Luke can nominate for National Draft

chook23 · Post: # 846354Post **chook23** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:39pm

Brown from north got picked up by pies via ND

not PSD

claystreet · Post: # 846358Post **claystreet** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:39pm

He can nominate for any draft he likes

Armoooo · Post: # 846366Post **Armoooo** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:41pm

Now this is not so promising...

saintm · Post: # 846372Post **saintm** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:42pm

From memory he (Brown) trained with them prior to last year's draft and was then picked up.

I wonder how much notice Club's take of these actions - do you risk drafting a player who doesn't want to play for you. or would Luke Ball be considered a much better player than, say, Brown and you take your chances?

suss · Post: # 846378Post **suss** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:45pm

Luke wouldn't take the chance - he could end up anywhere including Port or Freo. It he didn't resign he'd nominate for the PSD and most likely go to Melbourne - which it kinda like ending up in purgatory.

Animal Enclosure · Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:51pm

suss wrote:Luke wouldn't take the chance - he could end up anywhere including Port or Freo. It he didn't resign he'd nominate for the PSD and most likely go to Melbourne - which it kinda like ending up in purgatory.

Exactly... in a weak draft an up & coming side will still take him.

Melbourne still have their 2nd round pick as do a number of other clubs before the FILTH.

I'd say that there is a 75% chance at present of Luke being in red, white & black in 2010.

Thinline · Post: # 846403Post **Thinline** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:52pm

Animal Enclosure wrote:
suss wrote:Luke wouldn't take the chance - he could end up anywhere including Port or Freo. It he didn't resign he'd nominate for the PSD and most likely go to Melbourne - which it kinda like ending up in purgatory.
Exactly... in a weak draft an up & coming side will still take him.

Melbourne still have their 2nd round pick as do a number of other clubs before the FILTH.

I'd say that there is a 75% chance at present of Luke being in red, white & black in 2010.

Fair summation.

Saints reneged on another back ender or to Melbourne with their second pick.

Mooksy · Post: # 846405Post **Mooksy** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:54pm

Something that has been lost in most of this is....what sort of moron puts him on $600k in the first place FFS!

ThePunter · Post: # 846408Post **ThePunter** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:55pm

It depends on what list lodgement he is delisted on, doesn't it?

Previously, clubs could wait until after the National Draft to try and re-sign a player. Then, when clubs arrived at the list lodgement immediately before the PSD, then they could only have players under contract listed.

It may have changed with all the GC-related changes, but that certainly used to be the way.

Animal Enclosure · Fri 09 Oct 2009 2:58pm

ThePunter wrote:It depends on what list lodgement he is delisted on, doesn't it?

Previously, clubs could wait until after the National Draft to try and re-sign a player. Then, when clubs arrived at the list lodgement immediately before the PSD, then they could only have players under contract listed.

It may have changed with all the GC-related changes, but that certainly used to be the way.

I think players out of contract now have the right to enter either draft & 'de-list' themselves to give them two bites at the cherry.

SENsei · Post: # 846432Post **SENsei** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 3:06pm

Mooksy wrote:Something that has been lost in most of this is....what sort of moron puts him on $600k in the first place FFS!

He's gone.

Move on.

Moods · Post: # 846515Post **Moods** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 3:52pm

SENsaintsational wrote:
Mooksy wrote:Something that has been lost in most of this is....what sort of moron puts him on $600k in the first place FFS!
He's gone.

Move on.

At the end of 2005 he was probably worth that. especially considering the player we all hoped he would become. In retrospect - yes, grossly overpaid, but not sure it was moronic. Hardly under his value though as some have suggested.

SainterK · Post: # 846543Post **SainterK** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 4:08pm

So you're saying that Collingwood would tell Luke Ball that they want him, again, and he would believe them

bob__71 · Post: # 846545Post **bob__71** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 4:13pm

He cant put a price on his head in the National draft can he. So he could end up at another club on an even lower wage.

saintrod · Post: # 846546Post **saintrod** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 4:14pm

Don't think you can put a price on yourself in the national draft - so another reason he won't be there as he could find himself playing on minimum $ for Freo

goodie · Post: # 846555Post **goodie** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 4:26pm

Collingwood traded their first round pick, and the odds of him lasting through to pick 30 vs. being picked up by any club before them are certainly not in his favour.

Art Vandelay · Fri 09 Oct 2009 7:27pm

Can only nominate for the National Draft if he is delisted prior to his contract expiring which is October 31.

If he isn't delisted, he can only nominate for the PSD when his contract expires on October 31.

me thinks, we should hold on to him until October 31....that way he will never end up at the filth!!!

Milan Faletic · Fri 09 Oct 2009 7:44pm

There's gonna be a heck of a draft before the National Draft.

It may smell a little eggy too

Dan Warna · Post: # 846701Post **Dan Warna** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 7:47pm

look im hoping we can come to an agreement with ball, he is a class player.

ace · Post: # 846707Post **ace** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 7:53pm

bob__71 wrote:He cant put a price on his head in the National draft can he. So he could end up at another club on an even lower wage.

The AFL has set minimum contract amounts for the first few years of drafted players, clubs only have to pay a player more by mutual consent - contract.
If Luke were taken in the national draft, a club could say we only have enough in our salary cap to pay the minimum.
In that circumstance Luke either plays for minimum money or does not play for anyone.
He can only be sure of getting a good salary if he goes into the pre-season draft.

Unforgiven · Post: # 846709Post **Unforgiven** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 7:57pm

I think Luke has to nominate his salary before entering the PSD.

ace · Post: # 846711Post **ace** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 7:59pm

SainterK wrote:So you're saying that Collingwood would tell Luke Ball that they want him, again, and he would believe them

Yeah like a baby boy who has seen a new toy they wil tell him they want him desperately.
But not enough to choose to surrender a toy they don'tt even use.
They want the new toy for christmas and to keep all their other toys.

Milan Faletic · Fri 09 Oct 2009 8:03pm

ace wrote:
SainterK wrote:So you're saying that Collingwood would tell Luke Ball that they want him, again, and he would believe them
Yeah like a baby boy who has seen a new toy they wil tell him they want him desperately.
But not enough to choose to surrender a toy they don'tt even use.
They want the new toy for christmas and to keep all their other toys.

Strong rumour that Bally failed the tattoo test

Dan Warna · Post: # 846719Post **Dan Warna** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 8:10pm

I believe Ball may have baffled the pies negotiators by using words of more than one syllable.

ace · Post: # 846724Post **ace** » Fri 09 Oct 2009 8:15pm

Luke is a St Kilda listed player.
So long as he is a listed player St Kilda is entitled to continue to negotiate.

If St Kilda delist Luke at or before List Lodgement 2 (13 November) he can nominate for the national draft before 18 November.
After which date Luke can nominate for the pre-season draft.

After 13 November through to 1 December Luke can nominate himself as a listed out of contract player which places him in the pre-season draft.

So it is up to St Kilda if he can go into the national draft.