List Lodgement No 2

[Mr Magic]

DId Carlton delist anybody today?

[saintnick12]

Brad Howards retention is interesting, thought he was a monty for the can

like him or not, they're clearly giving him every opportunity to succeed... i wonder what they see in him and what role they have in mind

Pretty sure it is called a contract.

Well can you please tell me this..

Just when was his contract renewed?

I remember 1 game I some him play with the seniors (it was a home game) , and he did not have a clue, and ran with the ball carrying it behind his flowing neck and was penalised with holding the ball...

No arguement from me. Obviously an error to give him another contract especially since he was delisted about 8 weeks later.

I was very surprised that these two weren't delisted at list lodgement one. It was surprising to see Goose delisted before them. Then I found out they both had contracts. I was surprised L Fisher was not delisted last year so can't believe he had a contract covering both years. Interesting. Were these contracts done by Matthew Drain, or before he took over that position which was the end of last year wasn't it. Anyone know??

[shmic_s]

DId Carlton delist anybody today?

ahhh, so they can pick up the goose!

i want to see him get back out on the field. i'm still holding onto that little bit of hope we re-draft him! highly doubtful thou.

and to answer the question...haven't heard anything offical.

[saintnick12]

DId Carlton delist anybody today?

ahhh, so they can pick up the goose!

i want to see him get back out on the field. i'm still holding onto that little bit of hope we re-draft him! highly doubtful thou.

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there is a really small chance we might rookie draft him...highly doubt it though. But I'll keep hoping until all hope is gone....lol...

[ausfatcat]

they still can pick him


http://news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,2 ... 88,00.html

[goodie]

Still no announcement on Duncan and Widner, getting a tad concerned...

[ace]

Still no announcement on Duncan and Widner, getting a tad concerned...

The club has until 1 December to pre-select them ahead of the rookie draft.

[Mr Magic]

Still no announcement on Duncan and Widner, getting a tad concerned...

The club has until 1 December to pre-select them ahead of the rookie draft.

The Club has included them on tehir 'Sponsorship List'.

[Spinner]

Let's go after Russel Robertson!!!!!

[saintbrat]

DId Carlton delist anybody today?

yes cameron Cloke
http://www.sportsentral.com/pro/main/st ... 738&sr=all

[ace]

DId Carlton delist anybody today?

yes cameron Cloke
http://www.sportsentral.com/pro/main/st ... 738&sr=all

Setanta gave him the boot last year.
Finally Ratten has opened his eyes.

[ace]

Based on List Lodgement No 2
The National Draft picks in white/black are live
and the picks in red are disallowed

Priority selection
1. Melbourne 1

First round
2. Melbourne 2
3. Richmond 1
4. Fremantle 1
5. North Melbourne 1
6. Sydney Swans 1
7. West Coast 1
8. Port Adelaide 1
9. Port Adelaide 2
10. Essendon 1
11. Melbourne 3
12. Carlton 1
13. Adelaide 1
14. Sydney Swans 2
15. Western Bulldogs 1
16. Port Adelaide 3
17. Geelong 1

Second round
18. Melbourne 4
19. Richmond 2
20. Fremantle 2
21. North Melbourne 2
22. West Coast 2
23. West Coast 3
24. Essendon 2
25. North Melbourne 3
26. Essendon 3
27. Brisbane Lions 1
28. Geelong 2
29. Adelaide 2
30. Collingwood 1
31. Western Bulldogs 2
32. St Kilda 1
33. Essendon 4

Third round
34. Melbourne 5
35. Richmond 3
36. Fremantle 3
37. North Melbourne 4
38. Sydney Swans 3
39. Hawthorn 1
40. Geelong 3
41. North Melbourne 5
42. Geelong 3
43. Carlton 2
44. Richmond 4
45. Adelaide 3
46. Hawthorn 2
47. Brisbane Lions 2
48. Fremantle 4
49. Fremantle 5

Fourth round
50. Melbourne-6
51. Richmond 5
52. Fremantle 6
53. North Melbourne 6
54. Sydney Swans 4
55. Sydney Swans 5
56. Geelong 4
57. Hawthorn 3
58. Hawthorn 4
59. Carlton 3
60. St Kilda 2
61. Adelaide 4
62. Collingwood 2
63. Western Bulldogs 3
64. St Kilda 3
65. Geelong 5

Fifth round
66. Melbourne 7
67. Richmond 6
68. Fremantle 7
69. Hawthorn 5
70. Hawthorn
71. West Coast
72. Richmond 7
73. Hawthorn
74. Essendon
75. Carlton
76. Brisbane Lions 3
77. Adelaide
78. Collingwood 3
79. Western Bulldogs 4
80. St Kilda 4
81. Geelong

Sixth round
82. Melbourne
83. Richmond 8
84. Fremantle
85. North Melbourne
86. Sydney Swans 6
87. West Coast
88. Richmond
89. Hawthorn
90. Essendon
91. Carlton
92. Brisbane Lions 4
93. Adelaide
94. Collingwood 4
95. Western Bulldogs
96. St Kilda
97. Geelong

Seventh round
98. Melbourne
99. Richmond
100. Fremantle
101. North Melbourne
102. Sydney Swans
103. West Coast
104. Richmond
105. Hawthorn
106. Essendon
107. Carlton
108. Brisbane Lions 5

[ace]

Eliminating disallowed picks, the new draft order and numbers become.

