Our new Forward Set up

[samoht]

Any suggestions ?/

I'd confidently bring in Heyne, Lynch and Stanley if all fit.. as.our forward line is pathetic at the moment.

Don't forget - We lost on the weekend to a team that had a few exciting younger players.

Trust the youngsters !

Kosi into the ruck...

so ..

Milne Goddard Armitage F line
Heyne Lynch Stanley H/F line

Stanley is being played in the wrong position at FF in the VFL - the guy needs space as he has pace to burn he needs to be played as a half forward.

The instructions would be keep the ball inside F 50 .. chase and tackle at all times and create turn overs.

[gringo]

I would just stick with a forward line of Milne and Schneider with Dawson and Kosi as talls. I think Mini looks like he needs to go back and build some confidence at sandy. Otherwise keep Schnides in the middle and bring Peake in as a Mini type defensive forward with license to kick for goal whenever he gets it. Carlton took chances and it paid off -it might be time our forwards took on the game a bit more.

The only other I could really see a place for is maybe a Tommy Walsh as a big full back replacement and start playing him and see how it goes.

The one thing I see as important is to stop mixing it up. We need a stable structure and to stop looking disorganised as we shift the team around to create another half arsed forward line.

[samoht]

gringo ..

I think there is a constant rotation of players through the forward line and no stable structure - as most of the current players we're trying aren't working.

We're not kicking enough goals or holding the ball inside the forward 50 - it's being rebound out too easily from spillages.

A few quick enthusiastic youngsters would have a better chance of at least keeping the ball in the forward 50 - and hopefully creating important turnovers.

Carlton did well with their youngsters - it may be time to trust in ours ?

[older saint]

What i would like to see

HF: Schnieder, Dawson, Goddard
F: Milne, Kosi, Dal Santo

Rotate Goddard and Ray as both good overhead, Rest a midfielder with class in the pocket, also breaks a tag a little.

Bring in Gaertner to play full back If McEvoy form not up to it use Kosi bk up ruck, if so perhaps pressure falls on McQualter and Clarke/Gwilt as both are better back than forward

[shmic_s]

What i would like to see

HF: Schnieder, Dawson, Goddard
F: Milne, Kosi, Dal Santo

Rotate Goddard and Ray as both good overhead, Rest a midfielder with class in the pocket, also breaks a tag a little.

Bring in Gaertner to play full back If McEvoy form not up to it use Kosi bk up ruck, if so perhaps pressure falls on McQualter and Clarke/Gwilt as both are better back than forward

I agree that Gwilt is much better playing in the backline. Strong body and can use his booming kick to get us out of trouble if required.
I would rather Raph on the HFF or wing. The odd turnover will not be as damaging and he wil be able to create goals. Once he gets his confidence up during a game he can become an amazing player. He is a player that takes risks. Can turn a game. But you dont want him on the last line of defence. IMO.

[samoht]

I'd sooner bring in the quick kids.

Dal Santo would be wasted as a permanent forward.

I'm prepared to "sacrifice" Goddard up forward as he has done well.

I reckon try something new - we tried the current players and it's not working.

Raph is not a forward... or half forward.

[SaintTom]

Wouldn't mind plonking Ray at the HFF for a few games, and not rotate him between there and the wing. His delivery into the forward line is great, which we would find the most use out of between the centre circle and forward fifty, and if he finds himself 40 out in a one on one contest I'd back him to take the grab a good percentage of the time, he's got a strong set of hands. A good player that could be unlocked even further if he spends more time around the HFF. He's almost a waste when he has the ball around the HBF, because he's still two kicks away from getting into our forward line, and unless he gets it to Goddard, he's probably our second best deliverer.

[WinnersOnly]

Any suggestions ?/

I'd confidently bring in Heyne, Lynch and Stanley if all fit.. as.our forward line is pathetic at the moment.

Don't forget - We lost on the weekend to a team that had a few exciting younger players.

Trust the youngsters !

Kosi into the ruck...

so ..

Milne Goddard Armitage F line
Heyne Lynch Stanley H/F line

It is time for Kosi to go to the ruck changing forward pocket with Gardiner or McEVOY. I dont know how fit Lynch is but when he is put him in and give him game time.

