Lovett Caught Drinking

[Teflon]

Again a thread hijacked by Dodg constantly contradicting himself to purely bait posters and make it about him.

Isnt baiting against SS rules?

Its farily obvious....the old stool needs a spell to "think things through" and allow genuine footy discussion to occur.

I say 4 years.

Mods?

[rodgerfox]

You can question, but you are firm in your convictions regarding Ross aren't you, and it's not as if anyone is going sway you?

I have opinions, but I'm not really a believer in having 'convictions' on matters such as this.
I keep an open mind on everything, based on what I see, experience and hear.
So I can be swayed on anything.

And that's basically my point, why should we 'have faith' in Ross Lyon's decisions?

And that's what the original request was. It was in relation to Lovett and us having blind faith in Lyon's decisions....just because.

To me, open mind or not, isn't a great or strong case for the Defence.

Surely I don't need to write another essay on my actual thoughts on Lyon again? As opposed to what people have dreamt up to be my thoughts.

As for blind faith? I can't answer for anyone else, but in my case I take more of a realist approach.

Tell me this, if you wrote two columns, one for the improvements in 2009 and one for the steps backwards, which column would win?

[/quote]

Ok, but it's not as simple as that.

Recruitment went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
It went horribly backwards if you look at the finals.

Fitness went forward.

Injury Management went forward (although BJ getting hurt, Zac getting sick and Roo popping an ab probably killed us in the end).

The Draw went forward (even though 08 was pretty good too).

Skills went backwards.

Selection went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Game day coaching went forwards in the H&A.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Teamwork and less reliance on stars went forward for the first half of the year.
Second half of the season and finals it disappeared almost completely.

[markp]

Yup, we obviously went backwards in some key areas in the 2009 finals compared to the previous year.... but it was always going to be hard to top winning the flag in 2008.

For god's sake, stop feeding the cretin.

[rodgerfox]

Yup, we obviously went backwards in some key areas in the 2009 finals.... but it was always going to pretty hard to top winning the flag in 2008.

For god's sake, stop feeding to cretin.

Even to the simplest mind, surely it was obvious that I wasn't comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals.

I was comparing 2008 as a whole, and highlighting that whilst we improved dramatically on 2008 throughout the 2009 H&A season, when it came to crunch time we hadn't really improved at all.

[markp]

Yup, we obviously went backwards in some key areas in the 2009 finals.... but it was always going to pretty hard to top winning the flag in 2008.

For god's sake, stop feeding to cretin.

Even to the simplest mind, surely it was obvious that I wasn't comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals.

I was comparing 2008 as a whole, and highlighting that whilst we improved dramatically on 2008 throughout the 2009 H&A season, when it came to crunch time we hadn't really improved at all.

Where did I say you were comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals?

Liar.

[rodgerfox]

Yup, we obviously went backwards in some key areas in the 2009 finals.... but it was always going to pretty hard to top winning the flag in 2008.

For god's sake, stop feeding to cretin.

Even to the simplest mind, surely it was obvious that I wasn't comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals.

I was comparing 2008 as a whole, and highlighting that whilst we improved dramatically on 2008 throughout the 2009 H&A season, when it came to crunch time we hadn't really improved at all.

Where did I say you were comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals?

Liar.

Oh dear.


I never said you said that at all. If you going to be a smart arse, you've got to be smart. Otherwise it's very cringe worthy.

[markp]

Yup, we obviously went backwards in some key areas in the 2009 finals.... but it was always going to pretty hard to top winning the flag in 2008.

For god's sake, stop feeding to cretin.

Even to the simplest mind, surely it was obvious that I wasn't comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals.

I was comparing 2008 as a whole, and highlighting that whilst we improved dramatically on 2008 throughout the 2009 H&A season, when it came to crunch time we hadn't really improved at all.

Where did I say you were comparing the 2008 finals to the 2009 finals?

Liar.

Oh dear.


I never said you said that at all. If you going to be a smart arse, you've got to be smart. Otherwise it's very cringe worthy.

Says he!

Gold.

I never said you said I said that by the way.

[markp]

C'mon Rodge, give us something else to laugh at... maybe DEMAND another apology, for your first attempt at humour it wasn't too bad.

[SainterK]

You can question, but you are firm in your convictions regarding Ross aren't you, and it's not as if anyone is going sway you?

I have opinions, but I'm not really a believer in having 'convictions' on matters such as this.
I keep an open mind on everything, based on what I see, experience and hear.
So I can be swayed on anything.

