Lovett Caught Drinking

[WinnersOnly]

Have some faith in what Lyon is doing FFS

Why?

He had a very good opportunity, and didn't take it.

Why have faith?

Because dipshit, it was Lyon who actually engineered a game plan that got us into a GRAND FINAL to begin with, a trend setter who now has other clubs trying to copy his tactics.

But for the weather which suited Geelong and some poor goal kicking with players not taking easy chances Lyon would already be a premiership coach.

We might no longer have overseas community camps setting back the clubs bottomline by hundreds of thousands of dollars and ironically the players might no longer be being groomed as UN ambassadors from someone who couldn't lie straight in bed, but gee it's nice to know that finally our players are fit for AFL football.

Glad to see the F***** priorities have been sorted, FAIR DINKUM!

Personally I couldn't give a rats if we passed on Mother Theresa or Ghandi if they happened to be in the draft, still think we should have taken Cousins, glad we took Gardiner and rapt to have Lovett.

I want to watch a team full of mongrel win a premiership and I couldn't give a continental as to whether or not they could double up as a boys choir.

As for Luke prima donna Ball, it seems that being overpaid by Thomas to the tune of 600,000 a year was in line with his opinion that he should be in the top 3 highest paid players at St Kilda, where did he finish in this years best and fairest, exactly? Anyone have the stat, top 15????????

Fact is Ball freezes in front of goal, second guesses himself, struggles to kick more than 40 metres and misses easy targets and the 3 year contract that he was offered really was a fair balancing considering he was grossly overpaid for his output in the past two seasons and the facts are that other players are more worthy of being adequately compensated than what Ball was.

So he probably intended to walk all along, cracked a hissy fit when he saw that he was only being offered around 1.1 million for 3 years and played out the year and went into a Grand Final without telling anyone, including his teammates, his intention was to walk out and leave the club.

Then he chooses Collingwood or noone, with obviously Maguire, Buckley and Malthouse blowing a whole heap of smoke up his arse.

Ball had a chance to really earn some respect and to prove that he really is a champion, but instead of staying, gutsing it out and turning it around he left like a spoilt little private school boy with an over inflated opinion of himself, chasing more dollars and seeking out an easier option.

Lyon obviously would not have been impressed by the private school boy sulking and reality check which probably started when the new contract was offered.

I always like Ball and hoped he could get back to the form and potential he showed before he was played into the ground while injured by Grant "fitness and conditioning people are overrated" Thomas, but now all I see is a player grossly overpaid cracking the sulks when his salary is brought into line to reflect what he is actually delivering.

Ball should have be embarrassed to look his teammates in the eye and to hold out his hand and take $600,000 a year over the past two years, when other better performed players were earning much less.

Ball IMHO is now just a money hungry grub, a prima donna private schoolboy, a mercenary with a very fragile ego who wants to play for the filth and noone else.

Thankgod for Ross Lyon weeding out these shallow individuals who thought the mollycoddling would go on forever.

Great summary of Luke BALL!!!

[rodgerfox]

Have some faith in what Lyon is doing FFS

Why?

He had a very good opportunity, and didn't take it.

Why have faith?

Because dipshit, it was Lyon who actually engineered a game plan that got us into a GRAND FINAL to begin with, a trend setter who now has other clubs trying to copy his tactics.

But for the weather which suited Geelong and some poor goal kicking with players not taking easy chances Lyon would already be a premiership coach.

We might no longer have overseas community camps setting back the clubs bottomline by hundreds of thousands of dollars and ironically the players might no longer be being groomed as UN ambassadors from someone who couldn't lie straight in bed, but gee it's nice to know that finally our players are fit for AFL football.

Glad to see the F***** priorities have been sorted, FAIR DINKUM!

Personally I couldn't give a rats if we passed on Mother Theresa or Ghandi if they happened to be in the draft, still think we should have taken Cousins, glad we took Gardiner and rapt to have Lovett.

I want to watch a team full of mongrel win a premiership and I couldn't give a continental as to whether or not they could double up as a boys choir.

As for Luke prima donna Ball, it seems that being overpaid by Thomas to the tune of 600,000 a year was in line with his opinion that he should be in the top 3 highest paid players at St Kilda, where did he finish in this years best and fairest, exactly? Anyone have the stat, top 15????????

Fact is Ball freezes in front of goal, second guesses himself, struggles to kick more than 40 metres and misses easy targets and the 3 year contract that he was offered really was a fair balancing considering he was grossly overpaid for his output in the past two seasons and the facts are that other players are more worthy of being adequately compensated than what Ball was.

