Ball takes pay cut.

barks4eva · Post: # 878465Post **barks4eva** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:31pm

Saints43 wrote:"So RL stopped giving Ball as much game time because of his interchange technique? "

is a question in summary of:

barks4eva wrote:Ball's second interchange breach ( only St kilda player to break this rule and did it twice ), 8 seconds before 3/4 time with St Kilda players in control of the ball and running down the clock,

The football is reversed and Carlton awarded a free kick and goal on the 3/4 time siren.

Lyon absolutely rips into Ball and gives him a fair dinkum massive spray,

up until this time Ball had enjoyed almost the same amount of game time as Lenny Hayes,

You selectively quoted!

Perhaps read what I wrote in it's entirety and you might get a clue!

kosifantutti23 · Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:31pm

He's off to a flyer at Collingwood.

Ball was quiet during the practice match, although Brown felt he did enough.

"He got through unscathed and had some good quality touches and some good strong tackles, all the stuff that you'd expect from him and you want from him," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/j ... -ni1z.html

plugger66 · Post: # 878468Post **plugger66** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:32pm

Sainter_Dad wrote:Ball is looking VERY good this pre-season - makes you wonder whether his heart was ever in playing for St Kilda. I have never seen him this ripped or ready to play. Seems that the change has been good for Ball - lets hope its better for St Kilda

What are you on about. I am sure that even the people pissed off with Bally wouldnt even slightly wonder if Ball had his heart in playing for us. He gave it 100% a 100% of the time.

SainterK · Post: # 878469Post **SainterK** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:32pm

plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:i dont give a flying flog about luke ball leaving. his contract situation or what hes being paid at the pies. they can have him.

but once we 100% knew he was going we should have got something for it and moved on quick smart.

and blowing pick 17 aint speculation. its cold hard fact.
When did we know 100% he was leaving, all the reports at the time were that he was going to reconcile with the club after a suitable trade was not reached.

It wasn't until he sent the SMS to Ross after trade week to say he wasn't staying, that it was then 100% fact.
What are you talking about. He was going 100% if we traded him to the Pies.

However he wasn't traded to the pies, and your point is?

stinger · Post: # 878470Post **stinger** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:34pm

barks4eva wrote:Ok,

St kilda v Carlton 12th June 2009

Ball's second interchange breach ( only St kilda player to break this rule and did it twice ), 8 seconds before 3/4 time with St Kilda players in control of the ball and running down the clock,

The football is reversed and Carlton awarded a free kick and goal on the 3/4 time siren.

Lyon absolutely rips into Ball and gives him a fair dinkum massive spray,

up until this time Ball had enjoyed almost the same amount of game time as Lenny Hayes,

this changed

Ball IMHO probably sulked like a prima donna private schoolboy having been mollycoddled and paid way over the odds at $600,000 a year and treated like royalty and took exception to having the riot act read out to him,

Lyon would not have liked the way Ball handled the dressing down,

a contract was offered to Ball about one month later which reflected his worth, $350,000 a year for 3 years,

Ball chose not to sign and teammates like Goddard for example during the season, tried to convince Ball to stay,

it would appear his mind was made up, he didn't like the way Lyon spoke to him,

Lyon didn't like the way Ball responded to criticism,

Ball's gametime suddenly was reduced and he was eventually dropped from the team and he continued to sulk back at Sandringham in the VFL,

previously, McQualter had received a massive spray from Lyon and was even delisted at the end of that particular year,

he is now in the leadership group, through sheer guts and determination to prove that he really does have what it takes,

his career could have ended then and there on the scrap heap, but he dug deep and it's a real credit to him,

as for Ball, he walked

actually..ross was asked abiut the carlton incident and whether or not it influenced the saints opinion of ball....ross a=replied along the lines of...oh, yeah..i'd forgotten all about that, it was bally wasn't it"....good story b4e...but crap all the same....i would have thought his subsequent actions in winning the gme against the cats cancelled out the carscum blue....

plugger66 · Post: # 878471Post **plugger66** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:34pm

SainterK wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:i dont give a flying flog about luke ball leaving. his contract situation or what hes being paid at the pies. they can have him.

but once we 100% knew he was going we should have got something for it and moved on quick smart.

and blowing pick 17 aint speculation. its cold hard fact.
When did we know 100% he was leaving, all the reports at the time were that he was going to reconcile with the club after a suitable trade was not reached.

