Faaaarrkkk...... (Sex media beat-up thread)

[stinger]

AFL have just announced no action to be taken against Saints players[/quote

ANd apparently Vic Police state there is nothing illegal after having had a look at the situation adn interviewing the girl.

What's the chance that the media will now just stop all of this nonsense?
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Thats great news, and I hope it works out well for all involved, but boy would I like to smack the age and the craptiorial in the gobb

I like to smack our two boys in the gobb too..........for heavens sake our boys...............stay away from school girls...........stay away from footy groupies...........stay away from star hunters(to be polite)............!!!!!

and if you can't......wrap the tool, fool.....

[Winmar]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Nothing unlawful occurred. Nice.

[bigred]

Must be some proud parents out there eh.

[stinger]

Also it is illegal if she is under 18 and is a virgin. Hard to prove but that is the law.
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what utter crap...ffs......and i thought this was an enlightened age....


'Victoria

It is an offence in Victoria to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 16 (Crimes Act 1958, s45(1)). However it is a defence if the younger party was aged 10 years or older and the offender was not more than 2 years older than the younger party (s45(4)(b)). Further it is an offence for a person to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 18 if that person is under the care of the offender (s48) (guardian, teacher etc). A person under the age of 18 is not allowed to work as a prostitute nor to be in a brothel."

[Stillwaiting]

AFL have just announced no action to be taken against Saints players[/quote

ANd apparently Vic Police state there is nothing illegal after having had a look at the situation adn interviewing the girl.

What's the chance that the media will now just stop all of this nonsense?
]

Thats great news, and I hope it works out well for all involved, but boy would I like to smack the age and the craptiorial in the gobb

I like to smack our two boys in the gobb too..........for heavens sake our boys...............stay away from school girls...........stay away from footy groupies...........stay away from star hunters(to be polite)............!!!!!

and if you can't......wrap the tool, fool.....

Just beats me why that does not occur to some of these ppl

[saintbrat]

http://www.saints.com.au/season2010/new ... fault.aspx

St Kilda Media Statement
6:33 PM Wed 26 May, 2010

St Kilda Football Club can confirm it has been working closely with the AFL on a matter that involves two young players and a teenage female, which has been reported widely in the media today.

The conclusions of the investigation are:
The relationship between each of the two young players and the teenage female was consensual and started after the two young players were introduced to her, following the match in Sydney on 27th March.
The players did not obtain the teenage female’s contact details when attending an AFL school visit.Phone records reviewed thus far by the AFL confirm that there was no contact made to the teenage female prior to the match in Sydney on 27th March.Victoria Police has confirmed to the AFL that they have interviewed the teenage female and will be taking no action.
The AFL has interviewed the teenage female and confirmed that her story independently supports the statements made by the players.No names will be released as this is a private matter and the Club will be taking no further action.

for saints.com.au

[OneEyedSainter77]

This will all die down now won't it.

Boring.

Someone sack the coach!

[BonoRocks]

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/af ... 5871724379

AFL probe clears St Kilda players over sex claim
From: AAP May 26, 2010 6:42PM Increase Text Size Decrease Text Size Print Email Share Add to Digg Add to del.icio.us Add to Facebook Add to Kwoff Add to Myspace Add to Newsvine What are these? THE AFL have cleared two St Kilda players of inappropriate behaviour during a school visit, following allegations by a teenage girl.

The Victorian schoolgirl claims she is pregnant after having sex with the two players.

The 16-year-old girl reportedly met the players, who are yet to be named, at a high school football coaching clinic and later reintroduced herself to them in Sydney following the club's round one match against the Swans on March 27.

But the AFL released a statement late on Wednesday, saying there was no evidence she had met the players during the school visit.

"The AFL's concern in relation to this matter was whether any AFL player had acted inappropriately during the course of a school visit," the league said in a statement.

Mr Anderson (AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson) said that all available evidence indicates that the players had no contact with the young woman at an AFL player appearance at the student's school, but met for the first time some weeks later after an AFL match following round one of the 2010 season.

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"The St Kilda players have agreed to provide their telephone records to the AFL. The records provided so far corroborate this fact.

"Mr Anderson said this is a private issue between the parties and the AFL will take no further action."

It is not known when the Saints will finish their investigation into the claims.

[Thinline]

"It had been alleged that the two players had made an official appearance at the girl's school, however general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson said the girl met the players for the first time after a round-one AFL match some weeks later.

"The AFL has spoken to the girl, her family, Victoria Police, the Department of Education, the two St Kilda players and other witnesses.

"Mr Anderson said Victoria Police had interviewed the student, provided a report and determined they would take no action, as no unlawful activity had occurred," a statement read.

"Mr Anderson said that all available evidence indicates that the players had no contact with the young woman at an AFL player appearance at the student's school, but met for the first time some weeks later after an AFL match following round one of the 2010 season.

