Saints' Worst Nightmare

[GrumpyOne]

with regards to the OP - absolute tripe.

no matter the verdict on AL

but...just to you let know as i have posted earlier there is no way he will get off

Thanks Gus.

We can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing we have your reassurances.

[fingers]

On a slight threadjack - anyone see AL turn up to court today with a woman by his side? Why would you bother? Everything he is doing innocence, bullying, poor me blah blah, turning up with a woman - look how sensitive I am - FFS. You are a d**khead and whatever your lawyers are telling you just looks like the transparent thrashings of a moron.

/rant

/threadjack

[GrumpyOne]

Why do you think the club has been so careful to list breaches of contract relating to behavior, such as turning up to training drunk, being arrested for drunk and disorderly, missing training sessions etc, as the reasons for his suspension and sacking?

Because they know they are gambling, and want to maximise their chances of winnning.

In gambling parlance, you don't reckon we've got a fair hand?

Would've thought we did...

The Club's actions leave me to believe that they have far better than a fair hand, but they are gambling a lot.

My point is that sacking Lovett was a step too far that need not have been made at this point in time. No harm would have been done to exile him to Sandy to train and play. Given his apparent penchant for self-destruction, it wouldn't be long till we had multiple visible reasons to pull the plug on him.

That would have been the safer option. Sacking him now is just putting out a sign saying "Sue Me Now!".

[bob__71]

Why do you think the club has been so careful to list breaches of contract relating to behavior, such as turning up to training drunk, being arrested for drunk and disorderly, missing training sessions etc, as the reasons for his suspension and sacking?

Because they know they are gambling, and want to maximise their chances of winnning.

In gambling parlance, you don't reckon we've got a fair hand?

Would've thought we did...

The Club's actions leave me to believe that they have far better than a fair hand, but they are gambling a lot.

My point is that sacking Lovett was a step too far that need not have been made at this point in time. No harm would have been done to exile him to Sandy to train and play. Given his apparent penchant for self-destruction, it wouldn't be long till we had multiple visible reasons to pull the plug on him.

That would have been the safer option. Sacking him now is just putting out a sign saying "Sue Me Now!".

I am happy they got rid of him now....

Club didnt need him around with his poison any longer.

[plugger66]

Firstly he was sacked because a the rape charge. They can dress it up anyway they want but the charge is the real reason otherwise why wait until the day after the charge to sack him. Forgetting that we have used other excuses for the sacking which will help us in court if it ever gets that far.

My feeling is that both the club and the player will come to a settlement that will be good for both sides.

What I dont understand is the point of this thread. What has guilt or innocence got to do with it. Firstly the payout or what ever is decided is nearly certain to decided before the rape charge is heard and secondly not guilty has never meant innocent. For example if OJ was suing us for unfair dismissal how far would that get.

[degruch]

On a slight threadjack - anyone see AL turn up to court today with a woman by his side?

Sam Lane?

[fingers]

On a slight threadjack - anyone see AL turn up to court today with a woman by his side?

Sam Lane?

LOL no....

[Lennon]

Why do you think the club has been so careful to list breaches of contract relating to behavior, such as turning up to training drunk, being arrested for drunk and disorderly, missing training sessions etc, as the reasons for his suspension and sacking?

Because they know they are gambling, and want to maximise their chances of winnning.

You realise he is going for wrongful dismissal, not unfair dismissal?

Basically all he can contest is that his breaches of contract were not "gross and serious" enough to warrant his sacking - he cannot contest that there were no breaches, or he would be going for unfair dismissal.

We may end up paying him 50% of the 900k on his contract.

As for Lyon falling on his sword and players being moved on for, what was it? Leading a revolt against him? FFS.

[Lennon]

Firstly he was sacked because a the rape charge. They can dress it up anyway they want but the charge is the real reason otherwise why wait until the day after the charge to sack him. Forgetting that we have used other excuses for the sacking which will help us in court if it ever gets that far.

Yes, Plugger, everybody knows that.

[plugger66]

Firstly he was sacked because a the rape charge. They can dress it up anyway they want but the charge is the real reason otherwise why wait until the day after the charge to sack him. Forgetting that we have used other excuses for the sacking which will help us in court if it ever gets that far.

Yes, Plugger, everybody knows that.

Well I would hope so otherwise they also believe in the tooth fairy. By the way why did they sack him a day after the charge. Co-incidence? The Saints are covering their arse and rightly so.

[Milan Faletic]

Will not be Rooey doing a knee in the pre-season...... It'll be that the charges against Lovett will be dropped.

Will cost us $2M, cause the resignation of the coach and half the board, place the future of a couple of players in doubt, and with the resultant financial burden and morale devastation, drop us to the bottom of the ladder.

The Board have really gambled big time on the decision to sack him. We could have retained him on the list, and allowed him to train and play at Sandy.

Now we have torn up his contract, we have lost the only control we had over what he had to say. We could have used his depression to put him on the long-term injury list and replaced him as a player with a rookie upgrade. Now we are one player short on the list and facing possible financial ruin. I don't want to be in the position of having to chuck a buck to meet Lovetts payout.

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

Complete balls-up by the club.

Good job GO. Got a new thread going. You really are the Master Baiter

[saintsRrising]

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

.

????????????????

Probably the silliest part of a silly OP.


Ignoring the rape charge...Lovett still has many other non-performance issues.

With respect to the rape charge. A civil court can find otherwise even if Lovett is not convicted. I doubt very much that Lovett would be silly enough to want it brought up in a Civil Court...though his lawyers are probably greedy enough to try..

Hindsight says that perhaps Lovett should not have been recruited..but you have to deal with the present and in that the club seems to be on the right track.