Goddard doesn't get near the ball at the centre bounces - he accumulates around the ground. Rotate him through full forward as required with Farren RAY who is also a good over head mark and good on a lead. They woudl also bring some much needed mobility to the line when the ball hits the ground, as Kosi is useless when this occurs.

[samoht]

saint tom ..

Ray is at least someone new ... I agree worth a try on the hff if we can afford to move him forward... and he is a good mark as you say.

[noob]

jarryd allen would be so important right now if wasn't for the injury

[st_Trav_ofWA]

jarryd allen would be so important right now if wasn't for the injury

i reckon Roo is more important if it wasn for the injury !!!

heck G Train would be handy now

[35...LEGEND]

Posted this in another thread re:Team and forward set up etc.

One comment was having Zac and Kos in the same forward line prob wouldn't work when we needed forward pressure applied.

So maybe Stanley or Heyne in for Zac although i was thinking Zac to be the hit up forward.

Team

Out King...Steven ,Geary

In McEvoy...Peake...Armo.

IMO Fish and Gilb are a must down back,along with Bakes..............Blakey,Jimmy and Fish to sort out match ups.

Schnadzo to HBF , nice kick ,break over zones,kicks to adv etc,ala Guerra type roll.

Plenty of drive off HB and through the middle with Bj,Grammy,Joey,Schnadz,Dal,Lenny,Gilb and Fish........if there ain't enough talent and smarts to get the ball forward from this lot,well,I give up.

CJ,BJ, Dal,Len,Ray,McQ,Armo and Monty all going through the middle at times..........mix it up a bit.

think zac should go forward for a while,has shown signs of knowing how to be lead up forward....and lay some havy tackles young fella,like last year.

Farren Ray Ray forward also....can take a good grab for his size,stay as deep as possible,cruise the forward 30-35,side to side,up and back...supposed to have the engine to do it. We are not taking enough grabs in F50,hopefully he can help here.

RayRay and BJ to alternate between Centre and FP a couple times a qtr.
Ray forward most of time though.

McQ,must play......run around,create another option around HF,defensive pressure.

Peake...get the ball at 70,run for 10-15,hit the leading forward or go for home.................forward pressure also..

Kos,Big Mac and Gardi to rotate through FF and Bench.

Need atleast 1 maybe 2 forwards to stay at home or as close to home(50 M area) as they can to provide options coming forward.

LOL,sounds easy aye........

Blake.....Gwilt...... Baker

Gilbert....Fisher.....Schneider

Gram.....Goddard....Joey

Peake..... Zac....... McQ

Milne...... Kos...... RayRay

Rucks
Gardiner......Dal......Lendog

Int...C.J...McEvoy...Armo....Raph (forward ,Back or Wing)

Prob missed someone

[saintsRrising]

Any suggestions ?/

I'd confidently bring in Heyne, Lynch and Stanley if all fit.. as.our forward line is pathetic at the moment.


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Lynch?

Has hardly played this year do to injury.

Biggest problems on the weekend were:
* lack of team effort and workrate by 75% of the players
* midfield got pumped
* defence could not counter the quick 3 Amigos.

After all of those our forwards did not make the most of their opportunities and all players (ie Geary for example) butchered their shots on goal.


FIXES

1/ Most important is that Lyon has to re-engage the committment from the players. Kick up bumn, whisper sweet nothings etc etc.

2 Armo should return to share the in and under work with Lenny. Too much to expect Lenny to do it by himself.

3/ Play TWO marking targets in the forward line and not just Kosi. He is an ok No 2 Banana, but a poor No 1 forward.

S as part of this consider Stanley and/or Heyne..but Lynch would not likely be fit enough.

Play BJ 50% of his time forward.

Consider either Gilbert or Zac as key forwards too.

4/ King is evidently injured.While this may hurt us in the tap-outs it will assist around the ground. Consider Ben and Stanley (Patto will be suspended I believe). If Stanley comes in then Kosi can relieve Gardi while Stanley fills in at FF.

5/ Support your team by turning up on Sunday and screaming your lungs out.

[rodgerfox]

I think the issue is that our forwards don't get the chance to setup.

They're having to help out our dodgy defence too often so when we do need to go forward there is no structure at all.

I don't think the apparent 'Pagan's Paddock' type tactic is actually being done on purpose. I think it's happening by accident.