It wasn't until he sent the SMS to Ross after trade week to say he wasn't staying, that it was then 100% fact.
What are you talking about. He was going 100% if we traded him to the Pies.
However he wasn't traded to the pies, and your point is?

My point is you should read what Gora wrote. He is saying we should have traded Ball once we knew he was 100% wanting to go to the Pies.

Mr Magic · Post: # 878472Post **Mr Magic** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:35pm

plugger66 wrote:
Sainter_Dad wrote:Ball is looking VERY good this pre-season - makes you wonder whether his heart was ever in playing for St Kilda. I have never seen him this ripped or ready to play. Seems that the change has been good for Ball - lets hope its better for St Kilda
What are you on about. I am sure that even the people pissed off with Bally wouldnt even slightly wonder if Ball had his heart in playing for us. He gave it 100% a 100% of the time.

I believe.
Every time he stepped on the training track or a game, he put in 100% effort.

Unfortunately the last few years didn't allow him to play up to his own lofty standards set earlier on his career.

SainterK · Post: # 878473Post **SainterK** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:36pm

This thread is crazy.

He got dropped, big deal...

I hope if anyone needs a fire put under them in 2010 that it will be the same, regardless of who it is.

plugger66 · Post: # 878474Post **plugger66** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:37pm

Mr Magic wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
Sainter_Dad wrote:Ball is looking VERY good this pre-season - makes you wonder whether his heart was ever in playing for St Kilda. I have never seen him this ripped or ready to play. Seems that the change has been good for Ball - lets hope its better for St Kilda
What are you on about. I am sure that even the people pissed off with Bally wouldnt even slightly wonder if Ball had his heart in playing for us. He gave it 100% a 100% of the time.
I believe.
Every time he stepped on the training track or a game, he put in 100% effort.

Unfortunately the last few years didn't allow him to play up to his own lofty standards set earlier on his career.

He was an average overpaid footballer in the last 3 years he played but still gave it everything.

SainterK · Post: # 878477Post **SainterK** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:38pm

plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:i dont give a flying flog about luke ball leaving. his contract situation or what hes being paid at the pies. they can have him.

but once we 100% knew he was going we should have got something for it and moved on quick smart.

and blowing pick 17 aint speculation. its cold hard fact.
When did we know 100% he was leaving, all the reports at the time were that he was going to reconcile with the club after a suitable trade was not reached.

It wasn't until he sent the SMS to Ross after trade week to say he wasn't staying, that it was then 100% fact.
What are you talking about. He was going 100% if we traded him to the Pies.
However he wasn't traded to the pies, and your point is?
My point is you should read what Gora wrote. He is saying we should have traded Ball once we knew he was 100% wanting to go to the Pies.

I don't agree, you cannot 100% guarantee anything walking into trade week, especially if you only nominate one club.

plugger66 · Post: # 878480Post **plugger66** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:40pm

SainterK wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
SainterK wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:i dont give a flying flog about luke ball leaving. his contract situation or what hes being paid at the pies. they can have him.

but once we 100% knew he was going we should have got something for it and moved on quick smart.

and blowing pick 17 aint speculation. its cold hard fact.
When did we know 100% he was leaving, all the reports at the time were that he was going to reconcile with the club after a suitable trade was not reached.

It wasn't until he sent the SMS to Ross after trade week to say he wasn't staying, that it was then 100% fact.
What are you talking about. He was going 100% if we traded him to the Pies.
However he wasn't traded to the pies, and your point is?
My point is you should read what Gora wrote. He is saying we should have traded Ball once we knew he was 100% wanting to go to the Pies.
I don't agree, you cannot 100% guarantee anything walking into trade week, especially if you only nominate one club.

That is not what he saying. His point is we lost Ball for nothing. Once we knew he wanted out we should have taken pick 30. Well i am speaking for him but I gather that is is his point from what he has posted before.

