Lovett Caught Drinking

[St Fidelius]

1. if you think that the club wouldnt have get more memebers then you are deluding yourself...did you see the amount of people that went to his training and followed him around...the exposure that the club could have got would have been enormous....

2. mate are you that stupid..why wouldn't he have the same amount of disposals..last time i checked he was still playing afl not golf...he averaged around the same at westcoast and what makes you think that he would suddenly drop off when playing for us...i can even argue the fact that he would have got more going by our season and the players having record numbers....

yep thats what i said that i support the coach and club and that they dont always make the correct decisions (take luke ball and his game time in gf for example he should have played more and the coach said he clearly got it wrong and should have used him more)

what makes you think that our membership numbers wouldnt have increased with cousins on board and the amount of exposure to the club??

some people i swear......

1. Richmond are sh1t and finished second bottom

2. Of course Cousins would get more disposals in a sh1t team

3. Richmond fans were hoping for some kind of miricle (which didn't happen) one does wonder about their membership next season.

4. Get over yourself.... some people I swear

[To the top]

It is very easy to take pot shots from the sidelines.

And you would hope that, in a perfect world, Lovett would learn lessons and moderate his behaviour to within the boundaries wider society view as acceptable - and particularly given his profile as an AFL footballer.

But, as those of us with life experience, and now with the exerience of our own children - now young adults - know, it is not that easy.

Firstly, there is self education and self recognition as the corner stone.

But, words and contrition can be shown as cheap.

Because only actions talk. Plus, with this history, the media will be ever ready to take a pot shot at Lovett throughout the rest of his life.

Mind you, when one of the media, from the Murdoch papers, staggers onto a stage, obviously inflicted by drugs or alcohol and commences to assault the host at the presentation event the media go strangely silent and say he was on medication and should not have been drinking alcohol.

In these issues it is a two way street, because the Club have a responsibility as well.

It is about recognising where the pressures are coming from and putting strategies and supports in place.

Peer group pressure is a major factor, and without knowing anything other than he was found in an impaired state due to alcohol, in the early hours of the morning after celebrating his birthday with family and friends, it would appear that his social environment could contribute.

You would like to think someone in the 'circle' recognised he was over shooting the mark and took action to see him safely home.

Maybe they did, and maybe that brings us to a fundamental problem being his ability to handle alcohol.

Maybe the absence of the coaching and playing supports the Club has earmarked to support him played a part.

No doubt there is work to be done by both Lovett and the Club.

I would not look for the club to overreact but to review the support network it has/will put around Lovett.

On a scale of 1 to 10, being out in public in a distressed state, allegedly because of alcohol consumption rates at the bottom of the scale.

But not a good look when you play a game where discipline is everything and you have the record you have.

The Club should reset the challenge and review how it is going to manage and monitor the challenge.

The real problem will be IF (and I highlight IF deliberately because we do simply not know and neither should we) it is a problem which involves differing cultures accross the aspects of his life from family to friends to employment.

We all like to have opinions of ourselves but the facts are that we are all influenced by others and by some more than others.

Hopefully this is a timely lesson and the lessons are learnt by Lovett and all who have an impact on his life and his actions.

Hopefully, at the end of Lovett's days as a player at AFL level, and into the remainder life, his accociation with St Kilda FC is seen as a significant and positive event from which Lovett and the Club prosper.

And reputations are enhanced.

[S.A Saint]

1. if you think that the club wouldnt have get more memebers then you are deluding yourself...did you see the amount of people that went to his training and followed him around...the exposure that the club could have got would have been enormous....

2. mate are you that stupid..why wouldn't he have the same amount of disposals..last time i checked he was still playing afl not golf...he averaged around the same at westcoast and what makes you think that he would suddenly drop off when playing for us...i can even argue the fact that he would have got more going by our season and the players having record numbers....

yep thats what i said that i support the coach and club and that they dont always make the correct decisions (take luke ball and his game time in gf for example he should have played more and the coach said he clearly got it wrong and should have used him more)

what makes you think that our membership numbers wouldnt have increased with cousins on board and the amount of exposure to the club??

some people i swear......

1. Richmond are sh1t and finished second bottom

2. Of course Cousins would get more disposals in a sh1t team

3. Richmond fans were hoping for some kind of miricle (which didn't happen) one does wonder about their membership next season.

