List Lodgement No 2

ace · Post: # 857794Post **ace** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 10:34am

List Lodgement No 2 was due 2PM Friday 13 November 2009
This is how it looks.

It was the last chance for clubs to delist players ahead of the National Draft.
So it was the last chance to clear senior list spaces for National Draft picks.
Each club must have at least three spaces OR two spaces and have permanently promoted at least one rookie.
St Kilda only needed two spaces having permanently promoted both Dawson and Miles.

Red are my edits.
Pick numbers may change if other clubs have failed to delist sufficient players to activate their picks.

Italics yet to be confirmed.
Josh Duncan and Ted Widner can still be pre-selected as rookies and added at List Lodgement No 3, but it is not looking likely.

I have adjusted St Kilda's National Draft pick numbers to suit disallowed picks of all clubs, but not the rookie picks yet.

The AFL Official order includes rookie upgrades to senior players.
These "picks" are already locked in.
AFL pick 77 has 3 picks already destined for rookie upgrades before it, so it is actually the 74th active pick.

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Jones, Clinton
20. King, Steven
21. Koschitzke, Justin
22. Lovett, Andrew
23. Lynch, Tom
24. McEvoy, Ben
25. McQualter, Andrew
26. Miles, Luke
27. Milne, Stephen
28. Montagna, Leigh
29. Peake, Brett
30. Ray, Farren
31. Riewoldt, Nick
32. Schneider, Adam
33. Smith, Alistair
34. Stanley, Rhys
35. Steven, Jack
36. Pick 32
37. Pick 60
38. Pick 64
39. Pick 77 (active pick 74) or Pre-Season Pick 15
40. Pick 87 (active pick79) disallowed due to Baker being inside the list

Rookie list (1 nominated rookie allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
1. Gaertner, Steven (2nd year rookie)
2. McGrath, Blake (2nd year former NSW scholarship)
3. Simpkin, Tom (2nd year rookie)
4. Walsh, Tommy (pre-selected international rookie) (rookie pick 84)
5. Rookie pick 20
6. Rookie pick 36
7. Rockie piack 52
8. Rookie pick 68 allowed due to Baker being inside the list
9. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 100) Duncan, Josh (Pennant Hills NSW )
10. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 116) Widner, Ted (Pennant Hills NSW)

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills) - rookie list

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (rat deserting his team mates), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher, Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

borderbarry · Thu 12 Nov 2009 10:53am

On the subject of the two NSW Scholarship boys, Duncan and Widner,I read somewhere that the Saints were not going to take them up as rookies. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?

Rice Paper · Thu 12 Nov 2009 10:53am

Now that Luke Ball has gone, I think we should attempt to target Joel MacDonald. We are now probably going to take 3 players in the national draft with no one in the pre season.

2 young kids plus someone with a bit of experience, MacDonald played a running half back role with the lions and if everyone hates Raph then maybe Joel can play this role.

Small Forward: Rahn Hooper, has been up and down with off field issues and so probably won't be considered but he is young and plays a very clever small forward role that milne plays and milne is close to the end of his career and we may have to groom a replacement.

borderbarry · Thu 12 Nov 2009 11:00am

I cant see McDonald being an improvement on Raph, besides which we have already traded for Peake. I would rather we use our picks on youngsters. Again, we have enough GOP from other clubs.

borderbarry · Thu 12 Nov 2009 11:03am

I would also like to see Ross continue the experiment he started with Choo Choo, except maybe next time get a lad who has the strengths that Ross felt Choo Choo lacked.

ace · Post: # 857811Post **ace** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 11:20am

borderbarry wrote:On the subject of the two NSW Scholarship boys, Duncan and Widner,I read somewhere that the Saints were not going to take them up as rookies. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?

They would not cost anything against the salary cap as rookies but they may be cosidered a waste of money and effort.

The club has until 1 December, the day before List Lodgement No3 is due to pre select them as rookies.
But if the club has NOT already agreed to rookie them, they would have wanted to nominate for the National Draft last Tuesday.

saintly · Post: # 857827Post **saintly** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 12:31pm

Ace ,

yellow is difficult to rad. can you please us anothercolor say red? or blue?

thanks

fingers · Post: # 857857Post **fingers** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 2:04pm

saintly wrote:Ace ,

yellow is difficult to rad. can you please us anothercolor say red? or blue?

thanks

Grey

ace · Post: # 857862Post **ace** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 2:22pm

I have found many of the colours work poorly especially when the sun hits my screen.
But lets do a test.

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Eastern · Post: # 857872Post **Eastern** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 2:25pm

Dark Blue. I can't read the yellow (could be failing eyesight caused by OLD age ) !!

ace · Post: # 857864Post **ace** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 2:26pm

I have found many of the colours work poorly especially when the sun hits my screen.
But lets do a test.
AND the alternate background.