Saints43 · Post: # 878481Post **Saints43** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:41pm

barks4eva wrote:
Saints43 wrote:"So RL stopped giving Ball as much game time because of his interchange technique? "

is a question in summary of:

barks4eva wrote:Ball's second interchange breach ( only St kilda player to break this rule and did it twice ), 8 seconds before 3/4 time with St Kilda players in control of the ball and running down the clock,

The football is reversed and Carlton awarded a free kick and goal on the 3/4 time siren.

Lyon absolutely rips into Ball and gives him a fair dinkum massive spray,

up until this time Ball had enjoyed almost the same amount of game time as Lenny Hayes,
You selectively quoted!

Perhaps read what I wrote in it's entirety and you might get a clue!

I quoted from incident, to statement of game time being equal to Hayes, at which point you claim "this changed".

I have commented on the whole post earlier in the thread.

Other reviews of this particular piece of work were "That is nearly as realistic as the Harry Potter novels."

One star.

barks4eva · Post: # 878493Post **barks4eva** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:52pm

stinger wrote:
barks4eva wrote:Ok,

St kilda v Carlton 12th June 2009

Ball's second interchange breach ( only St kilda player to break this rule and did it twice ), 8 seconds before 3/4 time with St Kilda players in control of the ball and running down the clock,

The football is reversed and Carlton awarded a free kick and goal on the 3/4 time siren.

Lyon absolutely rips into Ball and gives him a fair dinkum massive spray,

up until this time Ball had enjoyed almost the same amount of game time as Lenny Hayes,

this changed

Ball IMHO probably sulked like a prima donna private schoolboy having been mollycoddled and paid way over the odds at $600,000 a year and treated like royalty and took exception to having the riot act read out to him,

Lyon would not have liked the way Ball handled the dressing down,

a contract was offered to Ball about one month later which reflected his worth, $350,000 a year for 3 years,

Ball chose not to sign and teammates like Goddard for example during the season, tried to convince Ball to stay,

it would appear his mind was made up, he didn't like the way Lyon spoke to him,

Lyon didn't like the way Ball responded to criticism,

Ball's gametime suddenly was reduced and he was eventually dropped from the team and he continued to sulk back at Sandringham in the VFL,

previously, McQualter had received a massive spray from Lyon and was even delisted at the end of that particular year,

he is now in the leadership group, through sheer guts and determination to prove that he really does have what it takes,

his career could have ended then and there on the scrap heap, but he dug deep and it's a real credit to him,

as for Ball, he walked

actually..ross was asked abiut the carlton incident and whether or not it influenced the saints opinion of ball....ross a=replied along the lines of...oh, yeah..i'd forgotten all about that, it was bally wasn't it"....good story b4e...but crap all the same....i would have thought his subsequent actions in winning the gme against the cats cancelled out the carscum blue....

Yes you must be right, Ross Lyon always tells the journo's absolutely everything they want to know, there is nothing he keeps secret from the media, sometimes I just wish he would shut up and keep things in house!

InkerSaint · Post: # 878496Post **InkerSaint** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:54pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:luke ball - for 25 or
luke ball for nothing

that is the equation. by taking that we would "forced" collingwood into using 25 under ur logic.

NO. That is not the equation. Why don't you go and dig up an article to refresh your memory for what was on the table?

once we knew he was 100% going we should have taken the highest offer and closed the book on him. no fuss. no emotion. goobye luck - hello kid.

Easy to say, but Trade Week doesn't always work that way.

stinger · Post: # 878498Post **stinger** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 4:59pm

barks4eva wrote:
stinger wrote:
barks4eva wrote:Ok,

St kilda v Carlton 12th June 2009

Ball's second interchange breach ( only St kilda player to break this rule and did it twice ), 8 seconds before 3/4 time with St Kilda players in control of the ball and running down the clock,

The football is reversed and Carlton awarded a free kick and goal on the 3/4 time siren.

