Lovett lodges notice of grievance with club

[SENsei]

I believe I have been saying quite a bit.

[plugger66]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

[GrumpyOne]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

[bigred]

WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHYT.

[GrumpyOne]

WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHYT.

I do not have a problem with you expressing your view, Red, but there is no need to SHOUT.

[SENsei]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

So what is your contention about Milne & Montagna? Did they get a red carpet ride?

[plugger66]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

Completely different case. 2 saints players through and through. AL wasnt even at the club as long as the Irish. A witness or 2 to the AL case. No witnesses to the other case apart from the girls. Different times. Different committee.

[degruch]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

I don't think the club's actions are being questioned here, it's people's attitudes towards the player in question. I'm not saying we should support him because no-one's charged him yet, I am saying that I'm surprised at a lot of the tough talking 'guilty as hell' talk on here. I'm not sure where it's coming from, as it seems this was far from the case with MM. Are we dealing with a change in attitudes? If he's found innocent, what happens?? Red faces and retractions??? Or are people gonna go to the match to vent????

[borderbarry]

As a retired Detective, I cant understand why it is taking so long for Lovett to be charged or informed he is not going to be charged. This length of time is ridiculous. Must be politicians making the decision. Police usually dont have the luxury of this sort of time span to make a decision.

[saintlee]

Lovett's colour has nothing to do with why he was suspended by the club. Its his stupid, selfish behaviour that is the reason.

What kind of person behaves like he has after being given a second chance by a club. He should have been behaving like an angel, doing whatever he could to keep his nose clean. Instead he gets in trouble with the law twice before he even plays a single game.

This guy has made a fool out the club, the coach, the players. He deserves no loyalty from us at all.

[GrumpyOne]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

So what is your contention about Milne & Montagna? Did they get a red carpet ride?

Were they suspended indefinately? Were they banned from the club?

I think not.

Lovett's signature is on the line as a Saints player, should be treated the same as any other.

[SENsei]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

So what is your contention about Milne & Montagna? Did they get a red carpet ride?

Were they suspended indefinately? Were they banned from the club?

I think not.

Lovett's signature is on the line as a Saints player, should be treated the same as any other.

Which is why I tend to believe stinger's official's version. This is more serious an issue 'internally'. The code is broken. Allegedly.

[markp]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

So what is your contention about Milne & Montagna? Did they get a red carpet ride?

Were they suspended indefinately? Were they banned from the club?

I think not.

Lovett's signature is on the line as a Saints player, should be treated the same as any other.

Firstly, I think if you are at the centre of so much grief before you even play a practise match, then you are bound to be seriously under the pump....

Secondly, perhaps the difference between the club's response then and this now is based on what they know.

[GrumpyOne]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

So what is your contention about Milne & Montagna? Did they get a red carpet ride?

Were they suspended indefinately? Were they banned from the club?

I think not.

Lovett's signature is on the line as a Saints player, should be treated the same as any other.

Which is why I tend to believe stinger's official's version. This is more serious an issue 'internally'. The code is broken. Allegedly.

The Stinger theory does make sense, but gives rise to concernes as to how far the players should be allowed to determine the Club's actions.

[degruch]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

So what is your contention about Milne & Montagna? Did they get a red carpet ride?

Were they suspended indefinately? Were they banned from the club?

I think not.

Lovett's signature is on the line as a Saints player, should be treated the same as any other.

Firstly, I think if you are at the centre of so much grief before you even play a practise match, then you are bound to be seriously under the pump....

Secondly, perhaps the difference between the club's response then and this now is based on what they know.

It could also be based on the fact that they did seemingly very little previously, which looked tantamount to support two players during a criminal investigation - not a good look for a professional sporting club.

[GrumpyOne]

It could also be based on the fact that they did seemingly very little previously, which looked tantamount to support two players during a criminal investigation - not a good look for a professional sporting club.

What they did differently with M&M was accept the players' version of what occurred, and abide by the rule of law that says innocent until proven guilty.

I am not trying to defend Lovett here; if he is found guilty I will take delight in tipping the biggest load of fertilizer I can find on his head; but something in this whole matter is not as it seems, and it is not Andrew Lovett.

[Eastern]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

Completely different case. 2 saints players through and through. AL wasnt even at the club as long as the Irish. A witness or 2 to the AL case. No witnesses to the other case apart from the girls. Different times. Different committee.

