Adam Pattison & Jesse Smith

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Re: Adam Pattison & Jesse Smith

Post: # 861855Post SainterK »

TassieJones wrote:
snippa wrote:Surely you jest..... :roll:

Young kids please!!!!!
are you joking? we picked up what 7? kids last year plus rookies. smith is still young and if he stays injury free may actually play in a flag in the next couple of years unlike a kid we'd pick in the 60's. was widely regarded as the best player in his draft and i am glad we got him.

patto on the other hand... wtf? mcevoy and stanley are plenty of back up i would have thought
But shouldn't we be picking up the best available player, it's all well and good targeting a certain position, but what if they are not very good?


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plugger66 wrote:Smith is worth the punt. Probably finished but no real problem. Patterson is a wasted pick or RL just doesnt rate McEvoy.
said the exact same thing bout dawson last year !!! give RL some credit he obviously sees somthing in the bloke good luck to him


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st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Smith is worth the punt. Probably finished but no real problem. Patterson is a wasted pick or RL just doesnt rate McEvoy.
said the exact same thing bout dawson last year !!! give RL some credit he obviously sees somthing in the bloke good luck to him
You pick dawson I pick Begley. You pick Schneider I pick Clarke.


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I really cant understand why ppl are upset with some players that have already played.

why do we want kids? our time is now.. why get kids and then never achieve greatness? Are you all a bit slow?

we want to win a flag, kids wont do it...


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st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Smith is worth the punt. Probably finished but no real problem. Patterson is a wasted pick or RL just doesnt rate McEvoy.
said the exact same thing bout dawson last year !!! give RL some credit he obviously sees somthing in the bloke good luck to him
Pattison is 197cm same as Koschitzke.
Has he got sufficient mobility to play as a key position player rather than as a ruckman.
He was drafted by Richmond at pick 16 in the 2004 National Draft, so someone must have rated him once.


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plugger66 wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Smith is worth the punt. Probably finished but no real problem. Patterson is a wasted pick or RL just doesnt rate McEvoy.
said the exact same thing bout dawson last year !!! give RL some credit he obviously sees somthing in the bloke good luck to him
You pick dawson I pick Begley. You pick Schneider I pick Clarke.
you take the good with the bad ... who kows how it will play out but att lease we gave it a shot ... really at pick 60+ what were you expecting ??less gamble then an unkown we can still pick as a rookie


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ace wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:
plugger66 wrote:Smith is worth the punt. Probably finished but no real problem. Patterson is a wasted pick or RL just doesnt rate McEvoy.
said the exact same thing bout dawson last year !!! give RL some credit he obviously sees somthing in the bloke good luck to him
Pattison is 197cm same as Koschitzke.
Has he got sufficient mobility to play as a key position player rather than as a ruckman.
He was drafted by Richmond at pick 16 in the 2004 National Draft, so someone must have rated him once.
i agree with you but your example isnt that good ... remember the tigers took Fiora in the top 10 !!!


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Post: # 861894Post saint66au »

Picks in the 60's are speculative whether you go for kids or recycled players

You pick a kid he could be James Hird or he could never play a game

You pick Pattinson / Smith they could blossom at their new club or they could just fall my the wayside / never get over injuries and play out their days at Sandy

Was sceptical at first but I'm warming to Pattinson. 23 is just mature in ruckmans terms and if he happens to come good Ive got a sneaky feeling RL has something in mind for Rhys Stanley in the forward line. Just a hunch

Was surprised Pattinson got delisted. His heir apparent at Richmond Andrew Browne is the biggest unco spud Ive ever seen


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Post: # 861895Post SainterK »

So he has been under the coaching of Terry for most of his career thus far?


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SainterK wrote:So he has been under the coaching of Terry for most of his career thus far?
You mean the Britney Spears of AFL coaching?

Moves his mouth a lot but says nothing


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saint66au wrote:
SainterK wrote:So he has been under the coaching of Terry for most of his career thus far?
You mean the Britney Spears of AFL coaching?

Moves his mouth a lot but says nothing
That would be the one....

Look, the guy has never really got the best out of anyone, so let's give the kid a chance to blossom under coaching staff that have a clue.


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Post: # 861923Post saintly »

well i you want to know what rich mond think about him...

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index ... ic=25179.0


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Post: # 862369Post matrix »

we have tommy walsh and now winmar

im happy


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Post: # 862376Post BAM! (shhhh) »

While not a thrilling draft by any means, it's worth noting that the "mature" players picked are still younger than the outs they'll replace (X, McGuire, Ball, Fisher).

We got younger yesterday, so while focusing on the present more than most, we still addressed the future.

From Lyon's presser, it sounds like Pattison isn't brought in to light the world on fire, he's brought in because Stanley is far from ready for the big time. He's got 2 years to make more of himself than an insurance policy for the cost of a late draft pick. As a 23 year old tall, that's not a bad risk/reward pick at 64 in a shallow draft.


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Post: # 862389Post White Winmar »

They did plenty of homework on Winmar. He wasn't picked because of his name. Our recruiting team is one of the best going around. A decent pick up IMHO, who will play plenty of senior football. Don't forget the rookie draft. We've got our eye on a few who surprisingly missed out this time around. We could, and probably will, still get a couple of good kids in.


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Post: # 862397Post Spinner »

At pick 60 you are not selecting best available.

You are selecting best available in a particular position.


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