"The St Kilda players have agreed to provide their telephone records to the AFL. The records provided so far corroborate this fact.""

So then...

Who was the...ahem... journalist who broke this story?

Why did they break the story?

What purpose did breaking the story serve?

Did the journalist ask a single question of anybody before publishing what can only be described as a less than half-baked rumour?

What was done by the journalist to corroborate the most important fact in this story (ie the 'school' bit)?

What sanctions apply to ... ahem ... journalists in these circumstances?

In circumstances where players names are being splashed about pretty much EVERYWHERE online, is there any course for recompense?

What does the girl think about all this? Was she asked? Was her family asked?

Why is it a private matter after the story broke and not before? Did the journalist enquire as to the matter's status before tapping out his words?

What will the child, once old enough, think about all this?

Has the journalist concerned at any point actually engaged his brain to any meaningful extent at all?

Is this really what we have become?

How f*cking sad.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Speaking of all this sex, has anyone else noticed that there's a lot of "porn" on the internet?

Link?

LOL

[markp]

My twisted reasoning tells me that if we didn't win the flag after a near perfect season last year, then surely after all the trials and tribulation of this one we will!

[Gilbert The Great]

This may sound hypocritical, but I find it is a shame that the boys had to be dragged throughthe mud and their names becoming common knowledge amoung the afl fans and industry. It is understandable though that particuarly St.kilda fans want to know who was to blame and seeked to find out, party because we embody part of all the players with the amount of passion we place in the team each year. However I think the way the media behaved in this instance was deplorable, it was pretty evident from early this morning that it was purely a private matter, even if it was not a private they could of held the story to confirm the facts before distributing stories that led many to believe police action would be necccessary and essentially slandering the players, club and AFL . Instead as in so many cases before the media acts before the story is known or manipulates the facts to essentially destroy someones reputation and sometimes life.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

On a side note:

What this thread does make clear is that hundreds of people within this thread, and based on statistics 95% of society - Have no f-ing idea what the law is regarding age of concent.

Such a serious issue, there is no easily available legislation for the average person and the fact that this type of stuff isnt taught in schools at all, or well enough.

All the very best to those personally involved from every angle on this topic.

Exactly, I think I have always just assumed it was 18, so many of us will have learned something from all this. Like not to assume anything.
And it's no surprise that so many aren't aware of what the law states. There are so frickin many of them now (Nanny state, anyone?) that it would just about take us a lifetime to learn them all.

[westy]

I believe this all started because the girl wanted to be excused from an exam. It's a big step from:"The dog ate my homework teacher" isn't it

[St Michele]

This may sound hypocritical, but I find it is a shame that the boys had to be dragged throughthe mud and their names becoming common knowledge amoung the afl fans and industry. It is understandable though that particuarly St.kilda fans want to know who was to blame and seeked to find out, party because we embody part of all the players with the amount of passion we place in the team each year. However I think the way the media behaved in this instance was deplorable, it was pretty evident from early this morning that it was purely a private matter, even if it was not a private they could of held the story to confirm the facts before distributing stories that led many to believe police action would be necccessary and essentially slandering the players, club and AFL . Instead as in so many cases before the media acts before the story is known or manipulates the facts to essentially destroy someones reputation and sometimes life.

It is also the young woman involved who has been dragged thorough this. I am sure she is having a hard enough time dealing with being pregnant at such a young age. I hope for everyone concerned the story is now put to bed and they can get on with their lives.

[SaintSimmo]

To be brutally honest, i dont even care, this is the biggest non-event in the history of afl.
The players have been cleared so really who gives a f***? Because i dont!
I now find it funny that it caused such a stir.
I must say that i hate the media more than i hate collingwood....its ridiculous!!!

[bigred]

"It had been alleged that the two players had made an official appearance at the girl's school, however general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson said the girl met the players for the first time after a round-one AFL match some weeks later.

"The AFL has spoken to the girl, her family, Victoria Police, the Department of Education, the two St Kilda players and other witnesses.

"Mr Anderson said Victoria Police had interviewed the student, provided a report and determined they would take no action, as no unlawful activity had occurred," a statement read.

"Mr Anderson said that all available evidence indicates that the players had no contact with the young woman at an AFL player appearance at the student's school, but met for the first time some weeks later after an AFL match following round one of the 2010 season.

"The St Kilda players have agreed to provide their telephone records to the AFL. The records provided so far corroborate this fact.""

So then...

Who was the...ahem... journalist who broke this story?

Why did they break the story?

What purpose did breaking the story serve?

Did the journalist ask a single question of anybody before publishing what can only be described as a less than half-baked rumour?

What was done by the journalist to corroborate the most important fact in this story (ie the 'school' bit)?

