today - List lodgement 3?

[saintly]

anyone know what the final outcome was with moran, and nsw scholarship players?

[Nicky]

Hopefully they delisted Kosi & Milney.

[saintbrat]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
permission to train list

ST KILDA
David Moran (Ireland)

[St Fidelius]

I notice that Freo has invited Alex Silvagni (Casey) to train, there were calls from posters a couple of years back that he should at least be looked at for the Saints when the Club was aligned with the Scorpions.

[St Fidelius]

Good to see Moran mentioned ...

There are a couple of interesting names from other clubs...

Richmond - Josh Free (North Ballarat)

Port - Derick Wanganeen (Port Magpies)

Collingwood - Kristopher Pendlebury (Collingwood, VFL)

[bobmurray]

From the AFL.....

Adelaide, Essendon, North Melbourne and the Sydney Swans have listed overseas rookies.

The Crows have taken Brian Donnelly from County Louth, Essendon has selected Michael Quinn from County Longford, North Melbourne has picked Conor Meredith from County Laois, and County Tyrone's Kyle Coney and Canadian rugby international Michael Pyke have joined the Swans.

Five NSW scholarship listed players have been added to club rookie lists: Scott Reed [Collingwood], Ranga Ediriwickrama [Geelong], William Sierakowski [Hawthorn], Blake McGrath [St Kilda] and Christopher Ogle [Western Bulldogs].

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/ ... wsId=70538

[saintly]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
permission to train list

ST KILDA
David Moran (Ireland)

Moran was already on the permission to train list.

is he part of the rookie system? and what about the nsw scholarships players?

[saintly]

From the AFL.....

Adelaide, Essendon, North Melbourne and the Sydney Swans have listed overseas rookies.

The Crows have taken Brian Donnelly from County Louth, Essendon has selected Michael Quinn from County Longford, North Melbourne has picked Conor Meredith from County Laois, and County Tyrone's Kyle Coney and Canadian rugby international Michael Pyke have joined the Swans.

Five NSW scholarship listed players have been added to club rookie lists: Scott Reed [Collingwood], Ranga Ediriwickrama [Geelong], William Sierakowski [Hawthorn], Blake McGrath [St Kilda] and Christopher Ogle [Western Bulldogs].

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/ ... wsId=70538

thats a 2008 article.

The remaining key dates in the lead-up to the 2008 NAB Pre-Season Draft and 2008 NAB Rookie Draft are as follows:

* Wed Dec 3, 3pm - List Lodgement 3 and TPP Estimates.

[ace]

The club had to pre select David Moran, Josh Duncan and Ted Widmer by 2PM Tuesday if they wanted to rookie any of them.
They had until 2PM today Wednesday to submit their list Lodgement No3.

There has been no announcements so I think it would be safe to say none of the above will be rookied by St Kilda - at least not this year.
Unlike Port Adelaide it would also seem the club did not clear any space for a pre-season draft pick.

The permission to train list retains David Moran.
He is probably listed because he was on it 2 weeks ago but it means he can still train with the hope that St Kilda will pick him up next year.

[saintly]

The club had to pre select David Moran, Josh Duncan and Ted Widmer by 2PM Tuesday if they wanted to rookie any of them.
They had until 2PM today Wednesday to submit their list Lodgement No3.

There has been no announcements so I think it would be safe to say none of the above will be rookied by St Kilda - at least not this year.
Unlike POrt Adelaide it would also seem the club did not clear any s[ace for a pre-season draft pick.

The permission to train list retains David Moran.
He is probably listed because he was on it 2 weeks ago but it means he can still train with the hope that St Kilda will pick him up next year.

can stkilda retain Josh Duncan and Ted Widmer on the NSW scholarship list. are they too old to stay on it? or are they gone?

[bobmurray]

From the AFL.....

Adelaide, Essendon, North Melbourne and the Sydney Swans have listed overseas rookies.

The Crows have taken Brian Donnelly from County Louth, Essendon has selected Michael Quinn from County Longford, North Melbourne has picked Conor Meredith from County Laois, and County Tyrone's Kyle Coney and Canadian rugby international Michael Pyke have joined the Swans.

Five NSW scholarship listed players have been added to club rookie lists: Scott Reed [Collingwood], Ranga Ediriwickrama [Geelong], William Sierakowski [Hawthorn], Blake McGrath [St Kilda] and Christopher Ogle [Western Bulldogs].

