Lovett Caught Drinking

[saintbrat]

Robbo can't make up his mind so he's put both sides
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5800843309

Saints see a lot to love, in Andrew Lovett
Mark Robinson

THE beguiling appeal of Andrew Lovett is that he is a match-winning footballer, coming off the best season of his career.
It was a bold move for Essendon to trade a 27-year-old with genuine pace and skill.

Champion Data stats show that in 2009 Lovett had the best strike-rate in scoring chains for a midfielder, a new category used to identify the most potent onballers, specifically forward of centre

[PJ]

Talks cheap when your not coach any more GT

Actually I think he's getting a fair return for a bit of lip right at the moment and doing quite well out of his St.Kilda past. GT has a strong connection with Ball and will always stick up for him, it's just an opinion after all.

[SainterK]

Opinion yes, but an awful lot of it IMO...

[avid]

I started following this Andy Lovett thread, but I haven't read the middle 7 or 8 pages. So I might have missed something.

But I've now heard that Andrew Lovett lives on (or near) Wellington St, so he wasn't found wandering lost in St Kilda, but more likely just outside his home.

He wasn't drunk and disorderly, just drunk. And it was his birthday.

If all that's true, it's gone from some inexplicable trail of stupidity, to something I might easily have managed to do myself. (Still stupid, no doubt, but not that much.)

Perceptions change with the facts (or with hearsay, in this case.)

[Quixote]

I usually don't mind Robbo, but that article really gives me the runs!!

Too late to go into heaps of discussion, but am I right in assuming that ACTUAL DETAILS of what happened with Lovett that morning are pretty much all heresay?

Also, Robbo is an Essendon supporter yeah?

As for Thomas pffft

[BigMart]

Lets have a poll in AFL circles....who is the better human
Luke 'the draft tamperer ' Ball or Andy 'the drunk ' Lovett
hmmm...wonder who would win...

Raph and Zac.......heroes they are barely even AFL players......one was delisted, one should have been..... both are fringe players, who can improve....I think Zac might with experience

Zac has played 30 odd games in 5 years
Raph 60 odd in 6 years

Ball played 140 in 7 seasons.....over half of those games with a debilitating illness

BTW - I wasn't the only one who didn't give Howard a go.....all of his coaches AFL/VFL didn't either..........and still not sold on Nick Heyne.....many areas to improve

[Quixote]

Only time well tell this out.

But FFS Thomas is out of touch with what is going on at St Kilda.

The Zac Dawson and Michael Gardiner stories are widely acknowledged of the good that a football club can do. This attitude of throwing someone another chance is something that is integral to how Lyon operates; his systems of working for loyalty and keeping it.

I think Thomas' idea of loyalty depends on how many pots you've shouted him (or houses for that matter) or how many times you've been over for Sunday dinner.

FFS.

Both Ball and Lovett had chances to be at St Kilda in 2010. Lovett, although initially stuffing up but to what degree we don't know, took his with both hands.

Ball kept his hands hidden behind his back long enough to play in a Grand Final, then said go jump.



Jeez the off-season sucks. Have some faith in what Lyon is doing FFS and don't get sucked in by all these words, contradictions, convergences (who talks like that anyway??) and speculations.


I'm going on record saying I BELIEVE WE MADE THE RIGHT MOVE.


Night

[StSteven]

I'm going on record saying I BELIEVE WE MADE THE RIGHT MOVE.

I believe we did not and the cost will be team disruption, which we don't need.

[saintnick12]

Lets have a poll in AFL circles....who is the better human
Luke 'the draft tamperer ' Ball or Andy 'the drunk ' Lovett
hmmm...wonder who would win...

Raph and Zac.......heroes they are barely even AFL players......one was delisted, one should have been..... both are fringe players, who can improve....I think Zac might with experience

Zac has played 30 odd games in 5 years
Raph 60 odd in 6 years

Ball played 140 in 7 seasons.....over half of those games with a debilitating illness

BTW - I wasn't the only one who didn't give Howard a go.....all of his coaches AFL/VFL didn't either..........and still not sold on Nick Heyne.....many areas to improve

What is the point of comparing Lovett and Ball as humans. Seriously.
One wants to play for the Saints and one doesn't. Simple as that.

