Lovett Caught Drinking

[Devilhead]

How many shake-ups does one fellow need?

Don't know?? How many do think??

Already cost himself a career at one club.

Crikey if I played for Essendon and had to look at Knights bouffant every morning I would probably drink as well .............. heavily!!

Anyway as far as I know his career is still ongoing

Why would he put himself in the position of being drunk in a public place (and he would've had to have been quite drunk) two days before he's due to start training with his new club, and after all his talk about starting fresh?

Obviously Andrew on his birthday was overcome with joy that he was about to start training with the greatest football club ever - fueled by adrenalin he had a few too many and he slipped out for a quiet walk to contemplate how good his life was and some over zealous Matthew Knights look alike copper decided to crash is little birthday celebration with some trumped up charge

And if he had to get somewhere, how hard is it to take a cab?

Welcome to Melbourne

[joffaboy]

Can we trade him back to Essendon for Luke Ball?

Would do that trade in a heartbeat

So would Essendon considering they dont have Luke Ball yet

Ok, I meant to write I would do that trade 'should Essendon draft Luke Ball'

And how would the trade take place?

Trade period is over.

[Devilhead]

and secondly and havent before or since had any form with this type of thing.

It seems then that you are giving your expert opinion about a subject that you have no experience and no idea about

What are you talking about. I was talking about me not having had other issues with cops like Lovett has had previously before the latest one. Should I go get arrested before I comment on the situation?

No you should just make the context of what you write clearer - anyway as a fellow upstanding citizen and a arrest free Saint supporter I am glad that you have managed to steer clear of trouble in your life - I commend you on your fine work

[MCG-Unit]

Can we trade him back to Essendon for Luke Ball?

Would do that trade in a heartbeat

So would Essendon considering they dont have Luke Ball yet

Ok, I meant to write I would do that trade 'should Essendon draft Luke Ball'

And how would the trade take place?

Trade period is over.

Well I think Joffa Burns was just taking the p!ss - and I joined in

[Devilhead]

Can we trade him back to Essendon for Luke Ball?

Would do that trade in a heartbeat

So would Essendon considering they dont have Luke Ball yet

Ok, I meant to write I would do that trade 'should Essendon draft Luke Ball'

And how would the trade take place?

Trade period is over.

Next year JB - by that stage Lovett will be in jail with a heroin dependency and Ball should be slow enough to slot perfectly onto the Sandringham 2nds bench - straight swap I should think - in fact Essndon will probably come out the winner

[St. Luke]

I'm sure all that drinking has irreparably damaged his speed – never to return!! He’ll probably now be the slowest and most uncoordinated Saint on the field I hope he never turns to that evil drink ever again! Unless of course it’s a piss-weak shandy

[saintspremiers]

So has Lovett done anything wrong, as in bashed anyone/harmed anyone?

If not, if he was just a bit tanked and noisy, no big deal.

He'll cop a warning from our club - if he does it again during the pre-season maybe a few matches suspended, a third time and he'll be sacked IMO.

[Spinner]

So has Lovett done anything wrong, as in bashed anyone/harmed anyone?

If not, if he was just a bit tanked and noisy, no big deal.

He'll cop a warning from our club - if he does it again during the pre-season maybe a few matches suspended, a third time and he'll be sacked IMO.

He may have not done anything 'wrong' in your book - but he has obviously acted in a way the club doesn't approve of and in a way that the police didnt approve of.

He got ample chances at Essendon - He was eventually sacked.

Whats that saying about history repeating its self and such.

And before the 'sky isn't falling' card is pulled out, and I and others are told to stop over reacting - Keep in mind that this player hadn't even completed a training session with our club yet until yesterday.

[S.A Saint]

So off season means no footy. If that is the case you will not mind him being out till 6am every Saturday night and drinking as long as he stops before round one. Do you actually have a clue. Money has plenty to do with it because he he stuffs up once to often he may lose that money. You would think he wouldnt want to lose 300k a year. As for me, Im pretty sure I am not in the public eye and secondly and havent before or since had any form with this type of thing. As I have said before you just dont get it.

No i don't mind it as long as his performance doesn't drop off, and he is able to play at his previous best...money to everyone is not the most important thing...maybe he values his social life and friends more who knows....just because you don't see it as being right doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you...we are here to win flags and not worry about what player do in the off season...look at west coast and all their problems with players...the only thing that matters is winning flags..i couldn't care if we had the worst culture in the afl as long as we win flags consistent then it quiet frankly doesn't bother me...