Which is best

Which is best

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Dark Red, Brown, Green, Olive, Dark Blue and Indigo are pathetic against the dark grey background.

Yellow still looks good to me, but which do you think is best Red, Orange, Yellow, Cyan, Blue, Violet(pink)

skeptic · Post: # 857881Post **skeptic** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 3:02pm

Brad Howards retention is interesting, thought he was a monty for the can

like him or not, they're clearly giving him every opportunity to succeed... i wonder what they see in him and what role they have in mind

ace · Post: # 857888Post **ace** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 3:19pm

Eastern wrote:Dark Blue. I can't read the yellow (could be failing eyesight caused by OLD age ) !!

Eastern beat me to the alternate background.

bobmurray · Post: # 857945Post **bobmurray** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 6:12pm

Yellow is crap against my white background

plugger66 · Post: # 857975Post **plugger66** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 7:33pm

skeptic wrote:Brad Howards retention is interesting, thought he was a monty for the can

like him or not, they're clearly giving him every opportunity to succeed... i wonder what they see in him and what role they have in mind

Pretty sure it is called a contract.

St Fidelius · Thu 12 Nov 2009 8:04pm

plugger66 wrote:
skeptic wrote:Brad Howards retention is interesting, thought he was a monty for the can

like him or not, they're clearly giving him every opportunity to succeed... i wonder what they see in him and what role they have in mind
Pretty sure it is called a contract.

Well can you please tell me this..

Just when was his contract renewed?

I remember 1 game I some him play with the seniors (it was a home game) , and he did not have a clue, and ran with the ball carrying it behind his flowing neck and was penalised with holding the ball...

plugger66 · Post: # 857987Post **plugger66** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 8:08pm

St Fidelius wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
skeptic wrote:Brad Howards retention is interesting, thought he was a monty for the can

like him or not, they're clearly giving him every opportunity to succeed... i wonder what they see in him and what role they have in mind
Pretty sure it is called a contract.
Well can you please tell me this..

Just when was his contract renewed?

I remember 1 game I some him play with the seniors (it was a home game) , and he did not have a clue, and ran with the ball carrying it behind his flowing neck and was penalised with holding the ball...

No arguement from me. Obviously an error to give him another contract especially since he was delisted about 8 weeks later.

saintbrat · Post: # 857989Post **saintbrat** » Thu 12 Nov 2009 8:12pm

bobmurray wrote:Yellow is crap against my white background

ace · Post: # 858143Post **ace** » Fri 13 Nov 2009 11:43am

saintbrat wrote:
bobmurray wrote:Yellow is crap against my white background

I get alternate dark grey and light grey backgrounds with default white text.
Quote boxes have a black background.

How do you get a white background.
It must make reading the white text a little hard.

borderbarry · Fri 13 Nov 2009 12:10pm

Getting back to the footy, Howard was given his contract at the end of the 2008 season, then demoted to rookie list. Great decision. He still has one year to go. Likewise Leigh Fisher was given a contract that was too long for a player of his ability.

saintbrat · Post: # 858177Post **saintbrat** » Fri 13 Nov 2009 2:15pm

ace wrote:
saintbrat wrote:
bobmurray wrote:Yellow is crap against my white background
I get alternate dark grey and light grey backgrounds with default white text.
Quote boxes have a black background.

How do you get a white background.
It must make reading the white text a little hard.

White background, black text, grey highlight
under your Profile
"saintsational2" under "Board style'

much easier to read for those of us with extra eyes, L(

ThomasR · Post: # 858180Post **ThomasR** » Fri 13 Nov 2009 2:34pm

Fisher and Howard goorne

ace · Post: # 858181Post **ace** » Fri 13 Nov 2009 2:35pm

Red it is.

It should look good in a quote box using Saintsational 1 - white and red text on a black background.

Those colours always look good together.

saintbrat · Post: # 858183Post **saintbrat** » Fri 13 Nov 2009 2:37pm

ThomasR wrote:Fisher and Howard goorne

http://www.saints.com.au/season2009/new ... fault.aspx
Following Luke Ballâ€™s decision earlier this week to formally leave the Club and nominate for the AFL Draft, he has officially been delisted, along with Leigh Fisher. Brad Howard has also been delisted off the Rookie list.

sax · Post: # 858187Post **sax** » Fri 13 Nov 2009 2:38pm

Saints make final list changes

2:23 PM Fri 13 November, 2009

St. Kilda Football Club has today announced it has made the following changes to its playing list ahead of the 2010 season, in accordance with todayâ€™s 2pm list lodgement deadline.

Following Luke Ballâ€™s decision earlier this week to formally leave the Club and nominate for the AFL Draft, he has officially been delisted, along with Leigh Fisher. Brad Howard has also been delisted off the Rookie list.

Newly recruited Irishman Tommy Walsh joins the Saints as an International Rookie.

http://www.saints.com.au/season2009/new ... fault.aspx