4. Get over yourself.... some people I swear

haha what a comeback...

1. whats cousins have to do with Richmond being s***...

2. its actually harder to get more disposals in a s*** team than it is in a good one...look at ray and his stats compared to him with us....

3. lol are you serious....they have had record membership this year so they have already improved in that aspect....

4. stop embarrassing yourself please

[Moods]

Ray came from a sh!t club

The club he came from finished higher on the ladder than what we did when we got him. And we beat that terrible club by just over a kick in a prelim final - which many believe we were lucky to win. If you're going to ridicule ppl want to get your facts straight.

Of course the tiges membership went through the roof. The tiges were looking for the messiah. Richmond had no choice but to recruit Cousins once it became clear he was on their radar. Their supporters demanded it - our supporters certainly didn't demand it, even though we were exploring the option of recruiting him for 6 months. I reckon it was evenly split whether our members wanted him or not.

Who knows how he would have gone. On the basis of the evidence at the time, it was a solid decision - the tiges made a reckless decision based on public opinion, and it paid off.

You're right Ball should have played moreminutes in the GF. Maybe if he had played better in the the other 2 finals the coaches would have had more faith in him - just a thought.

[borderbarry]

My memory is not what it used to be. How di d Ball play in the earlier two finals?

[S.A Saint]

Ray came from a sh!t club

The club he came from finished higher on the ladder than what we did when we got him. And we beat that terrible club by just over a kick in a prelim final - which many believe we were lucky to win. If you're going to ridicule ppl want to get your facts straight.

Of course the tiges membership went through the roof. The tiges were looking for the messiah. Richmond had no choice but to recruit Cousins once it became clear he was on their radar. Their supporters demanded it - our supporters certainly didn't demand it, even though we were exploring the option of recruiting him for 6 months. I reckon it was evenly split whether our members wanted him or not.

Who knows how he would have gone. On the basis of the evidence at the time, it was a solid decision - the tiges made a reckless decision based on public opinion, and it paid off.

You're right Ball should have played moreminutes in the GF. Maybe if he had played better in the the other 2 finals the coaches would have had more faith in him - just a thought.

with regards to ray he was regarded by the supporters and dare i say it by the coach staff outside the 22 and he averaged what around 13 disposals or something..when you put that into perspective that is pretty poor from a midfielders point of view...now i know other factors may have influenced this but im sure you can find plenty of players that have moved from s*** clubs to good ones and have played better (maybe ray wasn't the best example)

his previous to finals weren't that bad and plenty of other players played poorly and they got considerable more game time in the gf...im just saying that on the day he was prob our best player along with grammy and the coaching stff imho made a mistake by not leaving him out there more than 48% game time...

im not saying that he would have won us the gf...just that if he was out there we would of had a better chance then him on the bench....

[St Fidelius]

1. if you think that the club wouldnt have get more memebers then you are deluding yourself...did you see the amount of people that went to his training and followed him around...the exposure that the club could have got would have been enormous....

2. mate are you that stupid..why wouldn't he have the same amount of disposals..last time i checked he was still playing afl not golf...he averaged around the same at westcoast and what makes you think that he would suddenly drop off when playing for us...i can even argue the fact that he would have got more going by our season and the players having record numbers....

yep thats what i said that i support the coach and club and that they dont always make the correct decisions (take luke ball and his game time in gf for example he should have played more and the coach said he clearly got it wrong and should have used him more)

what makes you think that our membership numbers wouldnt have increased with cousins on board and the amount of exposure to the club??

some people i swear......

1. Richmond are sh1t and finished second bottom

2. Of course Cousins would get more disposals in a sh1t team

3. Richmond fans were hoping for some kind of miricle (which didn't happen) one does wonder about their membership next season.

4. Get over yourself.... some people I swear

haha what a comeback...

1. whats cousins have to do with Richmond being s***...

2. its actually harder to get more disposals in a s*** team than it is in a good one...look at ray and his stats compared to him with us....

3. lol are you serious....they have had record membership this year so they have already improved in that aspect....

4. stop embarrassing yourself please

so it's harder to get more disposals in a sh1t side???