First up, ive disagreed with pretty much everything you have said in this thread thus far.....But to be specific to this post.

1) What is his best performance? What you see, or what he would be capable of? Drinking (getting blind) two days before training is certainly not striving for optimal 'performance'. I dont care who you are, anyone that trains after a massive one feels it - and if you dont feel it, your just selling yourself short from being even better.

2) Its certainly fair to not value money as most important - What really is significant if that he is not valuing the club and success as more important as his 'social life and friends'.

3) West Coast? How did they go with defending their win without Cousins? They got a flag, but their team was dismantled because of drug infested off seasons. But hey, who cares what they do in the off season, do as many drugs as you can while you can.

4) As long as we win 'flags' - We havn't won any recently. By the way, having the 'worst' culture hasn't exactly helped us win too many flags over the last 100 years. But hey, you seem to recognize a winning formula.

i couldn't careless if you agree or disagree...you some kind of moral police??

if you ask our supporters what they would want im sure every single one of them bar you and plugger wouldn't mind us having the eagles former culture if it meant giving us that flag which we having been dieing for....

we seem to be having the nice guy culture instilled in us in the last couple of years...now im not saying that this is a good or bad thing..if you look at the eagles they haven't had the greatest culture even the hawks the way they played and behaved on the field weren't no angels...and geelong had the whole steve j incident and few others...

[JABBER]

Lovett drank in the of season What state was he in when he trained yesterday if it effected his training fine him other wise let him of with a warning. A lot of people have ended in a slammer for drinking

[S.A Saint]

So has Lovett done anything wrong, as in bashed anyone/harmed anyone?

If not, if he was just a bit tanked and noisy, no big deal.

He'll cop a warning from our club - if he does it again during the pre-season maybe a few matches suspended, a third time and he'll be sacked IMO.

that's what ive been trying to say...but then you have 2 or 3 who see it as the end of the world

[Spinner]

So off season means no footy. If that is the case you will not mind him being out till 6am every Saturday night and drinking as long as he stops before round one. Do you actually have a clue. Money has plenty to do with it because he he stuffs up once to often he may lose that money. You would think he wouldnt want to lose 300k a year. As for me, Im pretty sure I am not in the public eye and secondly and havent before or since had any form with this type of thing. As I have said before you just dont get it.

No i don't mind it as long as his performance doesn't drop off, and he is able to play at his previous best...money to everyone is not the most important thing...maybe he values his social life and friends more who knows....just because you don't see it as being right doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you...we are here to win flags and not worry about what player do in the off season...look at west coast and all their problems with players...the only thing that matters is winning flags..i couldn't care if we had the worst culture in the afl as long as we win flags consistent then it quiet frankly doesn't bother me...

First up, ive disagreed with pretty much everything you have said in this thread thus far.....But to be specific to this post.

1) What is his best performance? What you see, or what he would be capable of? Drinking (getting blind) two days before training is certainly not striving for optimal 'performance'. I dont care who you are, anyone that trains after a massive one feels it - and if you dont feel it, your just selling yourself short from being even better.

2) Its certainly fair to not value money as most important - What really is significant if that he is not valuing the club and success as more important as his 'social life and friends'.

3) West Coast? How did they go with defending their win without Cousins? They got a flag, but their team was dismantled because of drug infested off seasons. But hey, who cares what they do in the off season, do as many drugs as you can while you can.

4) As long as we win 'flags' - We havn't won any recently. By the way, having the 'worst' culture hasn't exactly helped us win too many flags over the last 100 years. But hey, you seem to recognize a winning formula.

i couldn't careless if you agree or disagree...you some kind of moral police??

if you ask our supporters what they would want im sure every single one of them bar you and plugger wouldn't mind us having the eagles former culture if it meant giving us that flag which we having been dieing for....

we seem to be having the nice guy culture instilled in us in the last couple of years...now im not saying that this is a good or bad thing..if you look at the eagles they haven't had the greatest culture even the hawks the way they played and behaved on the field weren't no angels...and geelong had the whole steve j incident and few others...

You seem to think that culture and premierships are somehow unrelated.

The eagles won a flag, but the culture was detrimental to the club. Their bad culture didnt contribute to their flag success, but it was the reason why they fell away. Imagine what they would have achieved otherwise.


Supporters want premierships - Bad culture impacts negatively to premierships.....Thus supporters shouldn't want bad culture if they want premierships......

Yet it seems that you don't seem to care if we bring in bad culture habits or not.... Are you really one of those supporters than want a premiership???

[Spinner]

So has Lovett done anything wrong, as in bashed anyone/harmed anyone?