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/ ... wsId=70538

thats a 2008 article.

The remaining key dates in the lead-up to the 2008 NAB Pre-Season Draft and 2008 NAB Rookie Draft are as follows:

* Wed Dec 3, 3pm - List Lodgement 3 and TPP Estimates.

Oh....

[ace]

The pre-season draft looks like it is going to be

1. Melbourne = Joel MacDonald
2. Richmond = To Be Decided
3. Fremantle = Adam Mc Phee
4. Sydney= Daniel Bradshaw.
5. West Coast = To Be Decided
6. Port Adelaide = Most probably Cameron Cloke
7. Essendon = To Be Decided

Subject to teams total player payment estimates indicating that the clubs can afford another senior player within thier salary caps.

[ace]

The club had to pre select David Moran, Josh Duncan and Ted Widmer by 2PM Tuesday if they wanted to rookie any of them.
They had until 2PM today Wednesday to submit their list Lodgement No3.

There has been no announcements so I think it would be safe to say none of the above will be rookied by St Kilda - at least not this year.
Unlike POrt Adelaide it would also seem the club did not clear any s[ace for a pre-season draft pick.

The permission to train list retains David Moran.
He is probably listed because he was on it 2 weeks ago but it means he can still train with the hope that St Kilda will pick him up next year.

can stkilda retain Josh Duncan and Ted Widmer on the NSW scholarship list. are they too old to stay on it? or are they gone?

They are effectively cut loose.
Josh Duncan certainly nominated for the National Draft and can now be rookied by anyone that wants him.

[bobmurray]

How successful has the NSW scholarship set up been...have any of the players recruited via from that scheme cut the mustard.....

[Milan Faletic]

Good to see "Nicky" got the right response

[goodie]

How successful has the NSW scholarship set up been...have any of the players recruited via from that scheme cut the mustard.....

McGrath's still got a decent shot

[saintbrat]

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. King, Steven
22. Koschitzke, Justin
23. Lovett, Andrew
24. Lynch, Tom
25. McEvoy, Ben
26. McQualter, Andrew
27. Miles, Luke
28. Milne, Stephen
29. Montagna, Leigh
30. Pattison, Adam
31. Peake, Brett
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Smith, Jesse
37. Stanley, Rhys
38. Steven, Jack
39. Winmar, Nicholas
Rookie list
1. Gaertner, Steven
2. McGrath, Blake
3. Simpkin, Tom
4. Walsh, Tommy
5.
6.
7.
8.

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
NAB AFL Draft: Will Johnson (Sandringham Zebras), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Nicholas Winmar (Claremont)

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (second list lodgement), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher (second list lodgement), Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

[ace]

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. King, Steven
22. Koschitzke, Justin
23. Lovett, Andrew
24. Lynch, Tom
25. McEvoy, Ben
26. McQualter, Andrew
27. Miles, Luke
28. Milne, Stephen
29. Montagna, Leigh
30. Pattison, Adam
31. Peake, Brett
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Smith, Jesse
37. Stanley, Rhys
38. Steven, Jack
39. Winmar, Nicholas
Rookie list
1. Gaertner, Steven
2. McGrath, Blake
3. Simpkin, Tom
4. Walsh, Tommy
5.
6.
7.
8.

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
NAB AFL Draft: Will Johnson (Sandringham Zebras), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Nicholas Winmar (Claremont)

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (second list lodgement), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher (second list lodgement), Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

That article is dated 27 November which means it is List Lodgement No2 plus known changes due to the National Draft plus public statements (e.g. Stenglein retirement).

We are still waiting for the official List Lodgements No3 anyone at AFL.com.au!

[ace]

The order of the rookie draft is affected by picks being disqualified due to players continuing as rookies.

Assuming that there were no more pre-selections made between List Lodgement No2 and List Lodgement No3, the order of the Pre-Season and Rookie draft before disqualifications would look like this.
Sydney And Brisbane can make zone selections on the day of the Rookie Draft.

Disqualified picks are in red.