Your analogy with Ray is pathetic, you just don't think that Ray has improved????

and also Ray did not play in a sh1t side, your comparison is worthless

again, there would have been no guarantee our membership would have increased even more than it did this year by selecting Cousins.

Richmond were desperate for something to boost their profile and after finishing 9th in 2008 members would have thought that 2009 might be their year to play finals football, and of course the membership increased.

Again, one would think that maybe it will fall in 2010.

So, what really have they gained??

In this thread you have already stated that you exaggerate, and by stating that it would have been harder to get a kick at a sh1t Club, (Richmond), compared to playing for the Saints is yet another example.

So Cousins averaged 24 disposals for a sh1t Club and you are suggesting he would have increased his disposals if he played for the Saints.

Yeah, I know just who is embarrassing themselves and it's not me.

You did question me if I was that stupid, yes I must be.

Trying to explain logic to someone that is totally ignorant must put me in that category

[BigMart]

Lovett cannot be a bad person....he is a stkilda footballer and they are perfect as soon as the join the club........


and the decision to draft him instead of a first Round DP and psooibly a ten year player has to be a good one......because every decision Ross and Co. make are correct, I know because when I make a feeble attempt to question the logic, it is defended to the point of exhaustion in a bid to demonstrate greater loyalty.....

Fact is, Lovett is a f***ing moron (which I posted a month ago without hesitation)....this is WEKK known in footy circles, the guy is an arsehole and stupid to boot....there you go....and get used to his antics..

I would take a treacle slow Ball, or a crippled Maguire over him anyday + the Pick 16....but most of all I would take X.Clarke to play his exact role.....he is an example of an aboriginal who has used his status to improve the perception his culture......Great man....and possibly (things going well) as good a footballer...at his best X was a beauty....

[S.A Saint]

1. if you think that the club wouldnt have get more memebers then you are deluding yourself...did you see the amount of people that went to his training and followed him around...the exposure that the club could have got would have been enormous....

2. mate are you that stupid..why wouldn't he have the same amount of disposals..last time i checked he was still playing afl not golf...he averaged around the same at westcoast and what makes you think that he would suddenly drop off when playing for us...i can even argue the fact that he would have got more going by our season and the players having record numbers....

yep thats what i said that i support the coach and club and that they dont always make the correct decisions (take luke ball and his game time in gf for example he should have played more and the coach said he clearly got it wrong and should have used him more)

what makes you think that our membership numbers wouldnt have increased with cousins on board and the amount of exposure to the club??

some people i swear......

1. Richmond are sh1t and finished second bottom

2. Of course Cousins would get more disposals in a sh1t team

3. Richmond fans were hoping for some kind of miricle (which didn't happen) one does wonder about their membership next season.

4. Get over yourself.... some people I swear

haha what a comeback...

1. whats cousins have to do with Richmond being s***...

2. its actually harder to get more disposals in a s*** team than it is in a good one...look at ray and his stats compared to him with us....

3. lol are you serious....they have had record membership this year so they have already improved in that aspect....

4. stop embarrassing yourself please

so it's harder to get a kick in a sh1t side???

again, there would have been no guarantee our membership would have increased even more than it did this year by selecting Cousins.

Richmond were desperate for something to boost their profile and after finishing 9th in 2008 members would have thought that 2009 might be their year to play finals football, and of course the membership increased.

Again, one would think that maybe it will fall in 2010.

So, what really have they gained??

In this thread you have already stated that you exaggerate, and by stating that it would have been harder to get a kick at a sh1t Club, (Richmond), compared to playing for the Saints is yet another example.

So Cousins averaged 24 disposals for a sh1t Club and you are suggesting he would have increased his disposals if he played for the Saints.

Yeah, I know just who is embarrassing themselves and it's not me.

You did question me if I was that stupid, yes I must be.