If not, if he was just a bit tanked and noisy, no big deal.

He'll cop a warning from our club - if he does it again during the pre-season maybe a few matches suspended, a third time and he'll be sacked IMO.

that's what ive been trying to say...but then you have 2 or 3 who see it as the end of the world

What was Lovetts first discretion at Essendon?

Was it losing his license?
Was it driving while suspended?
Was it the incident with a 'former girlfriend'

If it was the first two - Essendon fans might have had the attitude you and others are displaying right now. Quite acceptable without the benefit of hindsight - Lovett was thrown out of the club. In fact, no one wanted him enough the first time he was thrown out.

What really is embarrassing is St Kilda supporters displaying this attitude, because we have the benefit of some hindsight of the event following Lovetts first stuff up at the bombers.

Im rapt to have Lovett - But I am not ignorant to the fact that this small, insignificant misdemeanor can't or will not evolve into a waste of talent, a bad culture and a wasted first round draft pick.


Here are some quote you might enjoy reading thanks to a quick google search.


George Bernard Shaw:

We learn from history that we learn nothing from history.


George Santayana:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


George Wilhelm Hegel:

What experience and history teach is this -- that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles.

[S.A Saint]

So off season means no footy. If that is the case you will not mind him being out till 6am every Saturday night and drinking as long as he stops before round one. Do you actually have a clue. Money has plenty to do with it because he he stuffs up once to often he may lose that money. You would think he wouldnt want to lose 300k a year. As for me, Im pretty sure I am not in the public eye and secondly and havent before or since had any form with this type of thing. As I have said before you just dont get it.

No i don't mind it as long as his performance doesn't drop off, and he is able to play at his previous best...money to everyone is not the most important thing...maybe he values his social life and friends more who knows....just because you don't see it as being right doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you...we are here to win flags and not worry about what player do in the off season...look at west coast and all their problems with players...the only thing that matters is winning flags..i couldn't care if we had the worst culture in the afl as long as we win flags consistent then it quiet frankly doesn't bother me...

First up, ive disagreed with pretty much everything you have said in this thread thus far.....But to be specific to this post.

1) What is his best performance? What you see, or what he would be capable of? Drinking (getting blind) two days before training is certainly not striving for optimal 'performance'. I dont care who you are, anyone that trains after a massive one feels it - and if you dont feel it, your just selling yourself short from being even better.

2) Its certainly fair to not value money as most important - What really is significant if that he is not valuing the club and success as more important as his 'social life and friends'.

3) West Coast? How did they go with defending their win without Cousins? They got a flag, but their team was dismantled because of drug infested off seasons. But hey, who cares what they do in the off season, do as many drugs as you can while you can.

4) As long as we win 'flags' - We havn't won any recently. By the way, having the 'worst' culture hasn't exactly helped us win too many flags over the last 100 years. But hey, you seem to recognize a winning formula.

i couldn't careless if you agree or disagree...you some kind of moral police??

if you ask our supporters what they would want im sure every single one of them bar you and plugger wouldn't mind us having the eagles former culture if it meant giving us that flag which we having been dieing for....

we seem to be having the nice guy culture instilled in us in the last couple of years...now im not saying that this is a good or bad thing..if you look at the eagles they haven't had the greatest culture even the hawks the way they played and behaved on the field weren't no angels...and geelong had the whole steve j incident and few others...

You seem to think that culture and premierships are somehow unrelated.

The eagles won a flag, but the culture was detrimental to the club. Their bad culture didnt contribute to their flag success, but it was the reason why they fell away. Imagine what they would have achieved otherwise.


Supporters want premierships - Bad culture impacts negatively to premierships.....Thus supporters shouldn't want bad culture if they want premierships......

Yet it seems that you don't seem to care if we bring in bad culture habits or not.... Are you really one of those supporters than want a premiership???

im not saying that they are related its just that everyone seems to think that we should only worry about recruiting players who are angels off the field...im not saying that i want bad culture...its just when someone in the off season goes out on his birthday gets hammer which most of us tend to do its its the end of the world...

and to the highlighted part yea im one of those supporters that wants us to compete reasonably well in the season, have the best culture, want everyone to love us and if we dont win anything than ah well there is always next year right ...

yea look at the eagles they have won a flag..missed out on their second by a 1 point or so..and now they will challenge again in the next couple of years with the picks and players they have...their future is looking rosier than ours and at least they have something to show for their past unlike us....

[ace]

do most people get locked up on their birthday.

Kinky!