The ball bounces tonight..and after that Lovett will not be much of a focus.

[barks4eva]

Will not be Rooey doing a knee in the pre-season...... It'll be that the charges against Lovett will be dropped.

Will cost us $2M, cause the resignation of the coach and half the board, place the future of a couple of players in doubt, and with the resultant financial burden and morale devastation, drop us to the bottom of the ladder.

The Board have really gambled big time on the decision to sack him. We could have retained him on the list, and allowed him to train and play at Sandy.

Now we have torn up his contract, we have lost the only control we had over what he had to say. We could have used his depression to put him on the long-term injury list and replaced him as a player with a rookie upgrade. Now we are one player short on the list and facing possible financial ruin. I don't want to be in the position of having to chuck a buck to meet Lovetts payout.

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

Complete balls-up by the club.

FAIR DINKUM, what an absolutely clueless, laterally challenged and nonsensical load of absolute garbage!

Gumpy, I suggest you stop experimenting with your pharmaceuticals!


GET REAL!

[Lennon]

Firstly he was sacked because a the rape charge. They can dress it up anyway they want but the charge is the real reason otherwise why wait until the day after the charge to sack him. Forgetting that we have used other excuses for the sacking which will help us in court if it ever gets that far.

Yes, Plugger, everybody knows that.

Well I would hope so otherwise they also believe in the tooth fairy. By the way why did they sack him a day after the charge. Co-incidence? The Saints are covering their arse and rightly so.

Again, Plugger, everybody knows that.

The point I was making in my earlier post was that as the rape charge has not been given by the club as the official reason for the sacking, Lovett cannot sue us for unfair dismissal if he is found not guilty.

The best he can hope for is wrongful dismissal with regards to his behavioral breaches of contract - missing training, being arrested, etc.

[Lennon]

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

I missed that, upon first glance.

That is incredible.

I think perhaps I won't participate further in this thread. I may get myself a suspension for abuse.

[barks4eva]

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

The thing that needs to be examined is your medicine cabinet!

Stop improvising with those pharmaceuticals, they come with instructions and prescribed dosages!

[SydneySainter]

Will not be Rooey doing a knee in the pre-season...... It'll be that the charges against Lovett will be dropped.

Will cost us $2M, cause the resignation of the coach and half the board, place the future of a couple of players in doubt, and with the resultant financial burden and morale devastation, drop us to the bottom of the ladder.

The Board have really gambled big time on the decision to sack him. We could have retained him on the list, and allowed him to train and play at Sandy.

Now we have torn up his contract, we have lost the only control we had over what he had to say. We could have used his depression to put him on the long-term injury list and replaced him as a player with a rookie upgrade. Now we are one player short on the list and facing possible financial ruin. I don't want to be in the position of having to chuck a buck to meet Lovetts payout.

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

Complete balls-up by the club.

Everyone knew that this wouldn't just be the end of it. Lovett's team were always going to fight fire with fire. The decision to recruit Lovett aside, the club officials aren't idiots and wouldn't have done this unless they considered all potential legal back-lash. They obviously believe they have their legal bases covered.

[Pwoit]

Cue Matrix and his Popcorn..........

[GrumpyOne]

Will not be Rooey doing a knee in the pre-season...... It'll be that the charges against Lovett will be dropped.

Will cost us $2M, cause the resignation of the coach and half the board, place the future of a couple of players in doubt, and with the resultant financial burden and morale devastation, drop us to the bottom of the ladder.

The Board have really gambled big time on the decision to sack him. We could have retained him on the list, and allowed him to train and play at Sandy.

Now we have torn up his contract, we have lost the only control we had over what he had to say. We could have used his depression to put him on the long-term injury list and replaced him as a player with a rookie upgrade. Now we are one player short on the list and facing possible financial ruin. I don't want to be in the position of having to chuck a buck to meet Lovetts payout.

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

Complete balls-up by the club.

FAIR DINKUM, what an absolutely clueless, laterally challenged and nonsensical load of absolute garbage!

Gumpy, I suggest you stop experimenting with your pharmaceuticals!


GET REAL!

Hi B4,

I realise that this issue probably pales into insignificance in your view when compared to GT farting at thunder and Rix as the Next Great Ruck Hope, but we should all realise what is at stake here.

The Board are punting, probably with a huge great knowledge bank at their disposal, but punting all the same.

I sincerely hope they are right..... I've already "Chucked A Buck" to save the Saints,...... don't want to do it again.

Do you expect the Board to be 100% right in their decisions all the time? Or is there a niggling doubt alone in your brain that says maybe they have gone too far with this one?

[Con Gorozidis]

i just want to know where the 2 mil comes from and what rooey has got to do with the price of fresh prawns in belize?

[bigred]

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

I missed that, upon first glance.

That is incredible.

I think perhaps I won't participate further in this thread. I may get myself a suspension for abuse.

Moronic thread is moronic.

[Bernard Shakey]

Biggest load of rubbish I've ever read on this site, and that's saying something.

$2,000,000.00 indeed, tell him he's dreaming. He's already got $120,000.00 odd, he'll be lucky to double that.

[GrumpyOne]

The role of Rooey in this debacle needs to be examined.

.

????????????????

Probably the silliest part of a silly OP.

Really?

Is he the player who refused to take the field if AL was on it?

Which other player would have the influence to put that ultimatum to the Board?

[degruch]

i just want to know where the 2 mil comes from and what rooey has got to do with the price of fresh prawns in belize?

2mil was the balance of his contract, plus performance and B&F ( ) bonus over the 3 year period...it's a total crock.

[matrix]

for you Pwoit