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plugger66 wrote:Not sure they are that obvious. Fisher under contract so they may keep him. Conners played one year of footy and is still only 19.
How long was Fisher's contract? Did we re-sign him to a three-year deal after 07? That would strike me as odd, as he wasn't exactly clear best-22 material then. Or did GT unleash another 4-year deal in his last season at the club?

Connors missed most (all?) of his first year with injuries. He missed most of his last year of junior with injuries. He didn't set the world on fire this year when he was out there. He does seem to be a candidate to be dropped to the rookie list, or altogether. It's hard to tell what they're going to do.

Howard's under contract for next year too, isn't he?


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IIRC Howard still has one year left?

IMO Fisher will be kept, he's pretty good backup and would be getting a game in 10 other teams.


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Post: # 847796Post Teflon »

Geezus blind Freddy can see we are going nowhere with Howard and Fisher with his so called brilliant season hasnt looked like getting a game...surely its about QUALITY depth....would Leigh Fisher get a game at Geelong?

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Howard was picked up as a rookie last year yeah? So he'd have one more year on the rookie list. We'd have to pay his contract out to delist him then?

Agreed though, he really hasn't showed much in his 3 years at the club...No idea how he'll break into our team now.


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mick13 wrote:Howard was picked up as a rookie last year yeah? So he'd have one more year on the rookie list. We'd have to pay his contract out to delist him then?

Agreed though, he really hasn't showed much in his 3 years at the club...No idea how he'll break into our team now.
Howard was given a 2 year contract but was delisted and re rookied. They would then have to give him a new contract which would be usually for one year as a rookie. Not many if any get 2 years these days.


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plugger66 wrote:
mick13 wrote:Howard was picked up as a rookie last year yeah? So he'd have one more year on the rookie list. We'd have to pay his contract out to delist him then?

Agreed though, he really hasn't showed much in his 3 years at the club...No idea how he'll break into our team now.
Howard was given a 2 year contract but was delisted and re rookied. They would then have to give him a new contract which would be usually for one year as a rookie. Not many if any get 2 years these days.
i would have thought that even though he return this year as rookie the original contract of the amount and and the no. of years would still have stood.


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Post: # 847875Post milney044 »

Plugger, who do you think will get the chop then?


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St Fidelius wrote:Under what category would an Irish recruit fall into?
See the 16th post - they can go into the national draft and become an automatic senior player if selected.
They can agree to pre-selection for the rookie draft and become a normal rookie but one who can remain a rookie for 3 years before being forced to face the national draft.

I would expect Walsh or any Irish to be pre-selected for the rookie draft as none has gone into the national draft and been taken in the 13 years the rookie draft has existed.


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ace wrote:
St Fidelius wrote:Under what category would an Irish recruit fall into?
See the 16th post - they can go into the national draft and become an automatic senior player if selected.
They can agree to pre-selection for the rookie draft and become a normal rookie but one who can remain a rookie for 3 years before being forced to face the national draft.

I would expect Walsh or any Irish to be pre-selected for the rookie draft as none has gone into the national draft and been taken in the 13 years the rookie draft has existed.
Thanks ace, so has the AFL stopped the international rookie system where these players were not included in the Clubs salary cap???


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St Fidelius wrote:
ace wrote:
St Fidelius wrote:Under what category would an Irish recruit fall into?
See the 16th post - they can go into the national draft and become an automatic senior player if selected.
They can agree to pre-selection for the rookie draft and become a normal rookie but one who can remain a rookie for 3 years before being forced to face the national draft.

I would expect Walsh or any Irish to be pre-selected for the rookie draft as none has gone into the national draft and been taken in the 13 years the rookie draft has existed.
Thanks ace, so has the AFL stopped the international rookie system where these players were not included in the Clubs salary cap???
The term INTERNATIONALl has 2 meanings within the AFL.

For SCHOLARSHIP purposes they apply an "international development region" test that does not include Australia or Ireland.
So a kid residng in Australia or Ireland can not be put on an internatonal scholarship.
Former International Scholarship rookies count as if they were former NSW Scholarship rookies.
A team can have up to 3 former NSW/ACT/International rookies.

For PLAYER purposes they apply a "true international" test that only excludes Australia.
An International Rookie counts like normal rookies.
A team can have up to 6 normal rookies for 2009 & 2010, 4 thereafter but the AFL is thinking to extend the 6 limit.
International Rookies may be retained for 3 years without having to go through the national draft whereas an Australian rookie has to face the national draft before being pre selected for a 3rd year.
International Rookies can be pre-selected before the rookie draft whereas Australian Rookies can not.