PRE SEASON DRAFT
1. Melbourne
2. Richmond
3. Fremantle
4. Sydney
5. West Coast
6. Port Adelaide
7. Essendon

ROOKIE DRAFT
Priority Round
1. Gold Coast 1
2. Gold Coast 2
3. Gold Coast 3
4. Gold Coast 4
5. Gold Coast 5

1st Round
6. Melbourne 1
7. Richmond 1
8. Fremantle 1
9. North Melbourne 1
10. Sydney 1
11. West Coast 1
12. Port Adelaide 1
13. Hawthorn 1
14. Essendon 1
15. Carlton 1
16. Brisbane 1
17. Adelaide 1
18. Collingwood 1
19. Western Bulldogs 1
20. St Kilda 1
21. Geelong 1

2nd Round
22. Melbourne 2
23. Richmond 2
24. Fremantle 2
25. North Melbourne 2
26. Sydney 2
27. West Coast 2
28. Port Adelaide 2
29. Hawthorn 2
30. Essendon 2
31. Carlton 2
32. Brisbane 2
33. Adelaide 2
34. Collingwood 2
35. Western Bulldogs 2
36. St Kilda 2
37. Geelong 2

3rd Round
38. Melbourne 3*
39. Richmond 3
40. Fremantle 3*
41. North Melbourne 3*
42. Sydney 3
43. West Coast 3
44. Port Adelaide 3
45. Hawthorn 3 – Pre Selected Former Scholarship only = Michael Johnson
46. Essendon 3
47. Carlton 3
48. Brisbane 3
49. Adelaide 3
50. Collingwood 3
51. Western Bulldogs 3
52. St Kilda 3
53. Geelong 3

4th Round
54. Melbourne 4*
55. Richmond 4
56. Fremantle 4*
57. North Melbourne 4*
58. Sydney 4
59. West Coast 4
60. Port Adelaide 4
61. Hawthorn 4*
62. Essendon 4
63. Carlton 4
64. Brisbane 4
65. Adelaide 4 - Pre Selected Former Scholarship only = Aiden Reilly
66. Collingwood 4*
67. Western Bulldogs 4
68. St Kilda 4
69. Geelong 4

5th Round
70. Melbourne 5*
71. Richmond 5
72. Fremantle 5*
73. North Melbourne 5*
74. Sydney 5
75. West Coast 5*
76. Port Adelaide 5- Pre Selected 3 Year Non Registered = Daniel Bass
77. Hawthorn
78. Essendon 5
79. Carlton 5 - Pre Selected International = Peter Labi (PNG)
80. Brisbane 5
81. Adelaide 5*
82. Collingwood 5*
83. Western Bulldogs 5
84. St Kilda 5 - Pre Selected International = Tommy Walsh (Ireland)
85. Geelong 5*

6th Round
86. Melbourne
87. Richmond 6
88. Fremantle
89. North Melbourne
90. Sydney 6** - Pre Selected Zone or Pre-Selected Former Scholarship only = Nathan Gordon
91. West Coast 6*
92. Port Adelaide 6 - Pre Selected Former Scholarship only = Jordan Johns
93. Hawthorn
94. Essendon 6 *
95. Carlton 6 - Pre Selected International = Zach Tuohy (Ireland)
96. Brisbane 6
97. Adelaide 6*
98. Collingwood
99. Western Bulldogs 6*
100. St Kilda 6*
101. Geelong 6*

7th Round
102. Melbourne
103. Richmond 7*
104. Fremantle
105. North Melbourne
106. Sydney 7**- Can only be Pre Selected Zone or Pre-Selected Former Scholarship
107. West Coast 7*
108. Port Adelaide 7*
109. Hawthorn
110. Essendon 7*
111. Carlton 7*
112. Brisbane 7 ** - Can only be Pre Selected Zone or Pre-Selected Former Scholarship
113. Adelaide
114. Collingwood
115. Western Bulldogs 7
116. St Kilda 7*
117. Geelong 7

8th Round
118. Melbourne
119. Richmond 8*
120. Fremantle
121. North Melbourne122. Sydney 8**- Can only be Pre Selected Zone or Pre-Selected Former Scholarship
123. West Coast
124. Port Adelaide 8*
125. Hawthorn
126. Essendon 8*
127. Carlton 8*128. Brisbane 8 ** - Can only be Pre Selected Zone or Pre-Selected Former Scholarship
129. Adelaide
130. Collingwood
131. Western Bulldogs 8*
132. St Kilda
133. Geelong

9th Round
134. Melbourne
135. Richmond 9*
136. Fremantle
137. North Melbourne
138. Sydney
139. West Coast
140. Port Adelaide
141. Hawthorn
142. Essendon
143. Carlton 9*
144. Brisbane 9** - Can only be Pre Selected Zone or Pre-Selected Former Scholarship
145. Adelaide
146. Collingwood
147. Western Bulldogs
148. St Kilda
149. Geelong

RED indicates pick is ineligible normally due to no vacancy
* = Selection reserved for Pre-Selected Former Scholarship only
** = Selection reserved for Pre-Selected Former Scholarship or Pre Selected Zone only

[ace]

Removing the disqualified picks leaves the drafts looking like this.