Trying to explain logic to someone that is totally ignorant must put me in that category

i could guarantee you that if we signed him that we would have got at least a few hundred member more such was the hype that was surrounded by him...this would in fact lead to bigger profits by the club and not to mention all the exposure...

of course it harder to get a kick in a s*** side when teams are dominating you all over the ground..you try getting the ball when its constantly in the opposition players hands...

whats 2010 membership have to do with this thread..its about 2009 and when the recruited him they had record membership...no point arguing 2010 cause he is not a new recruit...

at west coast he averaged close to 30 disposals per game....for richmond he average 24 and thats playing in a weaker side...so if he managed to do that im sure him playing for us would yield the same figures if not more...if you take your rose coloured glasses off cousins is still better than half a dozen or so of our starting 22 players...

not sure how else i can explain it to you...but i guess you are one of those supporters that thinks our club can do no wrong and every decision made is the perfect one....

[busso mick]

Lovett cannot be a bad person....he is a stkilda footballer and they are perfect as soon as the join the club........


and the decision to draft him instead of a first Round DP and psooibly a ten year player has to be a good one......because every decision Ross and Co. make are correct, I know because when I make a feeble attempt to question the logic, it is defended to the point of exhaustion in a bid to demonstrate greater loyalty.....

Fact is, Lovett is a f***ing moron (which I posted a month ago without hesitation)....this is WEKK known in footy circles, the guy is an arsehole and stupid to boot....there you go....and get used to his antics..

I would take a treacle slow Ball, or a crippled Maguire over him anyday + the Pick 16....but most of all I would take X.Clarke to play his exact role.....he is an example of an aboriginal who has used his status to improve the perception his culture......Great man....and possibly (things going well) as good a footballer...at his best X was a beauty....

Don't you think the club did their due diligence before drafting Lovett? I know it wasn't a decision made lightly, and to be fair to the bloke you should give him a season in the Saints colours before shooting him down in flames like you have. We all know his form off the field is not great, but surely it is his football ability we should be measuring. Not everyone has the same high moral standards that you want our team to have, just give him a chance, particularly at this stage of proceedings, before a ball has been kicked in anger. I agree that Xavier Clarke would have been a more than handy player for us next season (and I was sad to see him go), but coming off a knee he may have struggled to get back to his best.

[St Fidelius]

so it's harder to get a kick in a sh1t side???

again, there would have been no guarantee our membership would have increased even more than it did this year by selecting Cousins.

Richmond were desperate for something to boost their profile and after finishing 9th in 2008 members would have thought that 2009 might be their year to play finals football, and of course the membership increased.

Again, one would think that maybe it will fall in 2010.

So, what really have they gained??

In this thread you have already stated that you exaggerate, and by stating that it would have been harder to get a kick at a sh1t Club, (Richmond), compared to playing for the Saints is yet another example.

So Cousins averaged 24 disposals for a sh1t Club and you are suggesting he would have increased his disposals if he played for the Saints.

Yeah, I know just who is embarrassing themselves and it's not me.

You did question me if I was that stupid, yes I must be.

Trying to explain logic to someone that is totally ignorant must put me in that category

i could guarantee you that if we signed him that we would have got at least a few hundred member more such was the hype that was surrounded by him...this would in fact lead to bigger profits by the club and not to mention all the exposure...

of course it harder to get a kick in a s*** side when teams are dominating you all over the ground..you try getting the ball when its constantly in the opposition players hands...

whats 2010 membership have to do with this thread..its about 2009 and when the recruited him they had record membership...no point arguing 2010 cause he is not a new recruit...

at west coast he averaged close to 30 disposals per game....for richmond he average 24 and thats playing in a weaker side...so if he managed to do that im sure him playing for us would yield the same figures if not more...if you take your rose coloured glasses off cousins is still better than half a dozen or so of our starting 22 players...

not sure how else i can explain it to you...but i guess you are one of those supporters that thinks our club can do no wrong and every decision made is the perfect one....

No I am NOT a member that thinks our club can do no wrong and every decision made is a perfect one, and if you bothered to read some of my past posts about the Club in the past, you would understand that..

Okay, I disagree with you on many facets in this thread and would like to leave it there, for reasons already stated...

[BigMart]

I am pretty sure Lenny and BJ had Knee recos in the last two seasons

and both finished only a handful of votes behind Nick R in the B&F and were AA's this season.....BJ 2nd, Lenny 4th, Rob Harvey had a Reco in 2000/01 and was RU B&F/AA in 2003.....

Knees are not career ending anymore.....PCL injuries due hurt ruckman though...

