Good run with injury in '09 no accident

[saintsRrising]

Others of us were pi**ed that incompetence had cost us so dearly.

So it was injuries that "cost us so dearly" in 05?

You do have trouble keeping up.

You seem to have a very simplistic view of football that there can only be one problem at a time.


As has already been mentioned... incompetent management of our playing list in this regard in 2005 was ONE of areas that cost us dearly in 05.

So yes St Kilda had a higher soft tissue injury rate than it should have had in that year.

So the real problem is how the club conducted it's player conditioning etc.

It is a bit like a crashed car. It is not the crashed car that is normally the problem, but rather the "bozzo" behind the wheel.

In 2005 it was not the injury to a player that was the problem, it was the "bozzo" who oversaw such a sorry state of affairs that the state of our playing list then.

[saintsRrising]

Yeah - Rodger - I agree with him - I seriously do not believe that by now you are not aware that half your stuff seems either driven by an agenda or is just simply devised to be inflammatory. Otherwise you might have Alzheimer's.
!

Yes you have nailed RF, or VS....

[asiu]

but rather the "bozzo" behind the wheel.

is that all mercedes divers or what ?

[rodgerfox]

Others of us were pi**ed that incompetence had cost us so dearly.

So it was injuries that "cost us so dearly" in 05?

You do have trouble keeping up.

You seem to have a very simplistic view of football that there can only be one problem at a time.


As has already been mentioned... incompetent management of our playing list in this regard in 2005 was ONE of areas that cost us dearly in 05.

So yes St Kilda had a higher soft tissue injury rate than it should have had in that year.

So the real problem is how the club conducted it's player conditioning etc.

It is a bit like a crashed car. It is not the crashed car that is normally the problem, but rather the "bozzo" behind the wheel.

In 2005 it was not the injury to a player that was the problem, it was the "bozzo" who oversaw such a sorry state of affairs that the state of our playing list then.

So as I asked earlier, do you blame Lyon for Roo's abductor injury prior to the GF?

And do you blame him for Lenny's current injury which will cost him a pre-season?

[barks4eva]

but rather the "bozzo" behind the wheel.

is that all mercedes divers or what ?

Just the ones who run out of petrol!

[saint66au]

Others of us were pi**ed that incompetence had cost us so dearly.

So it was injuries that "cost us so dearly" in 05?

You do have trouble keeping up.

You seem to have a very simplistic view of football that there can only be one problem at a time.


As has already been mentioned... incompetent management of our playing list in this regard in 2005 was ONE of areas that cost us dearly in 05.

So yes St Kilda had a higher soft tissue injury rate than it should have had in that year.

So the real problem is how the club conducted it's player conditioning etc.

It is a bit like a crashed car. It is not the crashed car that is normally the problem, but rather the "bozzo" behind the wheel.

In 2005 it was not the injury to a player that was the problem, it was the "bozzo" who oversaw such a sorry state of affairs that the state of our playing list then.

So as I asked earlier, do you blame Lyon for Roo's abductor injury prior to the GF?

And do you blame him for Lenny's current injury which will cost him a pre-season?

Do you ever answer any questions asked of you..or just ask (loaded) ones of your own??

When David Misson came to St Kilda he found that our Football Dept was severely understaffed, under-financed and badly mismanaged. Since his arrival we now have a regime and staff among the best in the comp..and this time next year facilities to match

Time has shown that the horrnedous injury run we had under GT could well have been reduced with proper staff and management. Last year we had our best injury run for years and years.

Oh while I have your attention Rodg...your a pretty regular poster around here. How about contributing to the Player Sponsorship scheme eh? Cmon..consider it a challenge. Go to the sticky thread and pledge....or would having to actually send money possibly reveal something of your true identity to someone on the this site..and I think your obsessed not to let that happen

[rodgerfox]

Oh while I have your attention Rodg...your a pretty regular poster around here. How about contributing to the Player Sponsorship scheme eh? Cmon..consider it a challenge. Go to the sticky thread and pledge....

Why on earth would I sponsor an AFL footballer?

[asiu]

Just the ones who run out of petrol!

i knew you'd miss it







u like it when the herds up and about dont ya

[joffaboy]

So as I asked earlier, do you blame Lyon for Roo's abductor injury prior to the GF?

What abductor injury? Once you run down the race you are fit.

And do you blame him for Lenny's current injury which will cost him a pre-season?