PRE SEASON DRAFT
1. Melbourne
2. Richmond
3. Fremantle
4. Sydney
5. West Coast
6. Port Adelaide
7. Essendon


ROOKIE DRAFT
Priority Round
1. Gold Coast 1
2. Gold Coast 2
3. Gold Coast 3
4. Gold Coast 4
5. Gold Coast 5

1st Round
6. Melbourne 1
7. Richmond 1
8. Fremantle 1
9. North Melbourne 1
10. Sydney 1
11. West Coast 1
12. Port Adelaide 1
13. Hawthorn 1
14. Essendon 1
15. Carlton 1
16. Brisbane 1
17. Adelaide 1
18. Collingwood 1
19. Western Bulldogs 1
20. St Kilda 1
21. Geelong 1

2nd Round
22. Melbourne 2
23. Richmond 2
24. Fremantle 2
25. North Melbourne 2
26. Sydney 2
27. West Coast 2
28. Port Adelaide 2
29. Hawthorn 2
30. Essendon 2
31. Carlton 2
32. Brisbane 2
33. Adelaide 2
34. Collingwood 2
35. Western Bulldogs 2
36. St Kilda 2
37. Geelong 2

3rd Round
38. Richmond 3
39. Sydney 3
40. West Coast 3
41. Port Adelaide 3
42. Hawthorn 3* – Pre Selected Former Scholarship = Michael Johnson
43. Essendon 3
44. Carlton 3
45. Brisbane 3
46. Adelaide 3
47. Collingwood 3 - Pre Selected International = Seamus MacNamara (USA)
48. Western Bulldogs 3
49. St Kilda 3
50. Geelong 3

4th Round
51. Richmond 4
52. Sydney 4
53. West Coast 4
54. Port Adelaide 4
55. Essendon 4
56. Carlton 4
57. Brisbane 4
58. Adelaide 4* - Pre Selected Former Scholarship = Aiden Reilly
59. Western Bulldogs 4
60. St Kilda 4
61. Geelong 4

5th Round
62. Richmond 5
63. Sydney 5 - Pre Selected International = Chris McKaigue (Ireland)
64. Port Adelaide 5- Pre Selected 3 Year Non Registered = Daniel Bass
65. Essendon 5
66. Carlton 5 - Pre Selected International = Peter Labi (PNG)
67. Brisbane 5
68. Western Bulldogs 5
69. St Kilda 5 - Pre Selected International = Tommy Walsh (Ireland)

6th Round
70. Richmond 6 - Pre Selected International = James O'Reilly (Ireland)
71. Sydney 6** - Pre-Selected Former Scholarship = Nathan Gordon
72. Port Adelaide 6* - Pre Selected Former Scholarship = Jordan Johns
73. Carlton 6 - Pre Selected International = Zach Tuohy (Ireland)
74. Brisbane 6

7th Round
75. Sydney 7**- Pre Selected Zone
76. Brisbane 7 ** - Pre Selected Zone

8th Round
77. Sydney 8**- Pre Selected Zone
78. Brisbane 8 ** - Pre Selected Zone

9th Round
79. Brisbane 9** - Pre Selected Zone

[ace]

St Kilda's first 2 rookie picks will be at 20 and 36

But the 3rd round pick is advanced 3 places to 49 due to Melbourne, Fremantle and North Melbourne's retention of more rookies.
It becomes the 48th free pick due to Hawthorn's scholarship upgrade.

The 4th round picks is then advanced an additional 5 places to 60 due to Hawthorn and Collingwood's retention of more rookies.
It becomes the 58th free pick due to Adelaide's scholarship upgrade.

Tommy Walsh will then be called at pick 69.
He will replace the 63rd free pick in the rookie draft.

Melbourne, Fremantle, Sydney and maybe Port Adelaide seem committed to recycled player in the Pre Season Draft.
This means there could be 3 or 4 free picks ahead of the Rookie Draft.