[joffaboy]

Lovett cannot be a bad person....he is a stkilda footballer and they are perfect as soon as the join the club........


and the decision to draft him instead of a first Round DP and psooibly a ten year player has to be a good one......because every decision Ross and Co. make are correct, I know because when I make a feeble attempt to question the logic, it is defended to the point of exhaustion in a bid to demonstrate greater loyalty.....

Fact is, Lovett is a f***ing moron (which I posted a month ago without hesitation)....this is WEKK known in footy circles, the guy is an arsehole and stupid to boot....there you go....and get used to his antics..

I would take a treacle slow Ball, or a crippled Maguire over him anyday + the Pick 16....but most of all I would take X.Clarke to play his exact role.....he is an example of an aboriginal who has used his status to improve the perception his culture......Great man....and possibly (things going well) as good a footballer...at his best X was a beauty....

F*** it must be grouse being you

So you would rather a treacle slow Ball to a fast Lovett.

yeah well we saw where that got us this year - 2ND

Your great hero Ball has pissed on his mates and left fotr more money. Great character there

X had a one year contract and was HELPED by the club to get to Brisbane for more opportunities.

Sad about Goose.

Sadder that a supposed St.Kilda supporter continues to s.hit on the club the way you do.

You really are full of your own opinion aren't you

Go and call Lovett a moron to his face, he would put you into next week - hero.

[Spinner]

Lovett cannot be a bad person....he is a stkilda footballer and they are perfect as soon as the join the club........


and the decision to draft him instead of a first Round DP and psooibly a ten year player has to be a good one......because every decision Ross and Co. make are correct, I know because when I make a feeble attempt to question the logic, it is defended to the point of exhaustion in a bid to demonstrate greater loyalty.....

Fact is, Lovett is a f***ing moron (which I posted a month ago without hesitation)....this is WEKK known in footy circles, the guy is an arsehole and stupid to boot....there you go....and get used to his antics..

I would take a treacle slow Ball, or a crippled Maguire over him anyday + the Pick 16....but most of all I would take X.Clarke to play his exact role.....he is an example of an aboriginal who has used his status to improve the perception his culture......Great man....and possibly (things going well) as good a footballer...at his best X was a beauty....

I think Lovett is a d**khead too - But I agree with trading pick 16 for him.

I would have done the trade myself in a heartbeat.

[linz]

OK, he got pissed on his 27th birthday. Did he hit anyone? Did he damage anything (apart from himself?).

My mantra is: " Do whatever you like as long as you don't harm others".

He may have hurt the feelings to some members and players.

I say Diddems !!!

Obviously when training starts he has to knuckle down. I suspect this will be a great wake-up call.

[plugger66]

OK, he got pissed on his 27th birthday. Did he hit anyone? Did he damage anything (apart from himself?).

My mantra is: " Do whatever you like as long as you don't harm others".

He may have hurt the feelings to some members and players.

I say Diddems !!!

Obviously when training starts he has to knuckle down. I suspect this will be a great wake-up call.

Training has started and what if every player had that attitude. We would be back in the 80's. By the way how many wake up calls does he need before he actually wakes up?

[linz]

Reminds me of Nicky really and training starts for the saints this week.

[Moods]

Nicky played back in the 90's. We're nearly 10 years from when he retired.

It's not about hurting ppl's feelings, it's about a bloke who has been given a second chance and before he walks in the door is still acting like he doesn't realise it. Some posters are trying to make this thread about morality by claiming that those that are annoyed at what Lovett did are taking the high ground- it's nothing about morals, it's about showing the club you give a stuff and you're grateful for that second chance and that you'll do everything possible to be a great player for our club. Not a good start that's all...

[clarky449]

Im with Plugger with this one

[Spinner]

OK, he got pissed on his 27th birthday. Did he hit anyone? Did he damage anything (apart from himself?).

My mantra is: " Do whatever you like as long as you don't harm others".

He may have hurt the feelings to some members and players.

I say Diddems !!!

Obviously when training starts he has to knuckle down. I suspect this will be a great wake-up call.

What about 'hurting' the chances of success for the team?

By that 'mantra' he can get blind every weekend, play reasonably well and still get paid what a professional elite athlete gets.