Lyon absolutely rips into Ball and gives him a fair dinkum massive spray,

up until this time Ball had enjoyed almost the same amount of game time as Lenny Hayes,

this changed

Ball IMHO probably sulked like a prima donna private schoolboy having been mollycoddled and paid way over the odds at $600,000 a year and treated like royalty and took exception to having the riot act read out to him,

Lyon would not have liked the way Ball handled the dressing down,

a contract was offered to Ball about one month later which reflected his worth, $350,000 a year for 3 years,

Ball chose not to sign and teammates like Goddard for example during the season, tried to convince Ball to stay,

it would appear his mind was made up, he didn't like the way Lyon spoke to him,

Lyon didn't like the way Ball responded to criticism,

Ball's gametime suddenly was reduced and he was eventually dropped from the team and he continued to sulk back at Sandringham in the VFL,

previously, McQualter had received a massive spray from Lyon and was even delisted at the end of that particular year,

he is now in the leadership group, through sheer guts and determination to prove that he really does have what it takes,

his career could have ended then and there on the scrap heap, but he dug deep and it's a real credit to him,

as for Ball, he walked

actually..ross was asked abiut the carlton incident and whether or not it influenced the saints opinion of ball....ross a=replied along the lines of...oh, yeah..i'd forgotten all about that, it was bally wasn't it"....good story b4e...but crap all the same....i would have thought his subsequent actions in winning the gme against the cats cancelled out the carscum blue....
Yes you must be right, Ross Lyon always tells the journo's absolutely everything they want to know, there is nothing he keeps secret from the media, sometimes I just wish he would shut up and keep things in house!

good come back.....who were you referring to in your last post to garry by the way....

barks4eva · Post: # 878500Post **barks4eva** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:00pm

Saints43 wrote:
barks4eva wrote:
Saints43 wrote:"So RL stopped giving Ball as much game time because of his interchange technique? "

is a question in summary of:

barks4eva wrote:Ball's second interchange breach ( only St kilda player to break this rule and did it twice ), 8 seconds before 3/4 time with St Kilda players in control of the ball and running down the clock,

The football is reversed and Carlton awarded a free kick and goal on the 3/4 time siren.

Lyon absolutely rips into Ball and gives him a fair dinkum massive spray,

up until this time Ball had enjoyed almost the same amount of game time as Lenny Hayes,
You selectively quoted!

Perhaps read what I wrote in it's entirety and you might get a clue!
I quoted from incident, to statement of game time being equal to Hayes, at which point you claim "this changed".

I have commented on the whole post earlier in the thread.

Other reviews of this particular piece of work were "That is nearly as realistic as the Harry Potter novels."

One star.

Anything subsequent IMHO would have resulted from the way in which Ball handled criticism!

Ball gets read the riot act, FAIR DINKUM > two interchange breaches, the only player to actually infringe and in such a tight game with us running down the clock 8 seconds before 3/4 time and hey presto goal to Carlton,

Lyon would have been very angry,

IMHO I believe Ball didn't cope too well with the way he was spoken to by Lyon and things never recovered from that moment,

& furthermore Lyon did not like the way Ball responded to the criticism!

Then interestingly enough he started getting less game time, make of it what you will!

Saints43 · Post: # 878501Post **Saints43** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:00pm

barks4eva wrote:Yes you must be right, Ross Lyon always tells the journo's absolutely everything they want to know, there is nothing he keeps secret from the media, sometimes I just wish he would shut up and keep things in house!

So you will be the judge of when what Ross Lyon says can be reported as fact and when it can't?

Next time he is quoted in the paper please log on to Saintsational as quickly as possible and declare the statement to be truth or subterfuge so that I too may know the truth.

SainterK · Post: # 878502Post **SainterK** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:01pm

InkerSaint wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:luke ball - for 25 or
luke ball for nothing

that is the equation. by taking that we would "forced" collingwood into using 25 under ur logic.
NO. That is not the equation. Why don't you go and dig up an article to refresh your memory for what was on the table?

once we knew he was 100% going we should have taken the highest offer and closed the book on him. no fuss. no emotion. goobye luck - hello kid.
Easy to say, but Trade Week doesn't always work that way.

Exactly, I hope we did not go into trade week with an attitude of let's 100% trade Luke for anything.

