That's odd - Jarryd Allen nominates for 2009 national draft

[SB10]

Thought Jarryd retired due to his crippling hip injury? Talks of hip replacements, etc

Could there be a redraft on the cards here........?


Please find detailed below all those senior-list players who have nominated for the national draft, to be held on Thursday November 26. Please find also the remaining key dates in the drafting process detailed at the end of this release.

Luke Ablett (Sydney Swans), Jarryd Allen (St Kilda), Luke Ball (St Kilda), Jordan Bannister (Carlton), Adam Bentick (Carlton), Ryan Brabazon (Sydney Swans), Simon Buckley (Melbourne), Chris Bryan (Collingwood), Adam Campbell (Fremantle), Cameron Cloke (Carlton), Scott Clouston (Brisbane Lions), Eljay Connors (St Kilda), Mark Coughlan (Richmond), Jake Edwards (Carlton), Leigh Fisher (St Kilda), Andrew Foster (Fremantle), Greg Gallman (Adelaide), Jonathan Giles (Port Adelaide), Nick Gill (Adelaide), Scott Harding (Brisbane Lions), Daniel Harris (North Melbourne), Rhan Hooper (Brisbane Lions), Nick Lower (Port Adelaide), Aaron Kite (Adelaide), Matthew Laidlaw (Sydney Swans), Malcolm Lynch (Western Bulldogs), Dan McKenna (Geelong Cats), Jamie McNamara (West Coast), Matt Maguire (St Kilda), John Meesen (Melbourne), Michael Newton (Melbourne), Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (Richmond), Daniel O’Keefe (Sydney Swans), Guy O’Keefe (Western Bulldogs), Paul O’Shea (Western Bulldogs), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Kayne Pettifer (Richmond), Sam Power (North Melbourne), Dean Putt (Richmond), Matt Riggio (North Melbourne), Russell Robertson (Melbourne), Jason Roe (Brisbane Lions), Scott Simpson (Geelong Cats), Wayde Skipper (Western Bulldogs), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Danny Stanley (Collingwood), Kane Tenace (Geelong Cats), Mitchell Thorp (Hawthorn), Matthew Tyler (Brisbane Lions), Cameron Wight (Western Bulldogs), John Williams (Essendon), Michael Wundke (North Melbourne).

[Spinner]

Does everyone that was delisted get automatically nominated?

Might explain it.

[SainterK]

That is odd, anyone know anything?

[Batnoe]

Players who are delisted go into the national draft for 3 years... I dont know if they have put him down as retired or delisted as it says on our site, delisted due to injury

So, It will be his name being put down, but he wouldnt have done it himself

[MCG-Unit]

I don't know whether being delisted automatically gets your name on that ND list - without having all the delistings at hand, there are a few delistings not in that group above

O'Donohue, Playfair, Joel MacDonald (PSD), Robert Shirley, Gilmore, Tom Lee, Cleve Hughes

[thirty-seven!?]

No Brad Howard, Tunga, etc named on that list either...

Im under the impression that a player would have to nominate for the draft... So very surprising!!

Interesting that Russell Robertson is named after that article this morning in the Age that stated we were looking very closely at Nathan Brown ( http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 39868.html )

Perhaps we are looking closely at Robbo too due to him being an overage/retired medium forward...

[thirty-seven!?]

From AFL.com:

"Jarryd Allen retired in August because of a chronic hip injury and though he is not looking to play on, it is understood his nomination is related to St Kilda's list management."

This is strange... perhaps we need to re-draft him?? Or as a rookie?? Seems very strange that this would be necessary for him to retire properly off this list...

Anyone know of any potential loop-holes the Saints are trying to find by doing this???

[ausfatcat]

hmmm maybe it has to do with this year salary cap being too close to the limit to pay Allens "injury forced retirement payment" which is half of their final year wages.

[Eastern]

hmmm maybe it has to do with this year salary cap being too close to the limit to pay Allens "injury forced retirement payment" which is half of their final year wages.

Without knowing the facts, this seems pretty close to the mark !!

[Quixote]

Re-draft a player (who will never play) and essentially have one 'dead-spot' on the list?

Would this be a first?

[St Fidelius]

hmmm maybe it has to do with this year salary cap being too close to the limit to pay Allens "injury forced retirement payment" which is half of their final year wages.

Without knowing the facts, this seems pretty close to the mark !!

Well if that is close to the mark, there was no way Ball could have signed with us in any case

[ausfatcat]

Well if that is close to the mark, there was no way Ball could have signed with us in any case

Unrelated as that "half of the final year wages for retiring due to injury goes into last seasons salary cap not next seasons. I think.....

