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There's more to coaching than putting a game plan out there.35...LEGEND wrote:
What i know is,Lyon had a beautifully drilled team on the park that day.
Some players choked in front of the big sticks,kept the Cat's in with a sniff,and the rest is history.
Should have been over by 3q time.
The players blew it..not Ross and not the game plan.
Eerily similar to the Dog's game last week,only it was us who pounced late.
Ross had the chance and Ross blew it.........you know that.rodgerfox wrote:There's more to coaching than putting a game plan out there.35...LEGEND wrote:
What i know is,Lyon had a beautifully drilled team on the park that day.
Some players choked in front of the big sticks,kept the Cat's in with a sniff,and the rest is history.
Should have been over by 3q time.
The players blew it..not Ross and not the game plan.
Eerily similar to the Dog's game last week,only it was us who pounced late.
Getting players' heads right is the coaches biggest and most important job.
Agree with you to a certain extent...rodgerfox wrote:There's more to coaching than putting a game plan out there.35...LEGEND wrote:
What i know is,Lyon had a beautifully drilled team on the park that day.
Some players choked in front of the big sticks,kept the Cat's in with a sniff,and the rest is history.
Should have been over by 3q time.
The players blew it..not Ross and not the game plan.
Eerily similar to the Dog's game last week,only it was us who pounced late.
Getting players' heads right is the coaches biggest and most important job.
Good question.SainterK wrote:
However how do you prepare a players head for a GF type atmosphere, how do you teach someone to instinctively show composure in that kind of high intensity situation?
Well Mark Thompson had a similar problem in 2008 and that was with a team that was the best in the comp and which had already released the pressure valve 12 months earlier with a drought breaking flag.saintsRrising wrote:Good question.SainterK wrote:
However how do you prepare a players head for a GF type atmosphere, how do you teach someone to instinctively show composure in that kind of high intensity situation?
However Schneider had played in two previous GF's. He still missed very gettable goals.
BORING.......rodgerfox wrote:There's more to coaching than putting a game plan out there.35...LEGEND wrote:
What i know is,Lyon had a beautifully drilled team on the park that day.
Some players choked in front of the big sticks,kept the Cat's in with a sniff,and the rest is history.
Should have been over by 3q time.
The players blew it..not Ross and not the game plan.
Eerily similar to the Dog's game last week,only it was us who pounced late.
Getting players' heads right is the coaches biggest and most important job.
And MB on the bolded part. Yes as I have posted all along GT's match day coaching after "Bonnie Doon" improved for the better. Prior to Bonnie Doon GT had his head in the sand on flooding. Post Bonnie Doon gameplan changed and as I have posted in the past his match day coaching was actually quite good.meher baba wrote:
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sRr, thank you for your acknowledgment that the game plan has changed between 2007 and 2009.
Indeed, the evolution has had a longer time frame, because the flooding and retreating actually started in 2006 under GT and Bundy.
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I'm not suggesting that at all. There were some glaring errors from the coaches box leading up to, and during the GF. But it's not the reason we lost the GF.meher baba wrote:rf, you would be arguing a good game if you'd stop trying to suggest that our 2009 GF loss was due to poor coaching. You are the only person on the face of the earth who believes this.
I actually thought we lost the GF by 12 points but after after reading all reasons I must have been dreaming. What was the final margin? 60 points or more?rodgerfox wrote:I'm not suggesting that at all. There were some glaring errors from the coaches box leading up to, and during the GF. But it's not the reason we lost the GF.meher baba wrote:rf, you would be arguing a good game if you'd stop trying to suggest that our 2009 GF loss was due to poor coaching. You are the only person on the face of the earth who believes this.
Selection was a reason.
Tactical decisions late in the game were a reason.
Mentally fragile players, that we already knew were mentally fragile on the big stage, failed to deliver.
We missed goals.
Bad umpiring.
Injuries were a reason.
Raph's pace being exploited by Byrnes in the last quarter was a reason, with no response from us.
And bad luck was a reason.
Fact is, as stated on here, if "Ross Lyon got us to a GF", then surely he is just as responsible for what happened in the GF.