And that's basically my point, why should we 'have faith' in Ross Lyon's decisions?

And that's what the original request was. It was in relation to Lovett and us having blind faith in Lyon's decisions....just because.

To me, open mind or not, isn't a great or strong case for the Defence.

Surely I don't need to write another essay on my actual thoughts on Lyon again? As opposed to what people have dreamt up to be my thoughts.

As for blind faith? I can't answer for anyone else, but in my case I take more of a realist approach.

Tell me this, if you wrote two columns, one for the improvements in 2009 and one for the steps backwards, which column would win?

Ok, but it's not as simple as that.

Recruitment went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
It went horribly backwards if you look at the finals.

Fitness went forward.

Injury Management went forward (although BJ getting hurt, Zac getting sick and Roo popping an ab probably killed us in the end).

The Draw went forward (even though 08 was pretty good too).

Skills went backwards.

Selection went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Game day coaching went forwards in the H&A.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Teamwork and less reliance on stars went forward for the first half of the year.
Second half of the season and finals it disappeared almost completely.[/quote]

I am confused, you are comparing 2009 with 2009?

I meant in comparison to the year previous, not the H&A season v the finals?

[joffaboy]

So Lovett's drinking is the casue of why Ross Lyon isn't a good coach and we didn't win the 2009 Flag?

I am confused how this thread was jacked into the usual anti Lyon diatribe that happens when a certain poster comes on board.

Oh BTW I didn't say that, so dont call me

.LIAR

[fingers]

So Lovett's drinking is the casue of why Ross Lyon isn't a good coach and we didn't win the 2009 Flag?

I am confused how this thread was jacked into the usual anti Lyon diatribe that happens when a certain poster comes on board.

Oh BTW I didn't say that, so dont call me

.LIAR

Liar.... oh and good use of the word "diatribe"

[bigcarl]

Teamwork and less reliance on stars went forward for the first half of the year. Second half of the season and finals it disappeared almost completely.

without riewoldt's goals against collingwood and the bulldogs we were in a lot of trouble, so i agree this is an area in which we must improve.

[35...LEGEND]

You can question, but you are firm in your convictions regarding Ross aren't you, and it's not as if anyone is going sway you?

I have opinions, but I'm not really a believer in having 'convictions' on matters such as this.
I keep an open mind on everything, based on what I see, experience and hear.
So I can be swayed on anything.

And that's basically my point, why should we 'have faith' in Ross Lyon's decisions?

And that's what the original request was. It was in relation to Lovett and us having blind faith in Lyon's decisions....just because.

To me, open mind or not, isn't a great or strong case for the Defence.

Surely I don't need to write another essay on my actual thoughts on Lyon again? As opposed to what people have dreamt up to be my thoughts.

As for blind faith? I can't answer for anyone else, but in my case I take more of a realist approach.

Tell me this, if you wrote two columns, one for the improvements in 2009 and one for the steps backwards, which column would win?

[b]Injury Management[/b] went forward (although BJ getting hurt, Zac getting sick and Roo popping an ab probably killed us in the end).

quote]

OH ..... I was sure it was Ross who "killed us in the end"

Now I'm confused

[bigred]

Oh this thread wins.

[joffaboy]

So Lovett's drinking is the casue of why Ross Lyon isn't a good coach and we didn't win the 2009 Flag?

I am confused how this thread was jacked into the usual anti Lyon diatribe that happens when a certain poster comes on board.

Oh BTW I didn't say that, so dont call me

.LIAR

Liar.... oh and good use of the word "diatribe"

Well thanks.

it was eiither diatribe or diaphanousnesses (in context of course) but I cant spell diaphanousnesses.

Oh.

.LIAR

[barks4eva]

Again a thread hijacked by Dodg constantly contradicting himself to purely bait posters and make it about him.

Isnt baiting against SS rules?

Its farily obvious....the old stool needs a spell to "think things through" and allow genuine footy discussion to occur.

I say 4 years.

Mods?

I say permanently!

[SainterK]

There are plenty of reasons for banning, but disliking Ross is not really one of them is it...

I actually think that for someone who is adamant in his dislike of the coach, he almost seems to want to be convinced otherwise.

Then again, maybe not...

I will continue to post with RF as long as it's discussion, and to be fair, a poster did ask the forum to have faith, and he was asking that particular poster to explain why?