MCG-Unit · Post: # 878503Post **MCG-Unit** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:03pm

SainterK wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:.......
but once we 100% knew he was going we should have got something for it and moved on quick smart.

and blowing pick 17 aint speculation. its cold hard fact.
When did we know 100% he was leaving, all the reports at the time were that he was going to reconcile with the club after a suitable trade was not reached.

It wasn't until he sent the SMS to Ross after trade week to say he wasn't staying, that it was then 100% fact.

Didn't we know Ball was leaving when the Saints and Collingwood tried for the best part of Trade Week to negotiate a deal

At the end of which Lyon said 25 and 62 were on the table, but it wasn't enough to get it done

SainterK · Post: # 878504Post **SainterK** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:06pm

Saints43 wrote:
barks4eva wrote:Yes you must be right, Ross Lyon always tells the journo's absolutely everything they want to know, there is nothing he keeps secret from the media, sometimes I just wish he would shut up and keep things in house!
So you will be the judge of when what Ross Lyon says can be reported as fact and when it can't?

Next time he is quoted in the paper please log on to Saintsational as quickly as possible and declare the statement to be truth or subterfuge so that I too may know the truth.

Here you go Saints43, life is easier if you put these on....

barks4eva · Post: # 878507Post **barks4eva** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:07pm

stinger wrote:
good come back.....who were you referring to in your last post to garry by the way....

I was referring to Gary taking him at his word when Thomas said "I will step aside if I think there is someone better to do the job" and naively believing that spin!

Gary wrote a couple of years ago that it was his understanding that Thomas would have stepped aside if he thought there was someone better to coach St Kilda!

Any clearer for you?

Badlands · Post: # 878508Post **Badlands** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:07pm

AFL: Malthouse hits back at Saints over Ball

Article just appeared on newswire. Won't post in full but hopefully someone can post a link when one of the majors posts the story to their website. Seems to be linked to an SEN interview, but bit of a nothing story really. Basically Malthouse questioning Riewoldt's comments and saying Ball knew he wasn't wanted.

"He's only got great memories of St Kilda and he'll retain those
great memories because he has been a captain, he has been a player
who's bled for the football club, he's been injured playing and got
out there and still played, he's got a lot friends back there,"
Malthouse said.
"He doesn't want to make an issue of it, and that's the way it
should be.
"In football it's a short part of your life overall, it's
massive while you're doing it and he just wants people at St Kilda
to know that he gave his all and now he's moving on."
AAP rhv/jds

vacuous space · Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:08pm

SainterK wrote:Exactly, I hope we did not go into trade week with an attitude of let's 100% trade Luke for anything.

Given what RL says the offer on the table was, people would be complaining either way. If we'd taken pick 25 and drafted Mitch Duncan rather than getting Will Johnson at 77, would anybody really be that much happier with our list?

SainterK · Post: # 878510Post **SainterK** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:08pm

MCG-Unit wrote:
SainterK wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:.......
but once we 100% knew he was going we should have got something for it and moved on quick smart.

and blowing pick 17 aint speculation. its cold hard fact.
When did we know 100% he was leaving, all the reports at the time were that he was going to reconcile with the club after a suitable trade was not reached.

It wasn't until he sent the SMS to Ross after trade week to say he wasn't staying, that it was then 100% fact.
Didn't we know Ball was leaving when the Saints and Collingwood tried for the best part of Trade Week to negotiate a deal
At the end of which Lyon said 25 and 62 were on the table, but it wasn't enough to get it done

No 100% guarantee's MCG, and it's an unfair expectation of the club IMO.

MCG-Unit · Post: # 878511Post **MCG-Unit** » Fri 05 Feb 2010 5:09pm

Sainter_Dad wrote:Ball is looking VERY good this pre-season - makes you wonder whether his heart was ever in playing for St Kilda. I have never seen him this ripped or ready to play. Seems that the change has been good for Ball - lets hope its better for St Kilda

Yep you're right - for 8 years he didn't put his body on the line for his club, and was never any good really

And despite all his short comings being constantly listed, I think he finished 3rd in clearances this year