So he probably intended to walk all along, cracked a hissy fit when he saw that he was only being offered around 1.1 million for 3 years and played out the year and went into a Grand Final without telling anyone, including his teammates, his intention was to walk out and leave the club.

Then he chooses Collingwood or noone, with obviously Maguire, Buckley and Malthouse blowing a whole heap of smoke up his arse.

Ball had a chance to really earn some respect and to prove that he really is a champion, but instead of staying, gutsing it out and turning it around he left like a spoilt little private school boy with an over inflated opinion of himself, chasing more dollars and seeking out an easier option.

Lyon obviously would not have been impressed by the private school boy sulking and reality check which probably started when the new contract was offered.

I always like Ball and hoped he could get back to the form and potential he showed before he was played into the ground while injured by Grant "fitness and conditioning people are overrated" Thomas, but now all I see is a player grossly overpaid cracking the sulks when his salary is brought into line to reflect what he is actually delivering.

Ball should have be embarrassed to look his teammates in the eye and to hold out his hand and take $600,000 a year over the past two years, when other better performed players were earning much less.

Ball IMHO is now just a money hungry grub, a prima donna private schoolboy, a mercenary with a very fragile ego who wants to play for the filth and noone else.

Thankgod for Ross Lyon weeding out these shallow individuals who thought the mollycoddling would go on forever.

Funny rant.

But Isn't Lyon's job to win flags?

He hasn't done that. He had the best opportunity that we've had in my lifetime in the palm of his hand - but he couldn't 'take us to the next step'.

Never had a draw as good as that. Never had key players available as much as they were. Never fluked teams with injuries (GF included) the way we did all year.

Why are we being asked to have faith? Based on what? We had some freakishly good fortune last year but he couldn't get us over the line. Some would argue he cost us from getting over the line.

If his job is to 'weed out shallow individuals' as you say, then I'll let you argue his effectiveness in that area with someone else. Cause frankly I couldn't give a stuff.

I'm more interested in the club winning a flag.

And as funny as your jibbering rant was, it still doesn't answer why we should have faith in the coach.

[SainterK]

Roger, faith is personal...

You choose not to trust in Lyon, you don't think he has what it takes, which is fine of course.

Others think he shown enough to be the coach that is capable of guiding the team to a grand final victory.

It makes for a good discussion, but if you're strong in your opinion of Ross, you don't really want anyone to try and convince you otherwise do you?

[PJ]

Funny rant.

Not as funny as your posts.

[Moods]

Funny rant.

But Isn't Lyon's job to win flags?

He hasn't done that. He had the best opportunity that we've had in my lifetime in the palm of his hand - but he couldn't 'take us to the next step'.

Never had a draw as good as that. Never had key players available as much as they were. Never fluked teams with injuries (GF included) the way we did all year.

Why are we being asked to have faith? Based on what? We had some freakishly good fortune last year but he couldn't get us over the line. Some would argue he cost us from getting over the line.

If his job is to 'weed out shallow individuals' as you say, then I'll let you argue his effectiveness in that area with someone else. Cause frankly I couldn't give a stuff.

I'm more interested in the club winning a flag.

And as funny as your jibbering rant was, it still doesn't answer why we should have faith in the coach.

Now that's funny

So injuries have nothing to do with the coaching staff or the fitness staff - it's left up to the lap of the gods? WE just happened to have freakishly good fortune this year, and that average coach Lyon just couldn't take advantage of that?

Funny how the cats had the same luck come GF day - or was their luck due to great planning and bringing players back slowly, as we keep hearing in the media?

Greatest opportunity ever? Ever think of giving credit to a team that is considered one of the greatest of our generation, who has only lost 10 games in the past 3 years, who most comentators concede that pound for pound in terms of ability, the saints were punching above their weight. What about the fact that the saints were 'desperately unlucky' on the day with the weather. In our team we have one of the best CHF's ever who was in career best form, and yet he strains a groin 2 days before the GF and conditions couldn't have been worse for him.

Yes we had a great opportunity - but imo 1997 was our best chance. We lost to, let's face it, a very average team in the GF. Even in 2005 - WE were the form team going into the finals, and somehow we lost to another decidedly average team in the swans. Our main threat we beat in the first final.

I've got faith in Lyon b/c if the 2009 prelim was played in 2005, we wouldn't have even had the chance to contest the GF - WHY? Because unlike previous coaches Lyon instilled in the boys a work ethic and belief that no other St Kilda coach has been able. IN 2009 we willed ourselves across the line in a prelim rather than capitulate in the last quarter. Even in the GF, despite being outplayed, the boys never threw in the towel.

