbert Fish Raph

C: Monty Lenny Gram

HF: Ray Roo Schneider

FF: Milne Kosi Stanley

R: Gardi, BJ, Dal

Int: CJ, Geary, Mac, Jessy

Emerg: Steven, King, Dempster, Mini

I dont believe Gwilt is in our best 22 let alone full back.

Anyways....



FB: Baker Dawson Clarke
HB: Gilbert Fisher Blake
C: Montagna Hayes Gram
HF: Schneider Riewoldt Goddard
FF: Milne Koschitzke McQualter
R: Gardiner Dal Santo Jones
INT: Ray McEvoy Armitage Geary


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Post: # 939310Post stinger »

saintbob wrote:FB: Bakes Gwilt Blake

HB: Gilbert Fish Raph

C: Monty Lenny Gram

HF: Ray Roo Schneider

FF: Milne Kosi Stanley

R: Gardi, BJ, Dal

Int: CJ, Geary, Mac, Jessy

Emerg: Steven, King, Dempster, Mini





i'd go along with that......maybe zac for geary...but all in all....fine....


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Post: # 939312Post saintbob »

The Sainter wrote:Looks fairly good to me, my worry is Gwilt strong enough in contested situations plus would prefer Blake on the half back flank because the odd free kicks he gives away by holding on in marking duels could be more costly close to goals. I still believe Kosi should be given a run on the back line when Roo comes back as Kosi is such a strong body in marking contests.
I remember Gwilt playing on Jonathon Brown one time and holding his own so I'd say that he would be strong enough.


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Spinner wrote:
saintbob wrote:FB: Bakes Gwilt Blake

HB: Gilbert Fish Raph

C: Monty Lenny Gram

HF: Ray Roo Schneider

FF: Milne Kosi Stanley

R: Gardi, BJ, Dal

Int: CJ, Geary, Mac, Jessy

Emerg: Steven, King, Dempster, Mini

I dont believe Gwilt is in our best 22 let alone full back.

Anyways....



FB: Baker Dawson Clarke
HB: Gilbert Fisher Blake
C: Montagna Hayes Gram
HF: Schneider Riewoldt Goddard
FF: Milne Koschitzke McQualter
R: Gardiner Dal Santo Jones
INT: Ray McEvoy Armitage Geary
Interested to know why you don't think Gwilt is in the best 22. Based on form this year I would have thought he definitely has a place. What do you see as his deficiencies?


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Post: # 939317Post saintspremiers »

WTF?

Jesse Smith in our best 22??

Hasn't even played a game this year, how the heck do you have any idea what he now will be like?


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Post: # 939318Post bigred »

I dont believe Gwilt is in our best 22 let alone full back.
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Sorry but you lost me there.


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Post: # 939319Post plugger66 »

Zac is in the final side IMO and so is Mini if we are talking best sides in RL opinion. Jessie Smith hasnt proven anything yet. Lets wait and see on him. Wouldnt give up on Steven being in our best side or Armo either.


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I think Gwilt could pass Dawson. We haven't seen it yet though.


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Post: # 939326Post Spinner »

shmic_s wrote:I think Gwilt could pass Dawson. We haven't seen it yet though.

I what way...?

Contested marking?

Spoiling?




Gwilt is listed 188cm from memory - Even on paper he isn't passing Dawson for Full Back.


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Spinner wrote:
shmic_s wrote:I think Gwilt could pass Dawson. We haven't seen it yet though.

I what way...?

Contested marking?

Spoiling?




Gwilt is listed 188cm from memory - Even on paper he isn't passing Dawson for Full Back.
Exactly. As soon as Gwilt goes to FB so does a 196cm player. If Gwilt is so good at FB why didnt he play on reiwoldt last week.


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Post: # 939333Post shmic_s »

Gwilt would struggle against the taller forwards.

If Gwilt was to hold his spot at Dawson's expense, Blake to FB.

But structure wise, and based on what we've seem at the moment, i agree. I'd have Dawson at FB.


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FB: Baker Dawson Blake

HB: Gilbert Fisher Gwilt

C: Monty Hayes Gram

HF: Schneider Roo Goddard

FF: Milne Kosi McQualter

R: Gardiner Dal Jones

Int: Clarke McEvoy Armo Ray


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Post: # 939398Post SaintTom »

IF J. Smith can come in with some decent form, even if it's not 100% of what he's capable of and we've seen in the past, he'll be in the 22. And with that run and kicking accuracy coming off the half back line , that means we can use Fisher as a viable FB option instead of Zac. SOS said himself at three quarter time the other night that they 'needed to put our best defender on riewoldt' (Fisher) after Blake didn't work.

Having said that, Zac is in the 22 IMO. Even though I've been horribly disappointed with his form.


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Post: # 939406Post Bernard Shakey »

Spinner wrote:
shmic_s wrote:I think Gwilt could pass Dawson. We haven't seen it yet though.

I what way...?

Contested marking?

Spoiling?