What sanctions apply to ... ahem ... journalists in these circumstances?

In circumstances where players names are being splashed about pretty much EVERYWHERE online, is there any course for recompense?

What does the girl think about all this? Was she asked? Was her family asked?

Why is it a private matter after the story broke and not before? Did the journalist enquire as to the matter's status before tapping out his words?

What will the child, once old enough, think about all this?

Has the journalist concerned at any point actually engaged his brain to any meaningful extent at all?

Is this really what we have become?

How f*cking sad.

Agreed.

Sporting journalism, especially surrounding AFL is absolutely bottom feeding, desperate stuff.

I'm agitated for the players. To have their names dragged through the mud. IT makes no difference that no publication has "named" them as such, everyone knows who they are..

I'm also agitated for the girl and her parents. Seriously WTF.
How would you feel?

Why does the world need to know about this anyway? If there are no legal questions about the situation, then surely it SHOULD be a matter between the direct parties involved.

It is sad that the football world now seems to feed off this.

Most of us would have spent the day around the water cooler defending the damn club. I am sick and tired of it always being our club put through this shyt.

[Dis Believer]

First of all good news in the terms of the high and mighty moral tone taken by some people ( and not I don't mean this forum) as it now becomes a private issue and someone will be up for child support once paternity is sorted and rightly so.

And therein lies the next great social debate. It is apparent that this is an unplanned pregnancy. The female has a choice about the outcome on the basis that it is her body. She can choose to keep THEIR baby or not. The young man has no say in the matter. If he doesn't want to keep the baby, and the young woman does, bad luck. And what's more, she can make a decision that he vehemently disagrees with and then demand money from him to support her choice for the next 18 years.

Seems somewhat unfair in this great age of supposed equality.....

[Con Gorozidis]

Also it is illegal if she is under 18 and is a virgin. Hard to prove but that is the law.
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what utter crap...ffs......and i thought this was an enlightened age....


'Victoria

It is an offence in Victoria to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 16 (Crimes Act 1958, s45(1)). However it is a defence if the younger party was aged 10 years or older and the offender was not more than 2 years older than the younger party (s45(4)(b)). Further it is an offence for a person to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 18 if that person is under the care of the offender (s48) (guardian, teacher etc). A person under the age of 18 is not allowed to work as a prostitute nor to be in a brothel."

im almost certain plugger is taking the proverbial (well i hope so).
unless he lives in saudi arabia?

[St Michele]

First of all good news in the terms of the high and mighty moral tone taken by some people ( and not I don't mean this forum) as it now becomes a private issue and someone will be up for child support once paternity is sorted and rightly so.

And therein lies the next great social debate. It is apparent that this is an unplanned pregnancy. The female has a choice about the outcome on the basis that it is her body. She can choose to keep THEIR baby or not. The young man has no say in the matter. If he doesn't want to keep the baby, and the young woman does, bad luck. And what's more, she can make a decision that he vehemently disagrees with and then demand money from him to support her choice for the next 18 years.

Seems somewhat unfair in this great age of supposed equality.....

My final word I promise remember this situation can be avoided if any person having sex and not wanting a pregnancy uses a condom ( and other contraception). This can be used as a lesson for all young people... think how you would have felt in this situation. The choice is use a condom it costs $2 don't use one and you may have to pay many thousands of dollars over your life for a child.

[snoopygirl]

Thank god this has been resolved in less than 24 hours.

[lurker#134]

Its says Mark Robinson is the co author on the hun.

[bobmurray]

Its says Mark Robinson is the co author on the hun.

Robbo probably creamed his dacks when he stumbled onto this story...

what a terrible occcupation these muck rakers have....

[Saint Bev]

Thank god this has been resolved in less than 24 hours.

Amen to that, once again the club have handled it well.

No more controversey PLEASE Saints.

[stinger]

Tim Watson on SEN said the girl is 17 & had sex with 2 different players at 2 different times at 2 different locations. She told the players she was 18 and worked at the AIS in Canberra (so that doesn't add up with the clinic story). She also says on her facebook page that she's 19.....

Messy, with lots of porky pies

As far as I can recall;

It is an offence to have consentual sex with a girl under the age of 16; and

It is an offence to have consentual sex with a virgin under the age of 18 if the male is over 21

It appears highly unlikely that any offence has been committed it this case

It appears highly likely that a couple of players are guilty of gross stipidity (dingers can be bought from any 7Eleven) !!

Surely that is correct.... Never heard that before - and proving it would be a whole different story.

That could get anyone into trouble - becasue Ive never heard anything remotely related to that in my entire life.



And when they details 'met' at a school clinic - They said she was one of 30 students who greeted the players as they arrived.

Numbers apparently were exchanged in Sydney.

eastern...where do you pple come up with crap like that ffs.....