[ace]

and secondly and havent before or since had any form with this type of thing.

It seems then that you are giving your expert opinion about a subject that you have no experience and no idea about

What are you talking about. I was talking about me not having had other issues with cops like Lovett has had previously before the latest one. Should I go get arrested before I comment on the situation?

Good idea, Wellington Street, St Kilda 6:15AM plastered to the eyeballs.
If you don't get arrested we will know the police are racially motivated, if you do get arrested you will be able to tell us all about the experience and what Lovett went through.

If you get the same outcome as Lovett then we will know our judicial system does not discriminate.

[St Fidelius]

im not saying that they are related its just that everyone seems to think that we should only worry about recruiting players who are angels off the field...im not saying that i want bad culture...its just when someone in the off season goes out on his birthday gets hammer which most of us tend to do its its the end of the world...

Talk about going overboard...

Just please tell me where, in your opinion, that EVERONE seems to think that we should only worry about players who are angels off the field????

and while you're at it...

please tell me where "most of us" tend to think that getting drunk on your birthday is the "end of the world"????

Fact is that Lovett has had alcohol related issues in the past and the Essendon playing group had lost confidence in him, thus he was up for trade.

Fact is that Lovett stated something to the press about moving to St Kilda will be a fresh start and hinted that his past indiscretions outside of football are behind him.

Of course the Club is concerned and have every right to be.

Of course some supporters are concerned and have every right to be.

Your analogy in comparing the Eagles bad "culture" to winning a flag is pathetic.

[Moods]

Yeah - W.C sure have the respect of the football world don't they Respect, integrity, who cares as long as we win? Hell we should try a few performance enhancing drugs - I mean what's the difference, as long as win. That's all that matters right?

Let's hope you stay over in S.A. as far away from our footy club as possible. Your ideas are everything that's wrong with footy supporters. Hero worshipping sheep whose players can do no wrong, and anyone who dares cross them must be out to make a name for themselves. It's attitides like yours that create the Ben Cousins and Wayne Carey's of this world. Blokes who feel they can do whatever - as long as they keep playing well and the team's winning what's the problem? The problem is that this sort of attitide eventually breeds through the club and the whole thing comes crashing down.

Yeah Lovett only got drunk - in isolation not a big deal, but this is NOT in isolation and no-one was out to make a name for themselves by arresting him. He's a grown man, approaching 30 and a professional athlete who's getting paid huge money to do so. Comparing him to Joe Citizen is ridiculous. If he wants to behave like Joe Citizen then go play local footy and no-one will care. Everyone deserves a second chance - which is why he's at the saints, but if you think that getting blind drunk 2 days before training starts will assist his game you know nothing about sports science. If you're happy for him to get blind drunk every Sat night then you're living in the 80's.

[saint66au]

Some posts removed for rampant over-quoting

[S.A Saint]

Yeah - W.C sure have the respect of the football world don't they Respect, integrity, who cares as long as we win? Hell we should try a few performance enhancing drugs - I mean what's the difference, as long as win. That's all that matters right?

Let's hope you stay over in S.A. as far away from our footy club as possible. Your ideas are everything that's wrong with footy supporters. Hero worshipping sheep whose players can do no wrong, and anyone who dares cross them must be out to make a name for themselves. It's attitides like yours that create the Ben Cousins and Wayne Carey's of this world. Blokes who feel they can do whatever - as long as they keep playing well and the team's winning what's the problem? The problem is that this sort of attitide eventually breeds through the club and the whole thing comes crashing down.

Yeah Lovett only got drunk - in isolation not a big deal, but this is NOT in isolation and no-one was out to make a name for themselves by arresting him. He's a grown man, approaching 30 and a professional athlete who's getting paid huge money to do so. Comparing him to Joe Citizen is ridiculous. If he wants to behave like Joe Citizen then go play local footy and no-one will care. Everyone deserves a second chance - which is why he's at the saints, but if you think that getting blind drunk 2 days before training starts will assist his game you know nothing about sports science. If you're happy for him to get blind drunk every Sat night then you're living in the 80's.

yep its the attitude like mine that made cousins and carey do what they have done ...never have a mentioned for our players to take performance enhancing or any other social drug to enhance their performance...all im saying is that it really doesn't bother me that he got drunk in the off season...being drunk is totally different from using drugs, bashing people and even raping (which a few of our players have been accused off) should we sack them then as well going by your opinion...

i don't know about you but i want this club to win a premiership in my lifetime...and if that means recruiting players who have of field issues then im all for it (which in fact we have with gardiner and lovett)...