Or does the coach get credit for "getting us to a GF" when we win (and not the players), but if we lose the players wear the blame?
Some perspective would be nice, that's all.
We blew it big time. It took all of that (and most of it was within our own control) for us to lose that game.plugger66 wrote:I actually thought we lost the GF by 12 points but after after reading all reasons I must have been dreaming. What was the final margin? 60 points or more?rodgerfox wrote:I'm not suggesting that at all. There were some glaring errors from the coaches box leading up to, and during the GF. But it's not the reason we lost the GF.meher baba wrote:rf, you would be arguing a good game if you'd stop trying to suggest that our 2009 GF loss was due to poor coaching. You are the only person on the face of the earth who believes this.
Selection was a reason.
Tactical decisions late in the game were a reason.
Mentally fragile players, that we already knew were mentally fragile on the big stage, failed to deliver.
We missed goals.
Bad umpiring.
Injuries were a reason.
Raph's pace being exploited by Byrnes in the last quarter was a reason, with no response from us.
And bad luck was a reason.
Fact is, as stated on here, if "Ross Lyon got us to a GF", then surely he is just as responsible for what happened in the GF.
Or does the coach get credit for "getting us to a GF" when we win (and not the players), but if we lose the players wear the blame?
Some perspective would be nice, that's all.
Unlosable. Against one of the best sides for years.rodgerfox wrote:We blew it big time. It took all of that (and most of it was within our own control) for us to lose that game.plugger66 wrote:I actually thought we lost the GF by 12 points but after after reading all reasons I must have been dreaming. What was the final margin? 60 points or more?rodgerfox wrote:I'm not suggesting that at all. There were some glaring errors from the coaches box leading up to, and during the GF. But it's not the reason we lost the GF.meher baba wrote:rf, you would be arguing a good game if you'd stop trying to suggest that our 2009 GF loss was due to poor coaching. You are the only person on the face of the earth who believes this.
Selection was a reason.
Tactical decisions late in the game were a reason.
Mentally fragile players, that we already knew were mentally fragile on the big stage, failed to deliver.
We missed goals.
Bad umpiring.
Injuries were a reason.
Raph's pace being exploited by Byrnes in the last quarter was a reason, with no response from us.
And bad luck was a reason.
Fact is, as stated on here, if "Ross Lyon got us to a GF", then surely he is just as responsible for what happened in the GF.
Or does the coach get credit for "getting us to a GF" when we win (and not the players), but if we lose the players wear the blame?
Some perspective would be nice, that's all.
It was the unlosable flag - and we lost it.
What f***en frogshyt that is.plugger66 wrote:Unlosable. Against one of the best sides for years.rodgerfox wrote:We blew it big time. It took all of that (and most of it was within our own control) for us to lose that game.plugger66 wrote:I actually thought we lost the GF by 12 points but after after reading all reasons I must have been dreaming. What was the final margin? 60 points or more?rodgerfox wrote:I'm not suggesting that at all. There were some glaring errors from the coaches box leading up to, and during the GF. But it's not the reason we lost the GF.meher baba wrote:rf, you would be arguing a good game if you'd stop trying to suggest that our 2009 GF loss was due to poor coaching. You are the only person on the face of the earth who believes this.
Selection was a reason.
Tactical decisions late in the game were a reason.
Mentally fragile players, that we already knew were mentally fragile on the big stage, failed to deliver.
We missed goals.
Bad umpiring.
Injuries were a reason.
Raph's pace being exploited by Byrnes in the last quarter was a reason, with no response from us.
And bad luck was a reason.
Fact is, as stated on here, if "Ross Lyon got us to a GF", then surely he is just as responsible for what happened in the GF.
Or does the coach get credit for "getting us to a GF" when we win (and not the players), but if we lose the players wear the blame?
Some perspective would be nice, that's all.
It was the unlosable flag - and we lost it.
RF, in amongst the numerous comments you've made, you may have some reasonable points (not that I necessarily agree with them).rodgerfox wrote:But you reckon a team that won 1 flag, then lost 1, then should have lost another bar atrocious goal kicking by us - is one of the best sides for years??
Spare me.
