Good run with injury in '09 no accident

[rodgerfox]

Sorry, but I have to comment on this.

I simply can't accept this.

Too bad. From a reliable source.

Are you seriously, with a straight face, saying that the St Kilda Football Club's match committee (or whatever they call themselves) selected a guy to only play half a game?

Are you for real?

Who cares what you think.

Honestly, and I do mean this, if this happened, the members of the club should march down to the joint and demand that heads roll.

Off you go - oh are you are member though?

If that is what happened, that is the most unbelievable decision ever made.

So unbelievable that it is simply laughable.

Is it. I think your reaction to a bloke who only played 50% of most games this year the laughable thing.

Ohhh good for another 5 or so pages hey Rodge???

Really mate, give the feigned outrate a rest. The routine is getting a bit old hat.

Surely you're taking the piiss?

Surely you think you have found a gold nugget.

Ho hum Rodge the feigned outraged member (or is he?) i s going to mount a popular revolt because a player only got 50% of game time

lol - you really crack me up Rodge

We all see right through you RF.

We will have to start calling you O'Briens

Joffaboy, don't personalise this as usual.


Answer this...

As a member, are you honestly Ok with the decision to knowingly take only 21.5 men into a Grand Final?

Especially considering we were overrun in the last 10 minutes?

Honestly, do you think this decision does not require significant accountability for those responsible?


I'm honestly flabbergasted that you're saying this was a consicious decision by the club to select a player for the GF and plan to only play him during the first half.

Unbelievable.

[SainterK]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

[rodgerfox]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

F*ck me, that's unbelievable.

Seriously just staggering.

[Milton66]

So how do you play 19 players for the total 100 minutes of a game?

Not to mention the other 3.

Realistically, you cannot select 22 players to play for 100 mins.

But you can select players that will be available to play for 100 mins if required.

[joffaboy]

As a member, are you honestly Ok with the decision to knowingly take only 21.5 men into a Grand Final?

Many players weren't fully fit. Steve Johnson was half fit, should geelong storm the barricades?

Honestly, do you think this decision does not require significant accountability for those responsible?

Why? He was played half a game all year. I dont know why he was selected in the first place.

Have said that consistantly.

I'm honestly flabbergasted that you're saying this was a consicious decision by the club to select a player for the GF and plan to only play him during the first half.

Unbelievable.

So you didn't watch the H&A in 2009?

Where was your outrage all through the season when Ball played less than 50% of the game?

Really if you knew anything about football you would know what the tactic in the GF was, which was to use Ball when he could run. It was done effectively except the forwards couldn't kick bloody straight.

As you say we were getting overrun in the last 10 minutes. My argument was that because Ball couldn't run, we may have been better off with Armo, or Geary.

But that is all supposition, maybe we would have gotten smashed in the middle in the first half and even with the Armo and Geary option we couldn't have got close to the Cats.

So stop hyperventillating RF, maybe if you dont understand that the Saints had used Ball like that all year, you should stay out of football matters you have trouble with.

You said you were confused earlier in this thread. Please, stay calm, if you had an inkling of what had happen ed throughout the year, you may not be so het up.

Really RF, a deep breath from you.

[joffaboy]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

F*ck me, that's unbelievable.

Seriously just staggering.

lol -

[SainterK]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

I realise you like making sensational statements, but Ross Lyon admitted that upon reflection could have been brought on for longer in the third and fourth quarters.

How you interpret that to be that he only played the first half, I am not sure?

[joffaboy]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

I realise you like making sensational statements, but Ross Lyon admitted that upon reflection could have been brought on for longer in the third and fourth quarters.

How you interpret that to be that he only played the first half, I am not sure?

Well RF does get a bit confused - he said so himself in this thread

See RF cant differentiate between quarters and halfs and % game time

[Milton66]

Honestly, and I do mean this, if this happened, the members of the club should march down to the joint and demand that heads roll.

That might explain why I was this sign in Linton St today.

[markp]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

F*ck me, that's unbelievable.

Seriously just staggering.

Perhaps you should buy a membership so you can burn it.

[rodgerfox]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

I realise you like making sensational statements, but Ross Lyon admitted that upon reflection could have been brought on for longer in the third and fourth quarters.

How you interpret that to be that he only played the first half, I am not sure?

Well RF does get a bit confused - he said so himself in this thread

See RF cant differentiate between quarters and halfs and % game time

So Joffaboy is lying? Is that what you're saying SainterK?