Zac and Raph may not be heroes, but calling them barely even AFL players is ridiculous. Hawthrorn may have delisted Zac, but could have done with him last year I am sure ...while their defence was decimated, ours was being led by one of their discards. Thats's footy. Zac was rookie listed as a speculative insurance pick, and ended up grabbing the opportunity and made the full back position his own. Both Zac and Raph have improved immensely and gained confidence from the support shown in them by the coaching staff. If only our supporters could offer them the same support. The fact that they have both been subjected to such ridicule by our own supporters makes their achivements this year even greater. Lets remember, they will run out in a Saints jumper next year, as will Lovett. Luke Ball will run out as the player of another team (most likely Collingwood if he gets his way). As much as I have always loved Luke Ball, he is no longer a Sainter. He is past player.

[SainterK]

Lets have a poll in AFL circles....who is the better human
Luke 'the draft tamperer ' Ball or Andy 'the drunk ' Lovett
hmmm...wonder who would win...

Raph and Zac.......heroes they are barely even AFL players......one was delisted, one should have been..... both are fringe players, who can improve....I think Zac might with experience

Zac has played 30 odd games in 5 years
Raph 60 odd in 6 years

Ball played 140 in 7 seasons.....over half of those games with a debilitating illness

BTW - I wasn't the only one who didn't give Howard a go.....all of his coaches AFL/VFL didn't either..........and still not sold on Nick Heyne.....many areas to improve

Yeah? Well I put my support behind Luke Ball, I thought he is someone who wouldn't let the club down, such a great character that was so St Kilda that it ran through his veins.

That did me a lot of good, he WALKED OUT on the club...

Who the nicer person is, has never been more irrelevant to me at this moment, given that the nicer of the two doesn't want to pull on a saints jumper next year.

Your constant jibes at two of the younger players of the club are getting very tired.

Raph won our most promising player last year, and instead of people getting behind him and supporting him, it's the opposite. I don't think I will ever understand the satisfaction people get out of him making an error, I prefer to look elsewhere for my joy...

Had Zac debuted the year after Max retired, I wonder if the reception would have been different?

[bigcarl]

well this is why lovett is a worthy project, despite his problems. robbo nails it actually.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5800843309

THE beguiling appeal of Andrew Lovett is that he is a match-winning footballer, coming off the best season of his career.
It was a bold move for Essendon to trade a 27-year-old with genuine pace and skill.

Champion Data stats show that in 2009 Lovett had the best strike-rate in scoring chains for a midfielder, a new category used to identify the most potent onballers, specifically forward of centre.

Lovett was involved in 441 chains of play, of which 166 resulted in scores, for a strike rate of 37.6 per cent. Carlton's Chris Judd was second with 545 chains, 200 scores and a percentage of 36.7 per cent.

"He's just so damaging when he gets the ball," one Champion Data analyst said. "He's a jet."

Lovett's 21 goals and 32 assists were also exceptional, although he trailed the competition's leader in that category, Carlton's Marc Murphy, who tallied 31 goals and 31 assists.

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But it is those match-shaping numbers that attracted St Kilda coach Ross Lyon.

Barely an hour after losing the Grand Final to Geelong, the Saints lamented their lack of polish on the flanks.

No disrespect to Andrew McQualter, Sean Dempster, and perhaps less so Adam Schneider and Stephen Milne, but the Saints set out to boost their quality forward of the centre.

"With immense skills and great speed, we have no doubt that Andrew will prove a solid contributor to the St Kilda team," Lyon said on landing Lovett.

[Spinner]

Thomas is a d**khead - just another kick to the club, painting a picture of us being the villain.

Wanker.

What did he say that was wrong?

Speaking as if we decided to trade Luke for Lovett.

It wasn't a choice, Ball walked.

The club, even without knowing the fact isn't completely at fault.

[joffaboy]

Somewhere between a slap over the wrist and a termination of the contact is the option," Thomas said.

I'll tell you now, if we ditch Lovett on the basis of this transgression after hes not had as much as one training session with us, let alone met most of the leadership group officially, the Club I apparently follow blindly like a lost lamb will be getting one HELL of a bollocking from me

Talks cheap when your not coach any more GT

Ball was one of Thomas's love children.

Had his absolute favourites (as ALL coaches do) and even played Ball to the detriment of his injuries.

Really the mis management of injuries under Thomas is the reason that Ball is only a plodder and not a superstar like Hodge or Judd.

I think Thomas is still very bitter that he has had his fiefdom taken off him and that Lyon has surpassed his coaching record in a very short space of time.

Suprised weith Thomas's reaction considering the millions he has leeched out of the club.

Even more suprising for him to comment on a substance that can become addictive. I supposed he gambled that his opinion is still worth something regarding St.Kilda.

[maverick]

Lets have a poll in AFL circles....who is the better human
Luke 'the draft tamperer ' Ball or Andy 'the drunk ' Lovett
hmmm...wonder who would win...