Gwilt is listed 188cm from memory - Even on paper he isn't passing Dawson for Full Back.
At least Jimmy watches the ball and contests.

The only thing wrong with Zac this year is that he watches his man all the time and has no idea where the ball is. Hopefully he watches some video of his woeful performances and comes back all the better for it.


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Post: # 939461Post SainterK »

Sorry Spinner, but I disagree, Gwilt is in our best 22 on current form.


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Post: # 939469Post rexy »

To early to really know, but an interesting thing to do at the half way point none the less.

Dont think you can pick anyone who has not played a game for us with any real credibility so Lynch Walsh Dempster Smith's and any others out of contention at this stage IMO.

B Baker Dawson Blake
HB Gilbert Fisher Gwilt
C Gram Hayes DalSanto
HF Montagna Reiwoldt Mcqualter
F Schneider Koschitzke Milne
M Gardiner Goddard Jones
I McEvoy Clarke Ray Geary
E Stanley Eddy Armitage

I think we really want/need to play a genuine tall defender and dawson is the only one with any AFL experience, this is one that could be different by years end but no evidence who or how at this stage, Clarke, Geary, Ray, Goddard and Gram at a pinch give us further options down back.

Best 6 mids (montagna included) are a lock in, Still worries me that out of 4 small forwards I have named only one is a bonafide mid, but Schneider and Mcqualter can and will need to help out, Ray is part of that rotation on to a wing to allow Gram and dal into the centre, Geary and Clarke can have a run in there if needed but not really tried performers at centre bounces, Baker a second option for tagging if needed. If Armitage can have a good second half after he is fit then i would love to see him force his way in at the expense of Geary Schneider or Mcqualter, he is a genuine mid obviously.

Would have loved to have included Stanley in the forward line but think it would detract from our already shallow midfield options, Forward line very conservative, would love to see Lynch really press for a spot at the expense of one small forward but cant select someone on my hopes.

McEvoy my choice for back up ruck at this stage, King would be the conservative option but I think we will persevere with big Mac, Outside chance that Kosi takes number 2 spot and Stanley forces his way into the forward line but not likely at this stage.

Overall I worry about FB.
To many small forwards.
Genuine mid field depth.

Hope someone grabs it by the balls and stakes a claim in the second half, My side looks very similar to last years which wasnt good enough on the day?


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Post: # 939504Post Spinner »

SainterK wrote:Sorry Spinner, but I disagree, Gwilt is in our best 22 on current form.
Don't have to be sorry about it K!

Just don't think he is a quality HBF and is definately not a HFF.....

IMO doesn't improve the side anywhere else if talking best 22.....


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Bardon Saint wrote:FB: Baker Dawson Blake

HB: Gilbert Fisher Gwilt

C: Monty Hayes Gram

HF: Schneider Roo Goddard

FF: Milne Kosi McQualter

R: Gardiner Dal Jones

Int: Clarke McEvoy Armo Ray
+1

Possible changes however are Jesse Smith for Dawson, Geary for Armitage, Steven for McQualter, Stanley for Kosi and King for McEvoy


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Post: # 939537Post ThePunter »

Gwilt would be ahead of Clarke. I have no problem whatsoever with Clarke's form.

Baker Dawson Gilbert
S Fisher Blake Gwilt
Dal Santo Goddard Montagna
McQualter Riewoldt Gram
Schneider Koschitzke Milne
Gardiner Hayes Jones
McEvoy Ray Clarke Peake


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SaintTom wrote:IF J. Smith can come in with some decent form, even if it's not 100% of what he's capable of and we've seen in the past, he'll be in the 22. And with that run and kicking accuracy coming off the half back line , that means we can use Fisher as a viable FB option instead of Zac. SOS said himself at three quarter time the other night that they 'needed to put our best defender on riewoldt' (Fisher) after Blake didn't work.

Having said that, Zac is in the 22 IMO. Even though I've been horribly disappointed with his form.
Also if Stanley suddenly starts kicking 8 goals a game and if Leigh Fisher comes in and has 37 possys a game and if Heyne gets a game and starts kicking goals from all parts of the ground and if and if and if.

There is no way you could consider J SMITH or DEMPSTER near our best side at the moment. It is like saying Jarryd ALLEN is in our best side if he is fit. Can't see it happening. We have a bit of a messiah attitude towards SMITH at the moment and he hasn't played a game for us.

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Post: # 939594Post Stephen Theodore »

Spinner wrote:
FB: Baker Dawson Clarke
HB: Gilbert Fisher Blake
C: Montagna Hayes Gram
HF: Schneider Riewoldt Goddard
FF: Milne Koschitzke McQualter
R: Gardiner Dal Santo Jones
INT: Ray McEvoy Armitage Geary


IMO would have Gwilt for Geary, otherwise agree. Zac and McQ definitely in our best 22


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Post: # 939707Post #1GILL »

The topic says if everyone is up and about, if Jesse Smith is up and about he's not only in our best 22, he's in our best 10.


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