What injury? Something you have read in the paper or on here and it suddenly fact.

FFS what an stupid argument from you.

You said earlier in this thread that you were confused, well that certainly hasn't changed.

There will always be injuries to players, however the incompetence of Grant Thomas toward player management was one of the factors towards us not even having an opportunity to play in a GF for a flag.

Lyon has come along and fixed that terrible incompetent mismanagement with the help of a stabe and able fitness regime that enabled us to have the best chance of getting the best 22 on the field each game, something Thomas spectactularily failed to do in the two years we made a PF under him.

Why is this simple concept so hard for you to understand? It was Thomases incompetence we never made a GF in a range of things, one of them being player fitness management.

Really it is incredibly how many other posters have made your obtuse blatherings look stupid on this thread.

carry on , it is very amusing.

Oh BTW. Why dont you put your hand in your pocket you tight bastard and help this website sponsor players.

I mean you use this resource like a parasite, but wont contribute.

Why is that?

[saintsRrising]

So as I asked earlier, do you blame Lyon for Roo's abductor injury prior to the GF?

And do you blame him for Lenny's current injury which will cost him a pre-season?

No, but I do blame your Dad for not using a condom.

AGAIN, as you full well know GT demanded responsibilty for Player Conditioning. Lyon has not. Lyon much more senisbly kicked the Board up the bum and demanded that they fixed it.

Whereas Bozzo demanded that he be given control. Oxymoron there!!!!!!

Do try and keep up.

[saintsRrising]

And do you blame him for Lenny's current injury which will cost him a pre-season?

1/ What injury?

2/ Silly question anyway and goes to the heart of your inability to comprehend. Our list at present is very fit with very few injured players. That is what counts..the totatlity.

If Hayes does have a twinge or injury then I am extremely confident that he will receive optimal management of any issue....and once again Lyon is not overseeing this oh unwise one.

PS: When is the next Stool Report coming out so that you can expose your "neautral footy fan " views once again??

[HarveysDeciple]

One of the sad things is how we end up debating coach vs coach, due to both the vitriolic hatred towards Grant Thomas for years, and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.


It's created a belief that your either in one camp or the other.

Grant Thomas was fantastic for the saints, came along at a time when he was sorely needed. Made a few errors accross the way and rightly they have been pointed out, But Fisher's broken foot and a couple of the injuries were just freakish luck. However in reality he couldn't take us to the big dance so was moved on.

Ross Lyon is tactically superb, and also came along at the right time. Fine tuned things, created a super style of play and brought the right people in a) in terms of recycled playing stocks and also in terms of off field staff re fitness.

GT turned the culture around at the saints and injected a belief that this club could defy history and achieve it's own era of success. He took them to the finals and developed leadership etc. He also help nurture through the young batch of stars by developing the likes of Kozi and Riewoldt firstly in defence, which is a great way to teach young players the game.

However his time had come and he wasn't capable of taking the club the next required step, and a few ideas got stale.

So in comes Ross with the brains and the hard edge to turn the side into a premiership outfit, and also fantastic management of the players in terms of blanking out outside influeneces and media etc. (Saints hardest club to deal with from a media point of you, and I think that's great).
Tactically fantastic and also developed some young players and rejuvenated the careers of a few recycled players on the scrapheap at other clubs.

He is the man to take us the next step, but both deserve a fond place in this club's history.

[Mr Magic]

Well said HD.

[satchmo]

No HD, GT was a firm believer that soft tissue injuries would earn him millions of dollars at the expense of sick children.

[Milan Faletic]

Oh while I have your attention Rodg...your a pretty regular poster around here. How about contributing to the Player Sponsorship scheme eh? Cmon..consider it a challenge. Go to the sticky thread and pledge....

Why on earth would I sponsor an AFL footballer?

Incase they get abducted, you can pay the ransom.

[Dr Spaceman]

As George Costanza was once heard to remark, "Dear god, make it stop"

[Milan Faletic]

So as I asked earlier, do you blame Lyon for Roo's abductor injury prior to the GF?

What abductor injury? Once you run down the race you are fit.

joffaboy, I can't believe you are letting Rodgerfox get away continually calling an adductor muscle, an abductor.

Lucky he didn't do his Nutella tendon

[Sainterman]

The funny thing is, if you talk to people that are not on this site, no-one is thinking about GT anymore, and no-one is trying to compare GT and RL. It is unique to this site...and has gone on for such a long time. Kind of odd really...17 pages and so off topic.