There are 79 live picks however some of these may PASS to allow that club a pick in the Pre-Season Draft.
Clubs can delist further players at List Lodgement No3 to allow further Pre-Season Draft picks.

St Kilda's live National Draft picks become
Pick 32
Pick 60
Pick 64
Pick 74 (up from pick 80)

Priority selection
1. Melbourne 1

First round
2. Melbourne 2
3. Richmond 1
4. Fremantle 1
5. North Melbourne 1
6. Sydney Swans 1
7. West Coast 1
8. Port Adelaide 1
9. Port Adelaide 2
10. Essendon 1
11. Melbourne 3
12. Carlton 1
13. Adelaide 1
14. Sydney Swans 2
15. Western Bulldogs 1
16. Port Adelaide 3
17. Geelong 1

Second round
18. Melbourne 4
19. Richmond 2
20. Fremantle 2
21. North Melbourne 2
22. West Coast 2
23. West Coast 3
24. Essendon 2
25. North Melbourne 3
26. Essendon 3
27. Brisbane Lions 1
28. Geelong 2
29. Adelaide 2
30. Collingwood 1
31. Western Bulldogs 2
32. St Kilda 1
33. Essendon 4

Third round
34. Melbourne 5
35. Richmond 3
36. Fremantle 3
37. North Melbourne 4
38. Sydney Swans 3
39. Hawthorn 1
40. Geelong 3
41. North Melbourne 5
42. Geelong 3
43. Carlton 2
44. Richmond 4
45. Adelaide 3
46. Hawthorn 2
47. Brisbane Lions 2
48. Fremantle 4
49. Fremantle 5

Fourth round
50. Melbourne 6
51. Richmond 5
52. Fremantle 6
53. North Melbourne 6
54. Sydney Swans 4
55. Sydney Swans 5
56. Geelong 4
57. Hawthorn 3
58. Hawthorn 4
59. Carlton 3
60. St Kilda 2
61. Adelaide 4
62. Collingwood 2
63. Western Bulldogs 3
64. St Kilda 3
65. Geelong 5

Fifth round
66. Melbourne 7
67. Richmond 6
68. Fremantle 7
69. Hawthorn 5
70. Richmond 7
71. Brisbane Lions 3
72. Collingwood 3
73. Western Bulldogs 4
74. St Kilda 4

Sixth round
75. Richmond 8
76. Sydney Swans 6
77. Brisbane Lions 4
78. Collingwood 4

Seventh round
79. Brisbane Lions 5

[Eastern]

Pick 80 effectively becomes Pick 74. That being said, there aren't too many gems left at that stage of a "thin" Draft !!

[ace]

Pick 80 effectively becomes Pick 74. That being said, there aren't too many gems left at that stage of a "thin" Draft !!

Equivalent to pick 111 in an uncompromised draft.

The quality of player at pick 74 is equivalent to Rookie pick 26 last year.

(79 National Draft picks + 6 Pre Season Draft picks + 26 Rookie picks = Pick 111)

Pick 60 is equivalent to Rookie pick 5 and pick 64 equivalent to Rookie pick 11.

Even pick 32 is equivalent to pick 48 last year.


The good news is that it is the same for the other 16 clubs.
All 16 teams must make do with the players they have already got or with lower quality recruits.

[PJ]

So tell me again how many players are we likely to add to the list from here on in? Not rookie list that is.

[Eastern]

So tell me again how many players are we likely to add to the list from here on in? Not rookie list that is.

Permissable 5

Probable 4

That leaves one for the Pre-Season Draft !!

[ace]

So tell me again how many players are we likely to add to the list from here on in? Not rookie list that is.

St Kilda has only 4 live picks in the National Draft because Steven Baker was made a veteran INSIDE the senior list of 38.

Those picks are pciks 32, 60, 64 ,74.
Given the compromised draft I would expect the club to pass at pick 74.

Then use that pick at pick 15 in the Pre-Season Draft on a recycled player OR failing that on a young recruit ahead of the rookie draft.

It is likely that no more than one pick will be made after pick 74, so not many young recruits will be overloooked by waiting.
The field can be closely re-examined in the interval between the National and Pre-Season drafts.

[PJ]

Cheers for that guys - you'd think we'd be looking for at least 1 player from another club. Everyone's talking up J McDonald but the guy from Hawthorn is an interesting One - Mitch......? People have bagged his attitude but you'd think most of that is supposition and besides we're not looking for best friends just f**king good players.

[saintbrat]

I get lost with all these moves
have you accounted this ace
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

[ace]

I get lost with all these moves
have you accounted this ace
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

This is like pre-selected rookies at the rookie draft, the players have to be formally announced but the picks are not live as the pre-selections are already locked in.