We're not getting our hands on the nut, we're not hitting targets when we do and we're getting beaten in clearances and contests.

This has happened in the past also at times - but we've had Roo as 'the getout kick' and his freak running ability to actually get back in time to give an option.

[plugger66]

I think the issue is that our forwards don't get the chance to setup.

They're having to help out our dodgy defence too often so when we do need to go forward there is no structure at all.

I don't think the apparent 'Pagan's Paddock' type tactic is actually being done on purpose. I think it's happening by accident.

We're not getting our hands on the nut, we're not hitting targets when we do and we're getting beaten in clearances and contests.

This has happened in the past also at times - but we've had Roo as 'the getout kick' and his freak running ability to actually get back in time to give an option.

Still can see faults but no answers how you may fix them. I actually thought you may have known a bit about footy but obviously I was wrong.

[widereceiver]

While you guys are busily changing our structure, a fair pursuit after Monday night, I should let you know Farren Ray is a very erratic kick. I'm not knocking him, he's been a good acquisition for us, much to the chagrin of my Doggies mates. (I love it when other teams supporters say "He never did that when he was with us!")

Even if our mids improve this week and actually deliver the ball into the forward line with some system, it's better to have someone who can kick straight for goal. On recent evidence that rules out Montagna, Lenny, Mini, Gears and Ray. Who's left? Armo's a fairly straight kick and Steven did get two the other night, but unlikely to keep his spot IMO.

[SaintTom]

While you guys are busily changing our structure, a fair pursuit after Monday night, I should let you know Farren Ray is a very erratic kick. I'm not knocking him, he's been a good acquisition for us, much to the chagrin of my Doggies mates. (I love it when other teams supporters say "He never did that when he was with us!")

Even if our mids improve this week and actually deliver the ball into the forward line with some system, it's better to have someone who can kick straight for goal. On recent evidence that rules out Montagna, Lenny, Mini, Gears and Ray. Who's left? Armo's a fairly straight kick and Steven did get two the other night, but unlikely to keep his spot IMO.

Dal is generally a good kick at goal. But too valuable further up the ground, and doesn't have the hands of Ray. Ray to HFF also isn't too much of a mix up of structure, but I'd say Goddard is our most accurate kick, and our longest (maybe tie him with Gram for length). I've said before, need to get the ball to Gram at the attacking end of the centre square and get him to have a few shots from 50-55. That could be damaging. Otherwise, maybe try Peake and tell him to back himself into goal on the run?

[groupie1]

Posted this in another thread re:Team and forward set up etc.

One comment was having Zac and Kos in the same forward line prob wouldn't work when we needed forward pressure applied.

So maybe Stanley or Heyne in for Zac although i was thinking Zac to be the hit up forward.

Team

Out King...Steven ,Geary

In McEvoy...Peake...Armo.

IMO Fish and Gilb are a must down back,along with Bakes..............Blakey,Jimmy and Fish to sort out match ups.

Schnadzo to HBF , nice kick ,break over zones,kicks to adv etc,ala Guerra type roll.

Plenty of drive off HB and through the middle with Bj,Grammy,Joey,Schnadz,Dal,Lenny,Gilb and Fish........if there ain't enough talent and smarts to get the ball forward from this lot,well,I give up.

CJ,BJ, Dal,Len,Ray,McQ,Armo and Monty all going through the middle at times..........mix it up a bit.

think zac should go forward for a while,has shown signs of knowing how to be lead up forward....and lay some havy tackles young fella,like last year.

Farren Ray Ray forward also....can take a good grab for his size,stay as deep as possible,cruise the forward 30-35,side to side,up and back...supposed to have the engine to do it. We are not taking enough grabs in F50,hopefully he can help here.

RayRay and BJ to alternate between Centre and FP a couple times a qtr.
Ray forward most of time though.

McQ,must play......run around,create another option around HF,defensive pressure.

Peake...get the ball at 70,run for 10-15,hit the leading forward or go for home.................forward pressure also..

Kos,Big Mac and Gardi to rotate through FF and Bench.

Need atleast 1 maybe 2 forwards to stay at home or as close to home(50 M area) as they can to provide options coming forward.

LOL,sounds easy aye........

