plugger66 wrote:degruch wrote:Sam23 wrote:WinnersOnly wrote:Sammy FISHER to CHF, GODDARD to FF.
FREMANTLE TO 25 GOALS
ST.KILDA TO 3-1
seriously.
+1. I'm still trying to figure out where this Goddard to FF fantasy comes from. No offense to Winners, its not the first time I'm seen this 'solution' proposed.
Goddard to FF has proven to be (a) robbing Peter to pay Paul on our backline structure, and (b) generally fruitless (as it was Friday night). BJ had one good cameo up forward once, he's not a KP forward and his drive out of defense is sorely missed.
Totally agree. You would think he is Plugger, Dunstall and Coleman rolled into one the way people say he could play FF on here. To me i havent seen much to suggest BJ would be any better than BJ if he played at FF.
Please get your hand off it. Who is suggesting that? Someone suggested he could kick 70 a season if played permanently forward and I for one agreed he could. Are you suggesting "Plugger, Dunstall and Coleman rolled into one" would only kick 70 goals in a season? Or have some here suggested he'd kick 140, that I'm not aware of?
He has clearly shown enough forward. He looks as natural playing forward as just about anyone in the comp. If you don't see that, you'd need to get your eyes checked. The way he leads (including where and when), his strength and nous one on one, his strong marking (including ability to take "hangers"), his crumbing ability when it hits the deck, etc are perfectly suited up forward.
What more does he need to do? I think it's maybe you guys who expect him to produce what "Plugger, Dunstall and Coleman rolled into one" would produce, in his VERY short stints forward, that is the problem.
How many goals do the most prolific (like Fev, Buddy) in the comp kick? Around 100 in 25 games, in a fantastic year. How many goals per quarter does that average out to? In case you're no good at maths, it's one. That's ONE goal per quarter. And they're fully settled into those positions and their teams are accustomed to them being there. Yet Goddard is usually only sent there for about 10 minutes at a time and you guys seem to expect him to kick 3 or 4 goals and take mark of the year in that time, or else he's "not a forward". On average, a 100 goal a year forward would only kick a goal in one in every three 10 minute periods, so what BJ has done in his very short stints forward is damn good. Especially considering our guys would mostly be kicking it to Roo, in those times. Many would also have thought I was crazy when I suggested Gehrig could kick 100 goals in a year, at full forward, when I suggested he could after he played a few games there (when we first switched him there from full back, at the end of whichever season it was), but I wasn't and I'm just as confident that Goddard would dominate forward.
"One good cameo up forward once". Rubbish. That was one awesome "cameo", where he kicked 5 goals in about 20 minutes (one mistakenly disallowed after he'd already kicked it) and was then sent back up to the middle, or back for the rest of the game. So for the time he was up there, he kicked the mathematical equivalent of a 16 or 20 goal game. I know it doesn't work that way, but how many guys in the comp are capable of that, in a 20 minute period? Or are there no "forwards" playing in the AFL? Then there was the game against Melbourne a few weeks later (on the Gold Coast) where he again played the first quarter at FF and took one fantastic mark and kicked 2 goals. Again he went back into the midfield or back, for the majority of the last 3. So, for the time he was there, he kicked double what a 100 goal a year forward would average in that time. About the only other time I remember him playing any meaningful time forward, since then, was the game two weeks ago, where he played forward for maybe 40% of the game. He kicked 4 goals for the game. How much more evidence (or guts) do you need? And from memory, those are about the only games where he's spent any remotely meaningful time forward. The rest of the time he's sent there for only a very short burst of a few minutes. And most of those times Roo is there, and our blokes would be kicking it to him.
Imagine how well he'd go if he actually got a chance to settle in there, like for a few games in a row? Then we'd see his true worth.
Having said that, I'm not necessarily suggesting we'd want him to be playing FF, as he'd then have the likes of Scarlett on him, but he needs to be in the general area, if we're to win this year's flag, unless Kosi comes back to life, IMO.
There's a chance Roo won't be back again this year, or that if he is he could easily re-injure it, or at worst, be below his best. Goddard is clearly our best hope up forward, besides Kosi, for the times we don't have Roo. No other option comes close to being as good as BJ would be up there. Gwilt has been tried there heaps (including in the first quarter on the weekend) and has shown little. Stanley is just a "pup" and would be up and down, more likely down and our other options are hardly worth thinking about.
We can cover BJ down back- Sam Fisher, Sam Gilbert, Gram, Gwilt (25+ possies in his past two games there), Raph and hopefully Jesse Smith (that's 6 of them) and Dal has been spending some time there and we can also cover him in the middle- Lenny Hayes, Dal Santo, Montagna, Gram, Ray, Jones and Armo makes 7 there.
Yet we need a forward line. The Bulldogs showed last year (and the year before) what happens when you don't and now they have Hall forward. If we're going to win the flag and Roo is out for a long time, we would benefit greatly with Goddard forward. The other areas can cope without him, I assure you. The forward line probably won't.
YOU GET WHAT YOU SETTLE FOR.
) it requires someone to do the hard running, contest the ball, create a target when the opposition does slow our ball movement - not a terribly difficult task.
Touche!