Yes, Lyon has made mistakes throughout the year, hindsight gives us all that magic ability to second guess the coach. ASk any opposition supporter whether Lyon is a good coach - very few will say he's not. Very few ppl don't admire the saints. Not winning the flag is incredibly frustrating, I agree, but claiming that the coach missed his chance is about as ridiculous a statement as I've read on here. Did the coach run into an open goal in the 1st and 2nd quarter? THe coach can only do so much.

[rodgerfox]

Yes, Lyon has made mistakes throughout the year, hindsight gives us all that magic ability to second guess the coach. ASk any opposition supporter whether Lyon is a good coach - very few will say he's not. Very few ppl don't admire the saints. Not winning the flag is incredibly frustrating, I agree, but claiming that the coach missed his chance is about as ridiculous a statement as I've read on here. Did the coach run into an open goal in the 1st and 2nd quarter? THe coach can only do so much.

So to summarise, why should we have faith then? If the coach can't control the players' output on match day, what exactly am I supposed to have faith in?

[rodgerfox]

Roger, faith is personal...

You choose not to trust in Lyon, you don't think he has what it takes, which is fine of course.

That's not entirely the case.

He's obviously not useless. But in reality, if he 'had what it takes', then surely last year was the chance to display it?

Others think he shown enough to be the coach that is capable of guiding the team to a grand final victory.

I know. And all I can see as reasonibg behind this is blind faith.

We had so much go our way and only scraped into a GF, then let it slip against a team on the ropes.

What's going to different next year? It can't be expected that we'll have the same run of luck as we did this year. So if we go backwards in that sense, where's the huge improvement in other areas to compensate going to come from?


Finally, if you ask others to have faith, I'd have thought it reasonable for them to be able to question why?

[joffaboy]

What's going to different next year? It can't be expected that we'll have the same run of luck as we did this year. So if we go backwards in that sense, where's the huge improvement in other areas to compensate going to come from?

Geelong went "backwards" this year and won the flag (if you want to count H&A wins and injuries).

The basic structure and gameplan Lyon has put in place will hold us in good stead if we get injuries.

We also have tremdous depth as the game against Hawthorn in Tassie showed. We flogged the premiers without 8 of out top ten players.

Lyon has therefore

1) fixed out mismanaged soft tissue injury disaster
2) put together a gameplan that will holds us in good stead going forward
3) given the club a depth in players not seen during the modern era.

You ask - what will be different next season? Hopefully very little, except that Lovett and peake will give us much sought after explosive pace.

Anyway what was different from the end of 2008 season to the beginning of 2009 season?

Nobody expected what the Saints did.

Nobody.

[Moods]

I guess by your reasoning Rodge - the cats supporters would have no reason to have faith in bomber thompson this year. I mean they were a monty to win the flag last year - and blew it. Who cares about the dozens of extra inside 50's or easy missed chances. The coach blew it.

I've read countless times on here before where you yourself have said coaches are over rated and can only control a small percentage of the game. Game plans are over rated etc etc. NOW you're saying that the coach controls everything

[markp]

I guess by your reasoning Rodge - the cats supporters would have no reason to have faith in bomber thompson this year. I mean they were a monty to win the flag last year - and blew it. Who cares about the dozens of extra inside 50's or easy missed chances. The coach blew it.

I've read countless times on here before where you yourself have said coaches are over rated and can only control a small percentage of the game. Game plans are over rated etc etc. NOW you're saying that the coach controls everything

Liar.

[joffaboy]

I guess by your reasoning Rodge - the cats supporters would have no reason to have faith in bomber thompson this year. I mean they were a monty to win the flag last year - and blew it. Who cares about the dozens of extra inside 50's or easy missed chances. The coach blew it.

I've read countless times on here before where you yourself have said coaches are over rated and can only control a small percentage of the game. Game plans are over rated etc etc. NOW you're saying that the coach controls everything

Liar.

I DEMAND an open apology from you markp for using my sig in one of your posts.

[markp]

I guess by your reasoning Rodge - the cats supporters would have no reason to have faith in bomber thompson this year. I mean they were a monty to win the flag last year - and blew it. Who cares about the dozens of extra inside 50's or easy missed chances. The coach blew it.

I've read countless times on here before where you yourself have said coaches are over rated and can only control a small percentage of the game. Game plans are over rated etc etc. NOW you're saying that the coach controls everything

Liar.

I DEMAND an open apology from you markp for using my sig in one of your posts.

When?

[bob__71]

Rodger is a flog.

[rodgerfox]

Anyway what was different from the end of 2008 season to the beginning of 2009 season?

Nobody expected what the Saints did.

Nobody.

Luck was different.

As for expecting what the Saints did, I'd expect it from any team with the run we had.
The only difference being, that given that run, I'd expect to win the flag.