[asiu]

HarveysDeciple
Posted: Sun 31 Jan 5:17 pm



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Joined: 09 Mar 2004
Posts: 9104
Location: St Kilda

One of the sad things is how we end up debating coach vs coach, due to both the vitriolic hatred towards Grant Thomas for years, and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.


It's created a belief that your either in one camp or the other.

Grant Thomas was fantastic for the saints, came along at a time when he was sorely needed. Made a few errors accross the way and rightly they have been pointed out, But Fisher's broken foot and a couple of the injuries were just freakish luck. However in reality he couldn't take us to the big dance so was moved on.

Ross Lyon is tactically superb, and also came along at the right time. Fine tuned things, created a super style of play and brought the right people in a) in terms of recycled playing stocks and also in terms of off field staff re fitness.

GT turned the culture around at the saints and injected a belief that this club could defy history and achieve it's own era of success. He took them to the finals and developed leadership etc. He also help nurture through the young batch of stars by developing the likes of Kozi and Riewoldt firstly in defence, which is a great way to teach young players the game.

However his time had come and he wasn't capable of taking the club the next required step, and a few ideas got stale.

So in comes Ross with the brains and the hard edge to turn the side into a premiership outfit, and also fantastic management of the players in terms of blanking out outside influeneces and media etc. (Saints hardest club to deal with from a media point of you, and I think that's great).
Tactically fantastic and also developed some young players and rejuvenated the careers of a few recycled players on the scrapheap at other clubs.

He is the man to take us the next step, but both deserve a fond place in this club's history.

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Mr Magic
Posted: Sun 31 Jan 5:50 pm



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Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 7427


Well said HD.

awwwwe , how cute





nice post hd

although

One of the sad things is how we end up debating coach vs coach, due to both the vitriolic hatred towards Grant Thomas for years, and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.

reads like the propaganda it is

and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.

ultra critical u say

but lets get back to that bit

and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon

the rest of your post was brilliant , but was this written by a speech writer ?

i'm sure i could rustle up 70 accusations of and about the 'lyon haters'

could u possibley post just 7 examples of instances of 'vitriolic lyon hating' from these boards

well u wont be able to i would expect ...because its all imaginary poo thrown by the control freaks

so how about just 10 examples of 'ultra critical' even .... still lose money on that bet i reckon

but even if there were , which theres not ....is there really only one 'view' allowed in our liittle satelite , state conrolled entity around here now about lyon and his efforts ?

It's created a belief that your either in one camp or the other.

with us or against us .....now where have i heard that before

the behaviour around here , created exactly what it was trying to create

but its still just propaganda

imo


propaganda or the australian way ....be fair

xox

[asiu]

ps ...


thats ...the old australian way , i was talking about

(for those readers who need things expressed like a business document)

[JMsainter]

Good Lord, are people still debating Grant Thomas? The man was true Saint and along with Rod, they gave this club and we supporters incredible self-belief.

They should be thanked for their efforts. Too bad they fell out.

Now Ross is here and he deserves our undivided loyalty. Go Saints!

James M.

[HarveysDeciple]

HarveysDeciple
Posted: Sun 31 Jan 5:17 pm



Saintsational Legend


Joined: 09 Mar 2004
Posts: 9104
Location: St Kilda

One of the sad things is how we end up debating coach vs coach, due to both the vitriolic hatred towards Grant Thomas for years, and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.


It's created a belief that your either in one camp or the other.

Grant Thomas was fantastic for the saints, came along at a time when he was sorely needed. Made a few errors accross the way and rightly they have been pointed out, But Fisher's broken foot and a couple of the injuries were just freakish luck. However in reality he couldn't take us to the big dance so was moved on.

Ross Lyon is tactically superb, and also came along at the right time. Fine tuned things, created a super style of play and brought the right people in a) in terms of recycled playing stocks and also in terms of off field staff re fitness.

GT turned the culture around at the saints and injected a belief that this club could defy history and achieve it's own era of success. He took them to the finals and developed leadership etc. He also help nurture through the young batch of stars by developing the likes of Kozi and Riewoldt firstly in defence, which is a great way to teach young players the game.

However his time had come and he wasn't capable of taking the club the next required step, and a few ideas got stale.

