Saints travelling worse than Richmond?

[SydneySainter]

Since Roo's injury, Saints are 16th for marks inside 50 and forward 50 entries that lead to conversions.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 5865275325

[kosifantutti23]

Since Roo's injury, we have beaten Collingwood Freo and Footscray.

Who have Richmond beaten?

[thejiggingsaint]

...or is this post here for some "light relief"

[uncle joe]

St.Kilda will finish in the top 4 . Richmond won't win a game .

[bigred]

/gasp

[SaintTom]

Obviously we're going better than Richmond, but I do see that as some cause for concern. Richmond has had more goals from marks inside 50 in the last three rounds. How is that? Richmond (no offense to them) are a sad team to watch. We might have won since these damning stats, but we're lucky to be 1 from 3 from round 5. We're sitting okay at the moment, but unless we improve a stat like that, then I think we can expect to lose more games.

[bigcarl]

Since Roo's injury, Saints are 16th for marks inside 50 and forward 50 entries that lead to conversions.

interesting stats for those who say the forward line isn't a problem. we have the least efficient forward line in the competition.

there's a bit of head-in-the-sand stuff going on. wake up and smell the coffee.

[SainterK]

Since Roo's injury, Saints are 16th for marks inside 50 and forward 50 entries that lead to conversions.

interesting stats for those who say the forward line isn't a problem.

I could be wrong, but I think you might be trying to tell us something bigcarl?

[bigcarl]

Since Roo's injury, Saints are 16th for marks inside 50 and forward 50 entries that lead to conversions.

interesting stats for those who say the forward line isn't a problem.

I could be wrong, but I think you might be trying to tell us something bigcarl?

i hope the message is getting through

[GrumpyOne]

Richmond (no offense to them)

There's no defence to them either.

[samoht]

Our forward line is clearly underperforming... not contributing enough goals and also aren't preventing the rebounds.

We need to try some quick kids in there... that's my new campaign

[GrumpyOne]

Our forward line is clearly underperforming... not contributing enough goals and also aren't preventing the rebounds.

We need to try some quick kids in there... that's my new campaign

Go for it, Grant.

[samoht]

Our forward line is clearly underperforming... not contributing enough goals and also aren't preventing the rebounds.

We need to try some quick kids in there... that's my new campaign

Go for it, Grant.

oops

[na exa]

my old mans a tuggers supporter , he'd be giving the premise of this thread a big FAIL.



you can lock that one in.

[overitalready]

wow look at all these armchair experts !! probably never played a game of footy in their lives !!

[Con Gorozidis]

Obviously we're going better than Richmond, but I do see that as some cause for concern. Richmond has had more goals from marks inside 50 in the last three rounds. How is that? Richmond (no offense to them) are a sad team to watch. We might have won since these damning stats, but we're lucky to be 1 from 3 from round 5. We're sitting okay at the moment, but unless we improve a stat like that, then I think we can expect to lose more games.

Agree with SaintTom. Ok we have scrambled through and had some great gutsy wins. But im not sure this is sustainable. I mean if u arent getting it in 50 and marking it in there you are going to find youself in trouble somewhere along the journey.... We certainly need to improve this stat or we will start losing games.

[Mr Magic]

. We might have won since these damning stats, but we're lucky to be 1 from 3 from round 5. .

Depends on your perspective.

I thought we were unlucky to lose the Port Adelaide game, so I prefer to say
we're unlucky to be only 1 from 3 - should be 2 from 3.

And as for the statistic of how few marks we've taken, could it not be as simple as since Roo is no longer there, the opposition can play man on man against whatever marking options we have left and our mids/defenders won't kick to a one on one contest?

When Roo was up and about it made it easier for our other forwards to get free/loose because of the opposition's intent on covering him?

His loss is not just measured by his own stats but what his presence does to teh psyche/gameplan of the opposition.

[saintspremiers]

St.Kilda will finish in the top 4 . Richmond won't win a game .

Rubbish, Richmond most likely will win one or two games....how many teams have gone 0 and 22 for a season? Bugger all!

We may finish fourth.....next 4 softer weeks will set the story of our season IMO.