[St Fidelius]

Yeah - W.C sure have the respect of the football world don't they Respect, integrity, who cares as long as we win? Hell we should try a few performance enhancing drugs - I mean what's the difference, as long as win. That's all that matters right?

Let's hope you stay over in S.A. as far away from our footy club as possible. Your ideas are everything that's wrong with footy supporters. Hero worshipping sheep whose players can do no wrong, and anyone who dares cross them must be out to make a name for themselves. It's attitides like yours that create the Ben Cousins and Wayne Carey's of this world. Blokes who feel they can do whatever - as long as they keep playing well and the team's winning what's the problem? The problem is that this sort of attitide eventually breeds through the club and the whole thing comes crashing down.

Yeah Lovett only got drunk - in isolation not a big deal, but this is NOT in isolation and no-one was out to make a name for themselves by arresting him. He's a grown man, approaching 30 and a professional athlete who's getting paid huge money to do so. Comparing him to Joe Citizen is ridiculous. If he wants to behave like Joe Citizen then go play local footy and no-one will care. Everyone deserves a second chance - which is why he's at the saints, but if you think that getting blind drunk 2 days before training starts will assist his game you know nothing about sports science. If you're happy for him to get blind drunk every Sat night then you're living in the 80's.

yep its the attitude like mine that made cousins and carey do what they have done ...never have a mentioned for our players to take performance enhancing or any other social drug to enhance their performance...all im saying is that it really doesn't bother me that he got drunk in the off season...being drunk is totally different from using drugs, bashing people and even raping (which a few of our players have been accused off) should we sack them then as well going by your opinion...

i don't know about you but i want this club to win a premiership in my lifetime...and if that means recruiting players who have of field issues then im all for it (which in fact we have with gardiner and lovett)...

But, hang on...

Didn't you previously state this...

everyone seems to think that we should only worry about recruiting players who are angels off the field.

Clue...

Please do not mention EVERYONE if you have not canvassed all Saints supporters

In other words stop your "Grandstanding"

[S.A Saint]

im pretty sure when we recruited gardiner this place went up and when we thought about recruiting cousins that there were people saying they would tear up memberships etc due to the problems they have off the field...

i might have exaggerated it a little, but there was a massive up roar over the players and why we should not take them due to our so called good culture...

[St Fidelius]

im pretty sure when we recruited gardiner this place went up and when we thought about recruiting cousins that there were people saying they would tear up memberships etc due to the problems they have off the field...

i might have exaggerated it a little, but there was a massive up roar over the players and why we should not take them due to our so called good culture...

Well, well...

exaggerated it a little... again just how can you claim that EVERYONE worries about recruiting angels off the field...

I am pretty sure that a good deal of that debate was whether he can make it back and play a match or two...

Yes, I am glad the Club did not recruit Cousins and I stick by the Club on that issue.

[S.A Saint]

im pretty sure when we recruited gardiner this place went up and when we thought about recruiting cousins that there were people saying they would tear up memberships etc due to the problems they have off the field...

i might have exaggerated it a little, but there was a massive up roar over the players and why we should not take them due to our so called good culture...

Well, well...

exaggerated it a little... again just how can you claim that EVERYONE worries about recruiting angels off the field...

I am pretty sure that a good deal of that debate was whether he can make it back and play a match or two...

Yes, I am glad the Club did not recruit Cousins and I stick by the Club on that issue.

and i for one wish they had recruited him as was seen that his performance on and off the field this year would have benefited us..

[St Fidelius]

im pretty sure when we recruited gardiner this place went up and when we thought about recruiting cousins that there were people saying they would tear up memberships etc due to the problems they have off the field...

i might have exaggerated it a little, but there was a massive up roar over the players and why we should not take them due to our so called good culture...

Well, well...

exaggerated it a little... again just how can you claim that EVERYONE worries about recruiting angels off the field...

I am pretty sure that a good deal of that debate was whether he can make it back and play a match or two...

Yes, I am glad the Club did not recruit Cousins and I stick by the Club on that issue.

and i for one wish they had recruited him as was seen that his performance on and off the field this year would have benefited us..

off topic but how exactly...

McQualter may not have played as many games...

posters have claimed that Cousins would have won as the Premiership this year if he played in the GF....

McQualter kicked 22 goals 7 behinds this year

Cousins kicked 5 goals 3 behinds this year

I am wrapped with McQualter's progress this year and I hope that continues, yep I agree with the direction the Club is taking us.

You obviously have some issues with a decision or maybe two that this recent admin staff and coach have made