Raph and Zac.......heroes they are barely even AFL players......one was delisted, one should have been..... both are fringe players, who can improve....I think Zac might with experience

Zac has played 30 odd games in 5 years
Raph 60 odd in 6 years

Ball played 140 in 7 seasons.....over half of those games with a debilitating illness

BTW - I wasn't the only one who didn't give Howard a go.....all of his coaches AFL/VFL didn't either..........and still not sold on Nick Heyne.....many areas to improve

Who cares which is the better human, they are footballers not our mates...
Lovett is exactly what we need, its up to Ross and co to do their jobs and harness the talent, if it was easy we could all do it...

[saint66au]

BTW - I wasn't the only one who didn't give Howard a go.....all of his coaches AFL/VFL didn't either

Yep but at least they'd watch him play at that level...and didnt write him off approx 10 secs after he was drafted like your good self. Doubt they called JB an egomaniac for drafting him either, unlike you.

[Bernard Shakey]

Rumour has it that Lovett came last in a 3k time trial this week.

[Spinner]

Rumour has it that Lovett came last in a 3k time trial this week.

Where did you hear that from?

[borderbarry]

I dont know why everyone is comparing Lovett to Ball. X Clarke would be a closer comparison. Both have speed, both indigenous. And both were moved in trade week. No comparison with the trades though. 60 v 12.

[ace]

I dont know why everyone is comparing Lovett to Ball. X Clarke would be a closer comparison. Both have speed, both indigenous. And both were moved in trade week. No comparison with the trades though. 60 v 12.

60 v 16
But really worth 90 v 24 in an uncompromised draft.

St Kilda wanted pick 21 for Ball (worth 31, a late round 2) but Collingwood only offered 25 (worth 37, early round 3) and now hope to get him at 30 (worth 45, a late round 3).

That's right Luke, you think you are pick 2 quality, Collingwood think you are only late round 3 quality.
They really want and respect you.

[vacuous space]

I dont know why everyone is comparing Lovett to Ball. X Clarke would be a closer comparison. Both have speed, both indigenous. And both were moved in trade week. No comparison with the trades though. 60 v 12.

Lovett also had more 20+ touch games this year (12) than X has in his entire career (7). It's not a close comparison at all. Lovett >>> X.

[ace]

I dont know why everyone is comparing Lovett to Ball. X Clarke would be a closer comparison. Both have speed, both indigenous. And both were moved in trade week. No comparison with the trades though. 60 v 12.

Lovett also had more 20+ touch games this year (12) than X has in his entire career (7). It's not a close comparison at all. Lovett >>> X.

They say Lovett makes and breaks promises but all Xavier did was show and never delver promise.

[plugger66]

I dont know why everyone is comparing Lovett to Ball. X Clarke would be a closer comparison. Both have speed, both indigenous. And both were moved in trade week. No comparison with the trades though. 60 v 12.

60 v 16
But really worth 90 v 24 in an uncompromised draft.

St Kilda wanted pick 21 for Ball (worth 31, a late round 2) but Collingwood only offered 25 (worth 37, early round 3) and now hope to get him at 30 (worth 45, a late round 3).

That's right Luke, you think you are pick 2 quality, Collingwood think you are only late round 3 quality.
They really want and respect you.

Did Bally say that. I must have missed it or are just joking. You are very funny sometimes.

[PJ]

The character of the individuals is debateable but the real question that should be being asked is - who is the better player in terms of requirement for our structure and in pure talent? The stats in the article say a good deal.

[Moods]

I hope like hell that Bernard Shakely is wrong. If so very poor start for our star recruit. I could excuse the transgression with the police if he had blitzed the field in his first time trial with the club. It would show everyone that he was fair dinkum and had prepared himself like a man who wanted to turn over a new leaf, and that whatever happened in Wellington Street is not behaviour that he intends repeating.

Who are those people that said that who cares how often he gets p!ssed as long as it doesn't affect his performance? I say the two go hand in hand.

[plugger66]

I hope like hell that Bernard Shakely is wrong. If so very poor start for our star recruit. I could excuse the transgression with the police if he had blitzed the field in his first time trial with the club. It would show everyone that he was fair dinkum and had prepared himself like a man who wanted to turn over a new leaf, and that whatever happened in Wellington Street is not behaviour that he intends repeating.

Who are those people that said that who cares how often he gets p!ssed as long as it doesn't affect his performance? I say the two go hand in hand.

Not sure if he came last but was told a week ago that he was very unfit. Has done a couple of runs with a player who isnt renowned for his stamina an d was well and truely beaten.