Lovett's side: Alex McDonald (manager), AFLPA

chook23 · Post: # 882088Post **chook23** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 6:43pm

just caught the end of it................

comments from those who heard it all

Some one is possibly telling porkies re the process between club and lovett re issues

Any comments?

evertonfc · Post: # 882093Post **evertonfc** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 6:52pm

[quote="AFLPA"]AFLPA statement on Andrew Lovett

The AFL Playersâ€™ Association (AFLPA) is extremely disappointed at this afternoonâ€™s announcement by the St Kilda Football Club of its decision to summarily terminate the employment of Andrew Lovett.

AFLPA CEO Matthew Finnis said that the grievance procedure which has been progressing for a number of weeks between Andrew Lovett and the St Kilda Football Club should have been permitted to run its full course.

â€œThe AFL and AFLPA have agreed to a grievance resolution procedure which seeks to resolve disputes between players and Clubs in good faith,â€

quidnunc · Post: # 882102Post **quidnunc** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:01pm

I could say lots ............. but better to say 0 !

plugger66 · Post: # 882104Post **plugger66** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:03pm

The AFLPA must be in a real dilemma. Obviously they must stick up for Lovett but just as obviously the Saints players didnt want AL at the club. They are really in a no win situation.

st_Trav_ofWA · Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:08pm

its a rare occasion but i agree with you Plugger66 the AFLPA are in a no win situation with this one .. either way they are going to cause a rift with thier members either Lovett for doing nothing or the rest of the St Kilda (and even other clubs aswell) for fighting it ...

bigred · Post: # 882110Post **bigred** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:09pm

They have to defend the player. That is what they are there for.

plugger66 · Post: # 882111Post **plugger66** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:09pm

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:its a rare occasion but i agree with you Plugger66 the AFLPA are in a no win situation with this one .. either way they are going to cause a rift with thier members either Lovett for doing nothing or the rest of the St Kilda (and even other clubs aswell) for fighting it ...

Surely you also hope the Saints win the flag?

st_Trav_ofWA · Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:13pm

plugger66 wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:its a rare occasion but i agree with you Plugger66 the AFLPA are in a no win situation with this one .. either way they are going to cause a rift with thier members either Lovett for doing nothing or the rest of the St Kilda (and even other clubs aswell) for fighting it ...
Surely you also hope the Saints win the flag?

we both hope that but i think we dissagree on more then we agree on

saint66au · Post: # 882127Post **saint66au** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:25pm

It all falls down to the wording of the standard player contract I spose.

If it allows the contract to be terminated for "bringing the Club into disrepute" I dont see how the AFLPA can argue that a rape charge is anything but.

Whether he's convicted of it is irrelevant..the charge itself is enough.

Oh and speaking of the AFLPA's duty to look after the players, what about the rest of our playing group? What if a player charged with the rape of a team-mates gf (or even ex-gf) is suddenly injected back into their work-place? This isnt just any old workplace either. Its a group of guys with a bond very few can emulate. What are their rights with the AFLPA?

evertonfc · Post: # 882129Post **evertonfc** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:25pm

No win for AFLPA but they'd have to stick with Lovett on this one.

It's a curious decision by the Saints from a legal perspective.

stinger · Post: # 882132Post **stinger** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:31pm

evertonfc wrote:No win for AFLPA but they'd have to stick with Lovett on this one.

It's a curious decision by the Saints from a legal perspective.

have a look at the video on the other thread......levin said that he was damaging the brand and it was only going to get worse......wouldn't want a saints player appearing in court on a serious charge .....

degruch · Post: # 882133Post **degruch** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:34pm

evertonfc wrote:No win for AFLPA but they'd have to stick with Lovett on this one.

It's a curious decision by the Saints from a legal perspective.

I thought that would be the case too, but they seem to have covered themselves quite thoroughly from legal action, or so it would seem. In the statement released by the club it mentioned the obvious 'bringing the club into disrepute', but also AL's inability to meet his training schedule and stick to the club's behaviour code. It would seem to confirm the Big Footy thread about AL hitting the town and partying hard in Lorne a few weeks back.

Seems AFLPA would be fighting a losing battle here. If the AFL de-registers him, do they have to support him?

BallBanger · Post: # 882136Post **BallBanger** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:39pm

bigred wrote:They have to defend the player. That is what they are there for.

Where were they when baker got 7 wks...he pays his dues too

degruch · Post: # 882139Post **degruch** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 7:43pm

BallBanger wrote:
bigred wrote:They have to defend the player. That is what they are there for.
Where were they when baker got 7 wks...he pays his dues too

Absolutely! Didn't see them racing to Ben Cousins' defense either.

gindy · Post: # 882189Post **gindy** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 9:40pm

both parties will agree the AL will never be a saints player.

the legal battle will be over the 3yr $1M contract...!

GrumpyOne · Post: # 882198Post **GrumpyOne** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 9:46pm

This is a test of AFL rules. The AFL have indemnified St Kilda for all costs involved in the sacking.

satchmo · Post: # 882231Post **satchmo** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 10:13pm

GrumpyOne wrote:This is a test of AFL rules. The AFL have indemnified St Kilda for all costs involved in the sacking.

I must have missed that bit?

bigred · Post: # 882234Post **bigred** » Tue 16 Feb 2010 10:15pm

satchmo wrote:
GrumpyOne wrote:This is a test of AFL rules. The AFL have indemnified St Kilda for all costs involved in the sacking.
I must have missed that bit?

Same...where did that one come from?

Bernard Shakey · Tue 16 Feb 2010 10:36pm

Noises made by Anderson this arvo on ABC 774 indicate the AFL will be backing the Saints.

I'm sure the club have sought and received their support before acting.