Blake.....Gwilt...... Baker

Gilbert....Fisher.....Schneider

Gram.....Goddard....Joey

Peake..... Zac....... McQ

Milne...... Kos...... RayRay

Rucks
Gardiner......Dal......Lendog

Int...C.J...McEvoy...Armo....Raph (forward ,Back or Wing)

Prob missed someone

Mate, I take the basic point of your post is play Ray in the Roo position, and play like Roo plays - move around, create a leading target. Just do what Roo does.
Great idea, well worth a try.

good thinking

[gringo]

i think Ray is too important as a link out of defense. we looked terrible when gram was missing and his fumbles on monday didn't help the cause. Ray is the only other player that can get us that run and carry from defense. We need gilbert and Fisher to stay closer to their position. Armo needs to be in the middle to help out Lenny and we need to basically just stick to a plan that even if it doesn't get immediate results, it builds a structure that every one in the team knows. Well that how I see it anyway.

[groupie1]

I agree Ray is an important link out of defense; but surely others can fill the breach: R Clarke, Jess Smith if he comes good, I actually reckon Shneids might be well suited, as he sure as s*** can miss goals, but field passing resonably good.

[TheSaint]

Two key forwards is a key.

We cant just bomb it in on Kosi's head and expect him to take a grab with players in the hole coming back into his space... he is down on confidence, lets give the bloke a hand up there!

Would love to see Stanley bought into the team to play CHF. He is mobile/quick enough and would add a bit in the air. He showed in the nab cup that he can play the lead up role so I would like to see the setup built around Kosi at FF and Stanley at CHF.

Something like this:

CHF: Schneider, Stanley, Dal Santo
F: Gwilt, Kosi, Milne

Id Bring both McEvoy and Stanely in. McEvoy & Gardiner to ruck. Stanley/Kosi as permanent key forwards. Maybe need McQualter up there for defensive pressure.... We need to get the structure right.

[shmic_s]

Two key forwards is a key.

We cant just bomb it in on Kosi's head and expect him to take a grab with players in the hole coming back into his space... he is down on confidence, lets give the bloke a hand up there!

Would love to see Stanley bought into the team to play CHF. He is mobile/quick enough and would add a bit in the air. He showed in the nab cup that he can play the lead up role so I would like to see the setup built around Kosi at FF and Stanley at CHF.

Something like this:

CHF: Schneider, Stanley, Dal Santo
F: Gwilt, Kosi, Milne

Id Bring both McEvoy and Stanely in. McEvoy & Gardiner to ruck. Stanley/Kosi as permanent key forwards. Maybe need McQualter up there for defensive pressure.... We need to get the structure right.

I agree that we need the second tall target. We can't keep expecting Kosi to beat 3 defenders every time. Stanley would seem the best fit.
Personally I wouldn't have Gwilt in the forward line. He has seemed to have found his spot in defence. Uses his body well, is a good size and has that long accurate kick that can be used to jump the lines.

[Gardiner_#1_fan]

kosi to ruck and put macvoy to full forward

[rexy]

Our new forward structure will not be to play 3 debutants all in the forward line together?

It will also not be to play two of our best midfielders as permenant forwards?

We may make one change/inclusion to our forward set up this week.

RF is right, most of our emphasis this week will be placed on preassure, tackling, clearances, ball movement from defense and forward entries. Until we can get these right we have no idea how our forward line functions IMO.

Looked alright against Freo when we moved the ball well through the midfield and had time and space when putting the thing into the 50.

Best option would be for enough mids to stand up so that BJ can play 50% game time at least as a forward. If Dal gets a hard tag then we could try him as a forward but BJ must then go back in the middle, our two best users IMO.

[Finna]

I would just stick with a forward line of Milne and Schneider with Dawson and Kosi as talls. I think Mini looks like he needs to go back and build some confidence at sandy. Otherwise keep Schnides in the middle and bring Peake in as a Mini type defensive forward with license to kick for goal whenever he gets it. Carlton took chances and it paid off -it might be time our forwards took on the game a bit more.

The only other I could really see a place for is maybe a Tommy Walsh as a big full back replacement and start playing him and see how it goes.

The one thing I see as important is to stop mixing it up. We need a stable structure and to stop looking disorganised as we shift the team around to create another half arsed forward line.

Is it just me or am I missing something about Mini. I reckon he's been alright this year. Definitely no our worst. Everyone seems to think he needs to go back to Sandi.

I just dont get it