In all honesty, it makes far more sense that Joffaboy is again making big statements in order to 'win' an argument, as opposed to our coaching staff selecting a player knowing and planning for him only to play in the first half.

[rodgerfox]

As a member, are you honestly Ok with the decision to knowingly take only 21.5 men into a Grand Final?

Many players weren't fully fit. Steve Johnson was half fit, should geelong storm the barricades?

Honestly, do you think this decision does not require significant accountability for those responsible?

Why? He was played half a game all year. I dont know why he was selected in the first place.

Have said that consistantly.

I'm honestly flabbergasted that you're saying this was a consicious decision by the club to select a player for the GF and plan to only play him during the first half.

Unbelievable.

So you didn't watch the H&A in 2009?

Where was your outrage all through the season when Ball played less than 50% of the game?

Really if you knew anything about football you would know what the tactic in the GF was, which was to use Ball when he could run. It was done effectively except the forwards couldn't kick bloody straight.

As you say we were getting overrun in the last 10 minutes. My argument was that because Ball couldn't run, we may have been better off with Armo, or Geary.

But that is all supposition, maybe we would have gotten smashed in the middle in the first half and even with the Armo and Geary option we couldn't have got close to the Cats.

So stop hyperventillating RF, maybe if you dont understand that the Saints had used Ball like that all year, you should stay out of football matters you have trouble with.

You said you were confused earlier in this thread. Please, stay calm, if you had an inkling of what had happen ed throughout the year, you may not be so het up.

Really RF, a deep breath from you.

Can you please name the games in which Luke Ball had been selected to only play in the first half?

Infact any player that this has happened to.

And you don't have to limit it to the Saints, you can use any team as an example.

[SainterK]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

I realise you like making sensational statements, but Ross Lyon admitted that upon reflection could have been brought on for longer in the third and fourth quarters.

How you interpret that to be that he only played the first half, I am not sure?

Well RF does get a bit confused - he said so himself in this thread

See RF cant differentiate between quarters and halfs and % game time

So Joffaboy is lying? Is that what you're saying SainterK?

In all honesty, it makes far more sense that Joffaboy is again making big statements in order to 'win' an argument, as opposed to our coaching staff selecting a player knowing and planning for him only to play in the first half.

Hey? Rodger you need to have another read I think....

[SainterK]

As a member, are you honestly Ok with the decision to knowingly take only 21.5 men into a Grand Final?

Many players weren't fully fit. Steve Johnson was half fit, should geelong storm the barricades?

Honestly, do you think this decision does not require significant accountability for those responsible?

Why? He was played half a game all year. I dont know why he was selected in the first place.

Have said that consistantly.

I'm honestly flabbergasted that you're saying this was a consicious decision by the club to select a player for the GF and plan to only play him during the first half.

Unbelievable.

So you didn't watch the H&A in 2009?

Where was your outrage all through the season when Ball played less than 50% of the game?

Really if you knew anything about football you would know what the tactic in the GF was, which was to use Ball when he could run. It was done effectively except the forwards couldn't kick bloody straight.

As you say we were getting overrun in the last 10 minutes. My argument was that because Ball couldn't run, we may have been better off with Armo, or Geary.

But that is all supposition, maybe we would have gotten smashed in the middle in the first half and even with the Armo and Geary option we couldn't have got close to the Cats.

So stop hyperventillating RF, maybe if you dont understand that the Saints had used Ball like that all year, you should stay out of football matters you have trouble with.

You said you were confused earlier in this thread. Please, stay calm, if you had an inkling of what had happen ed throughout the year, you may not be so het up.

Really RF, a deep breath from you.

Can you please name the games in which Luke Ball had been selected to only play in the first half?

Infact any player that this has happened to.

And you don't have to limit it to the Saints, you can use any team as an example.

He played in the second half, why are you not comprehending this?

[rodgerfox]

You think Luke Ball shouldn't have been selected in the first place Roger?

Well, if the plan was to only play him for the first half - then of course not.

I realise you like making sensational statements, but Ross Lyon admitted that upon reflection could have been brought on for longer in the third and fourth quarters.

How you interpret that to be that he only played the first half, I am not sure?

Well RF does get a bit confused - he said so himself in this thread

See RF cant differentiate between quarters and halfs and % game time

So Joffaboy is lying? Is that what you're saying SainterK?