Which actually seems fair and reasonable?

Or not?

[Milan Faletic]

Starting to feel sorry for Lovett. He has been caught drinking for weeks now. Maybe we should take the debate off that thread and put the guy out of his misery.

[asiu]

di⋅aph⋅a⋅nous

nice word joff



u do have a sensitive side

[rodgerfox]

OH ..... I was sure it was Ross who "killed us in the end"

Now I'm confused

Why were you sure of that?

You've used quotation marks which suggests that someone actually said that. Who? It's quite silly.

[maverick]

You can question, but you are firm in your convictions regarding Ross aren't you, and it's not as if anyone is going sway you?

I have opinions, but I'm not really a believer in having 'convictions' on matters such as this.
I keep an open mind on everything, based on what I see, experience and hear.
So I can be swayed on anything.

And that's basically my point, why should we 'have faith' in Ross Lyon's decisions?

And that's what the original request was. It was in relation to Lovett and us having blind faith in Lyon's decisions....just because.

To me, open mind or not, isn't a great or strong case for the Defence.

Surely I don't need to write another essay on my actual thoughts on Lyon again? As opposed to what people have dreamt up to be my thoughts.

As for blind faith? I can't answer for anyone else, but in my case I take more of a realist approach.

Tell me this, if you wrote two columns, one for the improvements in 2009 and one for the steps backwards, which column would win?

Ok, but it's not as simple as that.

Recruitment went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
It went horribly backwards if you look at the finals.

Fitness went forward.

Injury Management went forward (although BJ getting hurt, Zac getting sick and Roo popping an ab probably killed us in the end).

The Draw went forward (even though 08 was pretty good too).

Skills went backwards.

Selection went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Game day coaching went forwards in the H&A.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Teamwork and less reliance on stars went forward for the first half of the year.
Second half of the season and finals it disappeared almost completely.[/quote]]

This is the biggest load of garbage I have read on here for a while, and I know that's a big statement.

We made and would have won a GF if we could kick straight, how that makes us go severely backwards is beyond me...

[SainterK]

Because he has, and quite strangely, compared 2009 with 2009?

Given that Roger is not comprehending why people think Ross is well equipped to coach the team to a grand final win, I thought this would be a good exercise for him to honestly evaluate where the team had grown and moved forward from the year previous.

Somehow, this became seperating the H&A and the finals series, but I want him to see the growth in the side under Ross Lyons direction for the year in it's entirety.

If he cannot see that the club is moving forwards, then that's fine, but I am still waiting to see his response.

[The Craw]

these pretzels are making me thirsty.

[yipper]

You can question, but you are firm in your convictions regarding Ross aren't you, and it's not as if anyone is going sway you?

I have opinions, but I'm not really a believer in having 'convictions' on matters such as this.
I keep an open mind on everything, based on what I see, experience and hear.
So I can be swayed on anything.

And that's basically my point, why should we 'have faith' in Ross Lyon's decisions?

And that's what the original request was. It was in relation to Lovett and us having blind faith in Lyon's decisions....just because.

To me, open mind or not, isn't a great or strong case for the Defence.

Surely I don't need to write another essay on my actual thoughts on Lyon again? As opposed to what people have dreamt up to be my thoughts.

As for blind faith? I can't answer for anyone else, but in my case I take more of a realist approach.

Tell me this, if you wrote two columns, one for the improvements in 2009 and one for the steps backwards, which column would win?

Ok, but it's not as simple as that.

Recruitment went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
It went horribly backwards if you look at the finals.

Fitness went forward.

Injury Management went forward (although BJ getting hurt, Zac getting sick and Roo popping an ab probably killed us in the end).

The Draw went forward (even though 08 was pretty good too).

Skills went backwards.

Selection went forwards if you look at the H&A season.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Game day coaching went forwards in the H&A.
Backwards badly if you look at the finals.

Teamwork and less reliance on stars went forward for the first half of the year.
Second half of the season and finals it disappeared almost completely.

]

This is the biggest load of garbage I have read on here for a while, and I know that's a big statement.

We made and would have won a GF if we could kick straight, how that makes us go severely backwards is beyond me...[/quote]

Exactly - in a nutshell. Gee there is some real crap posted on here or some serious baiting - mods???

[markp]

I just hope for Dodgy's sake that Lyon has a shocker next year.

It's sad to see a one time high-class operator reduced to working the streets... with ever diminishing returns for tired and clapped-out goods.