[samoht]

Whilst we're obviously a much better side than Richmond overall ... I'm beginning to think that if we swapped our forward line with Richmond's forward line we'd be no worse off.

If we don't inject some speed in the forward line .. some fast youngsters (say Heyne and Stanley) we will not improve - or arrest the current decline.

We need more forward pressure , to create more turnovers and to keep the ball in our F50 and reduce the rebounds out...

speed is of the essence.(thanks for the images matrix)

[matrix]

[Saintsfan]

Anybody can twist statistics to best suit.

Technically we have one just 1 out of our last 3

or 2 out of our last 4

or 3 out of our last 5

4 out of our last 6 or hell

we have only won 5 out of our last 7

[samoht]

Anybody can twist statistics to best suit.

Technically we have one just 1 out of our last 3

or 2 out of our last 4

or 3 out of our last 5

4 out of our last 6 or hell

we have only won 5 out of our last 7

How about our forward 50 efficiency statistics and the number of easy rebounds out of our forward 50 from spillages/loose balls .. what do they hide (or reveal) ?

[Saintsfan]

Anybody can twist statistics to best suit.

Technically we have one just 1 out of our last 3

or 2 out of our last 4

or 3 out of our last 5

4 out of our last 6 or hell

we have only won 5 out of our last 7

How about our forward 50 efficiency statistics and the number of easy rebounds out of our forward 50 from spillages/loose balls .. what do they hide (or reveal) ?

It says that we were able to completely shut down the Dogs and beat them regardless of how poorly we played. Almost as if we were more dangerous without the ball than with (the defensive zone and pressure created vs our poor footskills over the past couple of weeks)

[samoht]

Anybody can twist statistics to best suit.

Technically we have one just 1 out of our last 3

or 2 out of our last 4

or 3 out of our last 5

4 out of our last 6 or hell

we have only won 5 out of our last 7

How about our forward 50 efficiency statistics and the number of easy rebounds out of our forward 50 from spillages/loose balls .. what do they hide (or reveal) ?

It says that we were able to completely shut down the Dogs and beat them regardless of how poorly we played. Almost as if we were more dangerous without the ball than with (the defensive zone and pressure created vs our poor footskills over the past couple of weeks)

It could also reveal the Bulldogs were even more inefficient than us - they kept kicking the ball across the ground.
But Harbrow got 36 possessions in his backline .. from loose balls and the fact our forward line was too slow.
And how many goals did our forward line kick ?

Our forward line is our weak link ..

[bigcarl]

from another thread, but equally applicable here.

Since losing skipper Nick Riewoldt to a hamstring injury, the Saints are averaging only 5.8 marks a game inside the forward 50m.

That is 16th in the AFL - and just below the winless Tigers.

In the same four-match period, Geelong averages 20 inside-50 marks a game. Collingwood is tracking at 16.

You won't win many games if you're not marking it inside the arc. It's a footy basic.

With Riewoldt's input in the first three rounds, St Kilda was turning 33.8 per cent of all forward-50 entries into goals - No. 1 in the AFL.

Without Riewoldt, St Kilda has converted forward entries only 21.1 per cent of the time - No. 16 in the AFL.

A team of St Kilda's quality may be able to conjure and scrounge enough snap goals to get over the line against some opponents, but winning regularly is unsustainable if you can't take more than six marks a match within scoring range.

i thought we were on the right track against fremantle. goddard presenting as a forward for a considerable period of the match. taking riewoldt's place. quality for quality. maintaining the structure that worked so well most of last year.

but we seem to have discarded it.

KOSI INSIDE THE ARC ISN'T WORKING, so i reckon at the very least it is goddard to ff and kosi to chf.

goddard is one of those players who is very difficult to beat one out. he can get you in the air and on the ground. plus he has a natural goal sense. so give him some space and get him one out.

i'd go further and put kosi in the ruck, using gilbert or blake at chf. i expect ross to stick with him at ff, but for how long i do not know. that's his call, he's the coach.

kosi tried his guts out last week, but i agree with sRr that he isn't good enough as a forward to be the No. 1 target. however he provides more than king and gardiner around the ground as a ruckman.

the other question i would ask of you is can we afford NOT to replace someone of the calibre of riewoldt with someone who is also elite in goddard