These words, professional, elite....My mantra is ýou wanna get paid as an elite professional athlete, start acting like one' Just made that up right now.

Great post thou.

[S.A Saint]

OK, he got pissed on his 27th birthday. Did he hit anyone? Did he damage anything (apart from himself?).

My mantra is: " Do whatever you like as long as you don't harm others".

He may have hurt the feelings to some members and players.

I say Diddems !!!

Obviously when training starts he has to knuckle down. I suspect this will be a great wake-up call.

hahaha...that was a bad move saying that...you will get crucified for it trust me...

[The Fireman]

Yum

[To the top]

From the comments of Hird - he the great abuser of umpires, but we have moved on to role model since then, havn't we? - you can see the 'support' he had from the 'leadership' group at Essendon.

Say what you want, we do not believe you and we do not trust you. You have had your chances and you have failed. The 'leadership' group has spoken with you time and again and can do no more.

I would hope that the quality of individual on the St Kilda leadership group means they are interested in only one outcome - embracing the player, winning his confidence, improving his self esteem, providing the necessary supports and working bloody hard at achieving an outcome both Club and player can be proud of.

It is only very early days and the challenge is there - the Club has taken it on because it has belief in its processes and proceedures and its personnel.

And, unlike Essendon and Hird looking to place all fault with the player and none with the Club, I would hope St Kilda, under the remarkable leadership group it has, accept their responsibility also in what has been undertaken.

And as a society we put our trust in success - because society needs these little wins as well.

There are too many like Hird around, washing their hands of any responsibility he had as the player's captain or he had as a respected Essendon figure.

Yes, sometimes you fail because that is life.

But you never give up trying.

Because trying is what life is all about.

It does not matter if you play for the Thirds in some obscure competition or even if you play footy.

It is about working with people to achieve better outcomes - so you can look back later in life and tick a few boxes in regards making this a better place.

Essendon failed, and a few weeks into his tenure at St Kilda, with one mis-demenour for reasons unknown and none of our business anyway- forget the Annual Leave crap because that disguises from the core which obviously has to be dealt with - Essendon comments as it has when it should have shut up and left the matter with those who have accepted responsibility being St Kilda FC and Lovett.

And St Kilda can say that Lovett regrets his actions (if he says that) and that, with the support of St Kilda FC, both Lovett and St Kilda look forward to the future.

That is all that has to be said.

Take a leaf from Melbourne Storm and Inglis.

[Ghost Like]

More than 400 people are arrested in Victoria each week for being drunk. "We know when we lock people up, 40 per cent of them tell us they're there because of alcohol. So imagine if we could avoid all of that. We could be better using our time to do other things to keep the community safe," he said.

Quote from the Police Chief

I'm sure they weren't all aboriginals or professional (name) sportspeople so can we please forget all that emotional, alarmist rubbish being spruiked in this thread.

This is simply an unfortunate incident related to Andrew and it's impact on St Kilda's decision to recruit him. It's occurred in 'off' season, it will be discussed and dealt with by Ross Lyon and the Leadership group. Let's wait and see what transpires from here on in, in terms of Lovett's form and contribution to St Kilda achieving what they've been unable to for 43 years.

In Ross & Roo I trust...let's get behind them, Lovett and all who will pull on the St Kilda jumper in 2010!

[groupie1]

Lovett cannot be a bad person....he is a stkilda footballer and they are perfect as soon as the join the club........


and the decision to draft him instead of a first Round DP and psooibly a ten year player has to be a good one......because every decision Ross and Co. make are correct, I know because when I make a feeble attempt to question the logic, it is defended to the point of exhaustion in a bid to demonstrate greater loyalty.....

Fact is, Lovett is a f***ing moron (which I posted a month ago without hesitation)....this is WEKK known in footy circles, the guy is an arsehole and stupid to boot....there you go....and get used to his antics..

I would take a treacle slow Ball, or a crippled Maguire over him anyday + the Pick 16....but most of all I would take X.Clarke to play his exact role.....he is an example of an aboriginal who has used his status to improve the perception his culture......Great man....and possibly (things going well) as good a footballer...at his best X was a beauty....

Yes, possibly right, but Winmar was an arsehole of a bloke, too. Lockett. Hamill. Wouldn't take those memories back, would you?