So in comes Ross with the brains and the hard edge to turn the side into a premiership outfit, and also fantastic management of the players in terms of blanking out outside influeneces and media etc. (Saints hardest club to deal with from a media point of you, and I think that's great).
Tactically fantastic and also developed some young players and rejuvenated the careers of a few recycled players on the scrapheap at other clubs.

He is the man to take us the next step, but both deserve a fond place in this club's history.

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Posted: Sun 31 Jan 5:50 pm



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Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 7427


Well said HD.

awwwwe , how cute





nice post hd

although

One of the sad things is how we end up debating coach vs coach, due to both the vitriolic hatred towards Grant Thomas for years, and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.

reads like the propaganda it is

and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon and are ultra critical of him.

ultra critical u say

but lets get back to that bit

and then those who were such big supporters they go the same way with Lyon

the rest of your post was brilliant , but was this written by a speech writer ?

i'm sure i could rustle up 70 accusations of and about the 'lyon haters'

could u possibley post just 7 examples of instances of 'vitriolic lyon hating' from these boards

well u wont be able to i would expect ...because its all imaginary poo thrown by the control freaks

so how about just 10 examples of 'ultra critical' even .... still lose money on that bet i reckon

but even if there were , which theres not ....is there really only one 'view' allowed in our liittle satelite , state conrolled entity around here now about lyon and his efforts ?

It's created a belief that your either in one camp or the other.

with us or against us .....now where have i heard that before

the behaviour around here , created exactly what it was trying to create

but its still just propaganda

imo


propaganda or the australian way ....be fair

xox

valid point....Not propaganda, just trying to be diplomatic.
Thomas cops it more on here then Lyon that's for sure.

But a couple of posters, rodgerfox being one, do go the other way and are criticial of Lyon almost solely in response to the GT bashing IMO.

[asiu]

But a couple of posters, rodgerfox being one, do go the other way and are criticial of Lyon almost solely in response to the GT bashing IMO.

c'mon hd



fox includes (consistently*) examples of irony involving the old words used about gt , and the new old words used about lyon

other comments about lyon are separatly inspired

* and good on him



theres no one else

who ?






and you mod people let the mob go hard at him as well ....thats whats embarrasing ....not what he writes

and more than one of your mob by the looks of it now

imo


which disapoints me a bit

x

[saintsRrising]

For a reasonablly balanced article (including credit to GT for some aspects) have a read of:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... -j76y.html


But the lean and mean model left Butterss and co vulnerable to accusations that they were not doing enough to harvest the team's talent. In late 2006, a senior coach from another club said coaching the St Kilda list was akin to being offered sex with Elle Macpherson.


...

....

On the afternoon when he met the '66 team at the reunion, Lyon made no promises. He told them that premierships were difficult to win - a self-evident fact for that gathering. But he gave them a hint of his coaching style by using a favourite phrase: ''Let the cobblers do the cobbling.'' In team Lyon, every person had a specific job.

''Everyone was very impressed,'' said Stewart, a former South Melbourne and briefly Carlton coach, who added of Lyon's 2009 season: ''Ross Lyon is the coach of the year, regardless of the result.''


...

...

The judgment rendered by the broader football industry was that St Kilda had been foiled by inadequate injury management, bad luck and, to some degree, by the absence of a rigorous and strongly defined game style - all issues that a methodical Lyon would redress.

GT played a role in the Saints rising and credit to him for that. But he reached his use by date and was in the end holding the Saints back.

We are the better for appointing Lyon. Of that I have no doubt.

As posted earlier in the thread...

[saint66au]

But a couple of posters, rodgerfox being one, do go the other way and are criticial of Lyon almost solely in response to the GT bashing IMO.

c'mon hd



fox includes (consistently*) examples of irony involving the old words used about gt , and the new old words used about lyon

other comments about lyon are separatly inspired

* and good on him



theres no one else

who ?






and you mod people let the mob go hard at him as well ....thats whats embarrasing ....not what he writes

and more than one of your mob by the looks of it now

imo


which disapoints me a bit

x

You are of course entitled to your opinion gaz but the more I read Rodg's posts..the more I think he puts getting up peoples noses ahead of actually advancing any discussion meaningfully.

Forever answering questions with questions, only ever posting in threads concerning coaching...he's clever and subtle at times..but I think he posts to get a reaction rather than offering something that's genuinely his opinion.

I reckon we are the mice in his little treadmill

Just my opinion of course