Ross cant do much more than this???

[stinger]

post of the month....

Sig of the month Sting... Gawd Newman's a waste of oxygen, his next angry ex needs to back over him in a heavier car.

nah....he's okay .....i used to dislike him ...but i suppose he's entertaining.....and that's the industry he works in.....he's right in his quoted quote though...dead right.....it's a view i agree with ...

[asiu]

yea , i remember calling him a grub once ,

but he does the 'dirty work' when he's needed

[stinger]

yea , i remember calling him a grub once ,

but he does the 'dirty work' when he's needed

very perceptive of you gazza.....

[asiu]

grant will get his hands dirty as well

in fact they worked together i thought over the umps and dimmy

[Teflon]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.

[SydneySainter]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.

While I wasn't keen on Ben Cousins, I would have supported the decision had the club recruited him. My biggest concern about Cousins was that had we recruited him, we would have fallen into the exact same trap that Richmond supporters had, immediately expected miracles from him.

When compared to the Lovett saga, hindsight says Cousins would have been safe as houses. But we have no way of knowing what would have happened had he been a Saint. Different club, different team-mates, different training track, different fixture.

Had he worked, the club would have been nationally praised for being the only one's balliest enough to take a risk. Had he failed, all of a sudden, everyone says 'I told you so' and it's no longer a risk, it's plain 'stupidity'.
Lovett is no different in the 'hindsight' category.

[Teflon]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.

While I wasn't keen on Ben Cousins, I would have supported the decision had the club recruited him. My biggest concern about Cousins was that had we recruited him, we would have fallen into the exact same trap that Richmond supporters had, immediately expected miracles from him.

When compared to the Lovett saga, hindsight says Cousins would have been safe as houses. But we have no way of knowing what would have happened had he been a Saint. Different club, different team-mates, different training track, different fixture.

Had he worked, the club would have been nationally praised for being the only one's balliest enough to take a risk. Had he failed, all of a sudden, everyone says 'I told you so' and it's no longer a risk, it's plain 'stupidity'.
Lovett is no different in the 'hindsight' category.

checkmy posts - I wasnt calling for the club to take Cousins "in hindsight"....and sure....its a different environment from Richmond to St Kilda......but Id back our culture over theirs anyday (a side sitting on the bottom Vs a side challenging for a flag.....) and Cousins is at least a proven finals/Premiership player...Lovetts had 1 good yr..

[SydneySainter]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.

While I wasn't keen on Ben Cousins, I would have supported the decision had the club recruited him. My biggest concern about Cousins was that had we recruited him, we would have fallen into the exact same trap that Richmond supporters had, immediately expected miracles from him.

When compared to the Lovett saga, hindsight says Cousins would have been safe as houses. But we have no way of knowing what would have happened had he been a Saint. Different club, different team-mates, different training track, different fixture.

Had he worked, the club would have been nationally praised for being the only one's balliest enough to take a risk. Had he failed, all of a sudden, everyone says 'I told you so' and it's no longer a risk, it's plain 'stupidity'.
Lovett is no different in the 'hindsight' category.

checkmy posts - I wasnt calling for the club to take Cousins "in hindsight"....and sure....its a different environment from Richmond to St Kilda......but Id back our culture over theirs anyday (a side sitting on the bottom Vs a side challenging for a flag.....) and Cousins is at least a proven finals/Premiership player...Lovetts had 1 good yr..

I know I haven't agreed with you on the Ben Cousins front in the past but I do admit that a fully fit Ben Cousins would have been a fantastic asset on grand final day.

I think that if BC was on the market in last years draft, the club may have had a different perspective. In the 08 draft, BC was regarded as being the player we needed to carry our midfield, as we were not rated as being a possible flag contender without him, whereas now he would be regarded as being a player that would complement our midfield. Though I understand that our sponsors would have still had something to say about it.

At the same time Richmond were rated as a big improver and the addition of BC was more of a luxury than a necessity. I'm not saying him solely being there undid their finals chances, more that they way over-estimated just how good they thought they were.

What still doesn't sell me on the possible recruitment of Cousins is the mass hype he generates. Had he been drafted, I would have supported it, but I would have been very disappointed if there was a mass army of supporters flocking to his first training session like it was grand final week and paid $500 just to have your photo taken with the team. But at the same time our club wouldn't have supported a bar of that kind of hype, whereas Richmond clearly encouraged it. But what also doesn't sell me was the fact that we could have practically got him for free in the national draft but he ended up no where. Why was no one at the time willing to take the risk on one of the best mid-fielders the competition had ever seen, especially since he was super-keen to prove he was worth it?

[Teflon]

I hear you with regards to other cluns shying away from Cousins at that time but you need to remember he was damaged goods, had a doco in his back pocket and that alone frightened many clubs away.

That said, I still believe we have the cluture/playing group and coach to have handled that - Im sure Ross Lyon wouldnt be allowing 5,000 at training just to see Ben....

Anyway its all academic - we punted this year on Lovett and lost so maybe we focus internally for our developing players and hope they fill any gaps.

[degruch]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.

Cousins isn't a running goal kicking midfielder, he's a drifting halfback. Lovett is a running goal kicking midfielder...that's why we hired him.

[Teflon]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.

Cousins isn't a running goal kicking midfielder, he's a drifting halfback. Lovett is a running goal kicking midfielder...that's why we hired him.

err...no...Ben Cousins made his name as a running,goal kicking mid -often compared to Harvey with his running ability.

He aint no half back......surely you jest?

[Milton66]

Ben Cousins wouldve been handy to back up Hayes GF day....but alas....the do gooders reckon he was to much trouble....how ironic now with the Lovett mess...

Wasn't really fussed with BC, but equally wasn't fussed when we didn't get him, as he was a 'nice to have', not a 'need to have'. Lovett's a bit different, could see him as being very handy indeed, adding some spark to the team that, up to now, has been somewhat missing. The behaviour off-field of either player didn't factor into it...until now.

Running goal kicking midfielder? ....I dont see that we have that many to be honest.....I also think the coach was bashing his head agains the brick wall trying to get Luke Ball to run and carry (something Cousins game is built on) only to fail.

Ben Cousins wouldve been an absolute asset GF dayin support of Hayes....not to mention his experience in having been there.

Yes, in hidnsight yes. And he would have been better value than Luke Ball IMO.

Any suggestion he wouldnt have been is sheer nonsense.