[rodgerfox]

I've read countless times on here before where you yourself have said coaches are over rated and can only control a small percentage of the game. Game plans are over rated etc etc. NOW you're saying that the coach controls everything

Ahh exactly.

So why do we all have to have this blind faith in the god that most refer to as Ross?

[joffaboy]

Anyway what was different from the end of 2008 season to the beginning of 2009 season?

Nobody expected what the Saints did.

Nobody.

Luck was different.

As for expecting what the Saints did, I'd expect it from any team with the run we had.
The only difference being, that given that run, I'd expect to win the flag.

20-2 was a fluke according to you?

[joffaboy]

I've read countless times on here before where you yourself have said coaches are over rated and can only control a small percentage of the game. Game plans are over rated etc etc. NOW you're saying that the coach controls everything

Ahh exactly.

So why do we all have to have this blind faith in the god that most refer to as Ross?

isn't this too generalised?

Like calling anybody who critisises Lyon having no faith at all???

[Milan Faletic]

The tentacles are spreading. I thought there was some news about Lovett being caught drinking.

[meher baba]

Maybe Lovett had been logging on to Saintsational to get to know some of the supporters he'd be playing for.

A thread like this one would be enough to drive anyone to drink............

[Moods]

You happily contradict yourself Rodg to whatever suits your argument. During the year our success had nothing to do with the coach or the game plan. According to you the lauding of Ross Lyon was over the top and merely had to do with the saints having a good run with injury...

Come GF day and we don't win, we lose by a kick, and the whole blame appears to be laid at the feet of Lyon b/c he couldn't get his players to kick straight.

You can't have it both ways - either coaches are over rated, in which case Lyon's impact on us winning a flag is minimal - or he failed us on GF day in which case he does have a big impact on the result, which in turn would mean he had a great deal of influence on the saints having a record winning season.

Which is it?

[SainterK]

Roger, faith is personal...

You choose not to trust in Lyon, you don't think he has what it takes, which is fine of course.

That's not entirely the case.

He's obviously not useless. But in reality, if he 'had what it takes', then surely last year was the chance to display it?

Others think he shown enough to be the coach that is capable of guiding the team to a grand final victory.

I know. And all I can see as reasonibg behind this is blind faith.

We had so much go our way and only scraped into a GF, then let it slip against a team on the ropes.

What's going to different next year? It can't be expected that we'll have the same run of luck as we did this year. So if we go backwards in that sense, where's the huge improvement in other areas to compensate going to come from?


Finally, if you ask others to have faith, I'd have thought it reasonable for them to be able to question why?

You can question, but you are firm in your convictions regarding Ross aren't you, and it's not as if anyone is going sway you?

As for blind faith? I can't answer for anyone else, but in my case I take more of a realist approach.

Tell me this, if you wrote two columns, one for the improvements in 2009 and one for the steps backwards, which column would win?

Please, answer honestly, because it's tiresome if we can't have a discussion without being able to talk about it properly.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

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Why are we being asked to have faith? Based on what? We had some freakishly good fortune last year but he couldn't get us over the line. Some would argue he cost us from getting over the line.
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Really?

Pretty harsh to put that on a single set of shoulders, but honestly, if we're going to blame anyone, shouldn't it be you Rodge?

If you'd just joined the darned circle and hummed koom-friggin-baya with the rest of us, that would have given Ross the mental power necessary to rip Chapman's legs off with the power of his mind no matter how much peri-peri Nando's put in his blood.

But no, mr. "Prove the existence of God then I'll believe" just can't get behind the Ross, and there goes our Grand Final.

If it weren't for all the protestants and their hippy "be nice to everyone, law and order, fair trial" lark taking off, I'd burn you at the stake myself.

Pfft. Unbelievers.

[plugger66]

I wonder what the real story is about Lovett being caught. Has anyone heard anymore or should we retilitle this thread are the saints lucky.

[Con Gorozidis]

I wonder what the real story is about Lovett being caught. Has anyone heard anymore or should we retilitle this thread are the saints lucky.

yeah. i get boozed all the time and i never get arrested. the only logical explanation i can think of is that he gets mouthy/narky with the cops. normally the cops would just say mate get yourself home. but i assume Loveu musy nark up at them for them to bother to arrest him.

i dont know this. just logical speculation.

[asiu]

If it weren't for all the protestants and their hippy "be nice to everyone, law and order, fair trial" lark taking off, I'd burn you at the stake myself.

snap into gear mr fox




effen hippy protestant protestants ... bring religion into everything they will ... ruin a good burning , probably got cracker night banned... bastards