[saintbrat]

explanation by manager-
Due to him having a year on his contract and the saints wishing to do the best by him he could NOT retire- had to be delisted- this was mentioned a few weeks ago...
definitely will not be playing but WILL be Rookied by the saints...

SEN 5.30 pm

[Quixote]

explanation by manager-
Due to him having a year on his contract and the saints wishing to do the best by him he could NOT retire- had to be delisted- this was mentioned a few weeks ago...
definitely will not be playing but WILL be Rookied by the saints...

SEN 5.30 pm

Hang on doesn't make sense.

I thought Lyon was a ruthless bastard and treats the players like s***?

[saintbrat]

explanation by manager-
Due to him having a year on his contract and the saints wishing to do the best by him he could NOT retire- had to be delisted- this was mentioned a few weeks ago...
definitely will not be playing but WILL be Rookied by the saints...

SEN 5.30 pm

Hang on doesn't make sense.

I thought Lyon was a ruthless bastard and treats the players like s***?

maybe he is Ruthless and is just penny pinching

[saintbrat]

Jarryd Allen (St Kilda), Luke Ball (St Kilda), Eljay Connors (St Kilda), Leigh Fisher (St Kilda), Matt Maguire (St Kilda),

must be almost the biggst group of Saints on the list for a while..

[Spinner]

explanation by manager-
Due to him having a year on his contract and the saints wishing to do the best by him he could NOT retire- had to be delisted- this was mentioned a few weeks ago...
definitely will not be playing but WILL be Rookied by the saints...

SEN 5.30 pm

By re-rookieing him, dont we only have to pay a rookie salary?

Like when we rookied Howard?

I wonder who is slightly benefiting from this....


Surely anyone is allowed to retire, whenever they want - especially when there are medical reasons....


Id suggest that paying a rookie is less than half a senior contracts wage due to retirement for medical reasons....

[ace]

explanation by manager-
Due to him having a year on his contract and the saints wishing to do the best by him he could NOT retire- had to be delisted- this was mentioned a few weeks ago...
definitely will not be playing but WILL be Rookied by the saints...

SEN 5.30 pm

If he is rookied he could be paid his full salary but as a rookie it would not count against the salary cap.

[Solar]

explanation by manager-
Due to him having a year on his contract and the saints wishing to do the best by him he could NOT retire- had to be delisted- this was mentioned a few weeks ago...
definitely will not be playing but WILL be Rookied by the saints...

SEN 5.30 pm

If he is rookied he could be paid his full salary but as a rookie it would not count against the salary cap.

bingo

and it might explain why we still have a little room in that salary cap to delist fisher

[vacuous space]

and it might explain why we still have a little room in that salary cap to delist fisher

Can Fisher go to the rookie list now?

[Solar]

and it might explain why we still have a little room in that salary cap to delist fisher

Can Fisher go to the rookie list now?

question is, how many rookie spots do we want to use on this type of rookie.... plus the difference is that allen is young enough to be rookied and leigh isn't.

[vacuous space]

question is, how many rookie spots do we want to use on this type of rookie....

There are 70+ picks in what seems a pretty weak draft. We've got a few open rookie spots. You've got to wonder what kind of quality is going to be around at our last rookie picks.

And if it helps us keep our group of stars together, it's okay by me. If we open up cap space to front-end long-term extensions for our top players, then it could help us in the long run.

plus the difference is that allen is young enough to be rookied and leigh isn't.

If Leigh makes it through the ND and PSD, can't he be taken as a mature rookie?

[thirty-seven!?]

question is, how many rookie spots do we want to use on this type of rookie....

There are 70+ picks in what seems a pretty weak draft. We've got a few open rookie spots. You've got to wonder what kind of quality is going to be around at our last rookie picks.

And if it helps us keep our group of stars together, it's okay by me. If we open up cap space to front-end long-term extensions for our top players, then it could help us in the long run.

plus the difference is that allen is young enough to be rookied and leigh isn't.

If Leigh makes it through the ND and PSD, can't he be taken as a mature rookie?

Yeah he can - we can have up to two of these...

And i have a feeling that Allen is young enough to be counted as a standard rookie - not a mature age one

[ace]

and it might explain why we still have a little room in that salary cap to delist fisher

Can Fisher go to the rookie list now?

question is, how many rookie spots do we want to use on this type of rookie.... plus the difference is that allen is young enough to be rookied and leigh isn't.

Clubs can now have 2 mature age rookies who can have any age and played any number of games.

[ace]

Nominations for the National Draft closed today.

Out of contract players had to nominate by Tuesday last week but players delisted by their clubs at List Lodgement No2 (last Friday) had until today.