It will mean that St Kilda's last live pick may not be the 74th name called but it will be the 74th recruit or recycled player selected.

Miles and Dawson will be St Kilda's 5th and 6th picks unless St Kilda PASSes to create a Pre-Season pick in which case Miles and Dawson will be St Kida's 4th and 5th pick.

[st1]

On the subject of the two NSW Scholarship boys, Duncan and Widner,I read somewhere that the Saints were not going to take them up as rookies. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?

They would not cost anything against the salary cap as rookies but they may be cosidered a waste of money and effort.

The club has until 1 December, the day before List Lodgement No3 is due to pre select them as rookies.
But if the club has NOT already agreed to rookie them, they would have wanted to nominate for the National Draft last Tuesday.

Its not going to happen duncan has nominated for draft after being shafted by the saints not bad after being the only saints scholarship player to play afl for his state for the last 2 years and getting in the best numerous times must be a great draft if he cant get a gig?

[ace]

The AFL Draft List Order published at http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
includes rookie promotions.

This distorted the draft order as these preselections are already locked in.
They are not live picks.

[ace]

The AFL Official order is
I have made the rookie upgrade in red
The Hawthorn, Carlton and Adelaide rookie upgrades make St Kilda's official pick 77, the 74th live pick.


Priority selection
1. Melbourne 1

First round
2. Melbourne 2
3. Richmond 1
4. Fremantle 1
5. North Melbourne 1
6. Sydney Swans 1
7. West Coast 1
8. Port Adelaide 1
9. Port Adelaide 2
10. Essendon 1
11. Melbourne 3
12. Carlton 1
13. Adelaide 1
14. Sydney Swans 2
15. Western Bulldogs 1
16. Port Adelaide 3
17. Geelong 1

Second round
18. Melbourne 4
19. Richmond 2
20. Fremantle 2
21. North Melbourne 2
22. West Coast 2
23. West Coast 3
24. Essendon 2
25. North Melbourne 3
26. Essendon 3
27. Brisbane Lions 1
28. Geelong 2
29. Adelaide 2
30. Collingwood 1
31. Western Bulldogs 2
32. St Kilda 1
33. Essendon 4

Third round
34. Melbourne 5
35. Richmond 3
36. Fremantle 3
37. North Melbourne 4
38. Sydney Swans 3
39. Hawthorn 1
40. Geelong 3
41. North Melbourne 5
42. Geelong 3
43. Carlton 2
44. Richmond 4
45. Adelaide 3
46. Hawthorn 2
47. Brisbane Lions 2
48. Fremantle 4
49. Fremantle 5

Fourth round
50. Melbourne 6
51. Richmond 5
52. Fremantle 6
53. North Melbourne 6
54. Sydney Swans 4
55. Sydney Swans 5
56. Geelong 4
57. Hawthorn 3
58. Hawthorn 4
59. Carlton 3
60. St Kilda 2
61. Adelaide 4
62. Collingwood 2
63. Western Bulldogs 3
64. St Kilda 3
65. Geelong 5

Fifth round
66. Melbourne 7
67. Richmond 6
68. Fremantle 7
69. Hawthorn 5
70. Hawthorn - Rookie Upgrade
71. Richmond 7
72. Carlton - Rookie Upgrade
73. Brisbane Lions 3
74. Adelaide – Rookie Upgrade
75. Collingwood 3
76. Western Bulldogs 4
77. St Kilda 4

Sixth round
78. Richmond 8
79. Fremantle - Rookie Upgrade
80. North Melbourne - Rookie Upgrade
81. Sydney Swans 6
82. Port Adelaide - Rookie Upgrade
83. Carlton - Rookie Upgrade
84. Brisbane Lions 4
85. Collingwood 4
86. Western Bulldogs - Rookie Upgrade
87. St Kilda - Rookie Upgrade

Seventh round
88. Richmond - Rookie Upgrade
89. Sydney Swans - Rookie Upgrade
90. Port Adelaide - Rookie Upgrade
91. Brisbane Lions 5
92. Western Bulldogs - Rookie Upgrade
93. St Kilda - Rookie Upgrade

Eighth round
94. Richmond - Rookie Upgrade
95. Brisbane Lions - Rookie Upgrade

[ace]

On the subject of the two NSW Scholarship boys, Duncan and Widner,I read somewhere that the Saints were not going to take them up as rookies. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?

They would not cost anything against the salary cap as rookies but they may be cosidered a waste of money and effort.

The club has until 1 December, the day before List Lodgement No3 is due to pre select them as rookies.
But if the club has NOT already agreed to rookie them, they would have wanted to nominate for the National Draft last Tuesday.

Its not going to happen duncan has nominated for draft after being shafted by the saints not bad after being the only saints scholarship player to play afl for his state for the last 2 years and getting in the best numerous times must be a great draft if he cant get a gig?

Another take could be he was offered a rookie place but wanted a senior place so nominated for the National Draft.
If he fails, St Kilda could then still pre-select him but he would have to come back across the threshold that Luke Ball would not.