It has all to do with an agreement with the Irish GAA, that our teams would not poach Irish kids by a scholarships system but would wait for the kids to come of age.

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St Fidelius wrote:
ace wrote:
St Fidelius wrote:Under what category would an Irish recruit fall into?
See the 16th post - they can go into the national draft and become an automatic senior player if selected.
They can agree to pre-selection for the rookie draft and become a normal rookie but one who can remain a rookie for 3 years before being forced to face the national draft.

I would expect Walsh or any Irish to be pre-selected for the rookie draft as none has gone into the national draft and been taken in the 13 years the rookie draft has existed.
Thanks ace, so has the AFL stopped the international rookie system where these players were not included in the Clubs salary cap???
In general rookies don't count against the salary cap.
Relocation expenses, airfares, and rookies salary payments do not count against the salary cap (total player payments).
Even a rookie temporarily promoted to replace a long term injured player doesn't count because the injured player is still getting paid.

Except that when the temporarily promoted rookie remains on the senior list when long term injured players return.
This is only possible when the club did not have a full 40 senior and veteran list to start with.

Except that 50% a Nominated Rookie does count.
A nominated rookie is a rookie eligible to play senior footy because the club has less than 40 senior and veteran players.

A rookies gets $34,300 in 2010 ($33,200 in 2009)
If temporarily promoted on a monthly pro rata basis they get $49,400 plus $2,800 per match plus a $2,650 bonus per 5 matches or part thereof up to $7,950.
($47,800 plus $2,700 and bonuses of $2,600 up to $7,800 in 2009)

Total player payments limit for 2009 was $7,950,000
Total player payments limit for 2010 is $8,212,500
Player marketing agreements (additional services agreements) limit for 2009 was $537,000
Player marketing agreements (additional services agreements) limit for 2010 is $555,000

Commercial, non marketing arrangements approved by the AFL which have no connection to Club Sponsorship are not counted.

Not sure, but it seems, if a supporter, not a club sponsor, were to employ a footballer to mow supporter's lawns once a year, the supporter could pay the player anything he likes.
The club may then look favourably on the supporter, so long as there is no marketing involved.


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Re: St Kilda's 2010 List

Post: # 853718Post ace »

This now how the list should look tomorrow before 2PM when it is submitted at List Lodgement No 1.

ST KILDA
Senior List
{Total of 38 plus 2 veterans outside list}
1. Lovett, Andrew
2. Armitage, David
3. Baker, Steven (veteran – outside list)
4. Ball, Luke
5. Blake, Jason
6. Cahill, Paul
7. Clarke, Raphael
8. Dal Santo, Nick
9. Dawson, Zac
10. Dempster, Sean
11. Eddy, Robert
12. Fisher, Leigh
13. Fisher, Sam
14. Gardiner, Michael
15. Geary, Jarryn
16. Gilbert, Sam
17. Goddard, Brendon
18. Gram, Jason
19. Gwilt, James
20. Hayes, Lenny (veteran – outside list)
21. Heyne, Nick
22. Peake, Brett
23. Jones, Clinton
24. King, Steven
25. Koschitzke, Justin
26. Lynch, Tom
27. McEvoy, Ben
28. McQualter, Andrew
29. Miles, Luke
30. Milne, Stephen
31. Montagna, Leigh
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Stanley, Rhys
37. Steven, Jack
38. ----------
39. ----------
40. ----------

{St Kilda must use draft picks 32 and 60 but can pass on pick 64 if they want to use it in the pre season draft.}


Rookie List
{Total of 6 plus 3 former NSW scholarship}
1. Gaertner, Steven
2. Howard, Brad
3. McGrath, Blake former NSW scholarship)
4. Simpkin, Tom
5. ----------
6. ----------
7. ----------
8. ---------- (former NSW scholarship rookie only)
9. ---------- (former NSW scholarship rookie only)

{St Kilda will have rookie picks 20 and 36
Expect Tommy Walsh to pre-selected at rookie pick 52
Expect Josh Duncan and Ted Widner to be pre-selected as former NSW scholarship rookies at rookie picks 68 and 84}.



NSW Scholarship List
1. Ferguson, Jackson
2. Murphy, Kane


ADDITIONS:
Exchange period – received: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
Scholarship elevation: TBA
NAB AFL Draft: TBA
NAB AFL Rookie Draft: TBA

DELETIONS:
Retired: Jarryd Allen , Max Hudghton
Exchange period – traded: – Xavier Clarke
Delisted: Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Khan Haretuku (rookie list), Matthew Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie list), Ross Tungatalum (rookie list)


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