IIRC the account given by one of the girls was similar to that of M&M. The other girl (the alleged aggreived one) was the one with a different story !!

[degruch]

It could also be based on the fact that they did seemingly very little previously, which looked tantamount to support two players during a criminal investigation - not a good look for a professional sporting club.

What they did differently with M&M was accept the players' version of what occurred, and abide by the rule of law that says innocent until proven guilty.

I am not trying to defend Lovett here; if he is found guilty I will take delight in tipping the biggest load of fertilizer I can find on his head; but something in this whole matter is not as it seems, and it is not Andrew Lovett.

Who's to say AL's version of events hasn't been accepted by the club? They're doing the right thing in placing him on ice regardless, and letting the police to their job, whilst remaining impartial. Which is what everyone should do IMO...but people have their opinions. I have just been intrigued by those who are taking a lynch mob attitude about this case, because the club has handled it differently, as if it proves he is guilty. To me, they're remaining impartial.

[joffaboy]

I am not trying to defend Lovett here; if he is found guilty I will take delight in tipping the biggest load of fertilizer I can find on his head; but something in this whole matter is not as it seems, and it is not Andrew Lovett.

But dont racists hate wogs as well? Therefore Joey would have been for the highjump.

Or maybe Ross Lyon is just racist. Mean he did move X on. He got choo choo delisted (Raph is a problem and a whole in the argument, and so is drafting Lovett in the first place, and the fact that Jimmy Gwilt is still at the club, but hey lets not let a chance to play the race card go by).

Yup I am convinced, RL and the Board are racist toward Lovett.

mods can this idiotic thread be locked?

[plugger66]

I cant believe the crap on here sometimes. To suggest racism is one of the reasons we on here believe Al might be guilty is utter crap. maybe we should look at other reasons he might be guilty like how quickly he was suspended, the fact he might be charged, previous form and so. Pretty sure 99% of posters on here arent saying he might be guilty because he is aboriginal. An insult IMO.

Your opinion Plugger and you are welcome to express it.

My point is that you can't discount it as a factor in his treatment, especially when you compare it to the treatment of Milne and Montagna.

Completely different case. 2 saints players through and through. AL wasnt even at the club as long as the Irish. A witness or 2 to the AL case. No witnesses to the other case apart from the girls. Different times. Different committee.

IIRC the account given by one of the girls was similar to that of M&M. The other girl (the alleged aggreived one) was the one with a different story !!

Yes the girls are witnesses but my point was that Grammy could have been an impartial witness this time. No one like that in the other case. This I believe played a huge part in what the club have done with AL compared to MM.

[GrumpyOne]

I am not trying to defend Lovett here; if he is found guilty I will take delight in tipping the biggest load of fertilizer I can find on his head; but something in this whole matter is not as it seems, and it is not Andrew Lovett.

But dont racists hate wogs as well? Therefore Joey would have been for the highjump.

Or maybe Ross Lyon is just racist. Mean he did move X on. He got choo choo delisted (Raph is a problem and a whole in the argument, and so is drafting Lovett in the first place, and the fact that Jimmy Gwilt is still at the club, but hey lets not let a chance to play the race card go by).

Yup I am convinced, RL and the Board are racist toward Lovett.

mods can this idiotic thread be locked?

Awwww cmon Joffa...... Have you not read any of my posts?

Hate to spoil your enjoyment, but you seem to have taken an inch and extended it to a light year.

Somewhat of a hair-trigger reaction there old chap.

[bigred]

mods can this idiotic thread be locked

Yup. Please.

[degruch]

mods can this idiotic thread be locked

Yup. Please.

I guess it's quickly decending into the mire, like most good multi-page threads. It is hardly the (nearly successful) Thread of Win.

[GrumpyOne]

mods can this idiotic thread be locked

Yup. Please.

One thing in its favour..... over three pages of vigorous debate and no-ones called anyone else a Dhead or a Fwit.











Until now.......

[degruch]

mods can this idiotic thread be locked

Yup. Please.

One thing in its favour..... over three pages of vigorous debate and no-ones called anyone else a Dhead or a Fwit.

Probably because everyone from the fence-sitters to the lynch mob wish there was no reason for it to exist.

Besides, fwit is a pretty lame insult, f***wit.