In all honesty, it makes far more sense that Joffaboy is again making big statements in order to 'win' an argument, as opposed to our coaching staff selecting a player knowing and planning for him only to play in the first half.

Hey? Rodger you need to have another read I think....

Ok, here's how I read it...

Ball did play in the 2nd half. Lyon admitted he should have played him more in the 2nd half.

Is that what you've said?


If it is, then you're directly opposing what Joffaboy is claiming as fact - that the club purposely selected Luke Ball to only play a half of the Grand Final.


So who's lying here? Ross Lyon, or Joffaboy?


I sincerely hope it's Joffaboy, I really really do.

[Milton66]

wtf?

Last time I did the maths... a half of footy = 50 minutes.

Where was it stated that the 50 mins had to be the first half?

You can play 15; 15; 15 and 5. And you've still played half a game.

[meher baba]

I'd be interested to see a direct comparison between the posters who are pushing the "poor Luke" agenda and where they line up on the GT v RL.

Maybe I'm wrong but it appears that way to me.

"Poor Luke?". He's ok, I couldn't give a rat's about him.

I can't speak for others, but I'm only worried about us, in 2010 and beyond. I am concerned that we let a good player go (which is still what I believe happened) and, although IMO we remain strong enough to win a flag, it's just possible we might live to regret it.

Nothing whatsoever to do with GT as far as I am concerned.

What are your concerns MB, is it with regards to the midfield?

Not especially. I would hope that we could cover Luke's role in the midfield by, say, putting Armo up forward and playing McQualter in the middle.

My concern is more that - as opposed to all those on here who say Luke was no bloody good, couldn't run, etc. - I think he was an inspirational and influential player for the team, both on and off the field. And he did play an important role in the engine room in 2009: certainly his output was considerably below his best of 2004-05, but it was still a bloody useful contribution. And one that is no longer available to us, in exchange for......no draft pick or traded player and salary $$$ that we effectively reallocated to pay for Lovett and now appear to be wasted.

I think too many people on here are inclined to judge Luke too harshly on the basis of the large amount of $$$ he was paid (on the basis of what he once was) and assessing it against the player that he now is. But, even in his reduced form, he is still a pretty darn good player, as the Pies have recognised.

Yes there was a contract on the table (there was never any serious suggestion that it was taken away), and yes he asked to be traded. I believe that the most signficant reason for his leaving the club was the breakdown in the relationship between him and the coach. In the end there probably wasn't much that could be done to rectify that.

But I'm still allowed to wish that it hadn't happened.

[asiu]

yes

do



and yours is going to be the first

[joffaboy]

He played in the second half, why are you not comprehending this?

RF gets confused

[joffaboy]

wtf?

Last time I did the maths... a half of footy = 50 minutes.

Where was it stated that the 50 mins had to be the first half?

You can play 15; 15; 15 and 5. And you've still played half a game.

RF gets very confused, he has admitted as much in this ver thread.

He is really attempting to get this thread to JLH and 'Is GT a sacred cow" thread status

Even .LIAR has been brough out as a last resort

RF is going to sign up as a memeber so he can lead the revolt to take back the STKFC citadel.

All hail

[plugger66]

Just finished my Brazillian and another 3 pages added. One post on the topic. As a new mod either get back on topic or have a weeks rest.

[joffaboy]

Just finished my Brazillian and another 3 pages added. One post on the topic. As a new mod either get back on topic or have a weeks rest.

If you are a new mod do you have the right haircut and ride a scooter?

[Milton66]

yes

do



and yours is going to be the first

Is that a threat gaz?

All part of your cunning plan?

[GrumpyOne]

yes

do



and yours is going to be the first

Is that a threat gaz?

All part of your cunning plan?

Let it go guys..... Both of you.

Your spat attracted so much attention to the General Forum that I'm sitting here without access for no frigging reason other than defending myself against vile accusations by someone else.

Not Happy Jan.

[Milton66]

yes

do



and yours is going to be the first

Is that a threat gaz?

All part of your cunning plan?

Let it go guys..... Both of you.

Your spat attracted so much attention to the General Forum that I'm sitting here without access for no frigging reason other than defending myself against vile accusations by someone else.

Not Happy Jan.

MAte, I have let it go and moved on... apologised even.

If gaz wants to go on a crusade, then let him.

TBH, if it makes them happy that can permanently ban me rom the General forum and let the others back.

Removing temptation is probably the best thing for me.

Sorry you got caught up in this.