St Kilda's 2010 List

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ST KILDA
Senior List
1. Lovett, Andrew
2. Armitage, David
3. Baker, Steven (veteran – outside list)
4. Ball, Luke
5. Begley, Colm
6. Blake, Jason
7. Cahill, Paul
8. Clarke, Raphael
9. Connors, Eljay
10. Dal Santo, Nick
11. Dawson, Zac
12. Dempster, Sean
13. Eddy, Robert
14. Fisher, Leigh
15. Fisher, Sam
16. Gardiner, Michael
17. Geary, Jarryn
18. Gilbert, Sam
19. Goddard, Brendon
20. Gram, Jason
21. Gwilt, James
22. Hayes, Lenny (veteran – outside list)
23. Heyne, Nick
24. Peake, Brett
25. Jones, Clinton
26. King, Steven
27. Koschitzke, Justin
28. Lynch, Tom
29. Maguire, Matt
30. McEvoy, Ben
31. McQualter, Andrew
32. Miles, Luke
33. Milne, Stephen
34. Montagna, Leigh
35. Ray, Farren
36. Riewoldt, Nick
37. Schneider, Adam
38. Smith, Alistair
39. Stanley, Rhys
40. Steven, Jack
41. National draft pick 32, 2nd round
42. National draft pick 60, 4th round
43. National draft pick 64, 4th round

Must be reduced to a total of 40
3 draft picks must be used, but the promotion of 1 rookie can count instead of 1 pick hence
St Kilda MUST use picks 32 and 60.


Rookie List
1. Ducan, Josh (former NSW scholarship)
2. Gaertner, Steven
3. Haretuku, Khan
4. Howard, Brad
5. McGarry, Sam
6. McGrath, Blake former NSW scholarship)
7. Simpkin, Tom
8. Tungatulum, Ross
9. Widner, Ted (former NSW scholarship)
10. Rookie draft pick 20, 1st round
11. Rookie draft pick 36, 2nd round
12. Rookie draft pick 52, 3rd round

Must be reduced to total of 6 plus 3 former NSW scholarship


NSW Scholarship List
1. Ferguson, Jackson
2. Murphy, Kane

ADDITIONS:
Exchange period – received: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) – rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills ) - rookie list
NAB AFL Draft: TBA
NAB AFL Rookie Draft: TBA

DELETIONS:
Retired: Jarryd Allen , Max Hudghton
Exchange period – traded: – Xavier Clarke
Delisted: TBA

[ThePunter]

I think the 40 will be:

1 Gram
2 King
5 McEvoy
7 Hayes (v)
9 Lovett
10 Baker
11 Montagna
12 Riewoldt
13 Schneider
14 Ball (10)
15 Gardiner
16 Clarke
18 Goddard
19 Gilbert
20 Armitage
21 Heyne
22 Ray
23 Koschitzke
24 Dempster
25 Fisher (20)
26 Dal Santo
27 Blake
28 Stanley
29 Lynch
31 Maguire
32 McQualter
33 Gwilt
34 Steven
38 Jones
39 Smith (30)
40 Eddy
41 Cahill
42 Geary
43 Dawson
44 Milne
45 Miles
47 Simpkin (could be retained on rookie list)
Peake
1st Draft pick
2nd Draft pick/Begley/Connors

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Picks 60 and 64 are equivalent to 90 and 96 in an uncompromised draft.
Clubs normally leave players of that quality to the rookie draft.

St Kilda may only use their No 32 and No 60 picks in the national draft.
The promotion of Dawson or Miles will satisfy 1 of these 3 changes but not both.

However if clubs have decided that certain players are not going to make it they can clear space on their senior lists and pay rookie quality players a little extra and include them in the salary cap.
That way they don't have to wait so deep into the rookie draft.

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If Ball turns down St Kilda's new offer an goes to the pre-season draft,
AND
St Kilda only uses picks 32 & 60
1 senior delisting is required.


If Ball accepts St Kilda's new offer.
AND
St Kilda only uses pick 32 & 60
2 senior delisting required.
Leigh Fisher and Eljay Connors would be candidates

(Although I would much prefer to see someone fire Paul Connors as well)


Any other delisting than this one would be because the club has chosen to give some rookie quality kid a chance in place of someone who is no longer required.

[SaintSimmo]

ST KILDA
Senior List
1. Lovett, Andrew
2. Armitage, David
3. Baker, Steven (veteran – outside list)
4. Ball, Luke
5. Begley, Colm
6. Blake, Jason
7. Cahill, Paul
8. Clarke, Raphael
9. Connors, Eljay
10. Dal Santo, Nick
11. Dawson, Zac
12. Dempster, Sean
13. Eddy, Robert
14. Fisher, Leigh
15. Fisher, Sam
16. Gardiner, Michael
17. Geary, Jarryn
18. Gilbert, Sam
19. Goddard, Brendon
20. Gram, Jason
21. Gwilt, James
22. Hayes, Lenny (veteran – outside list)
23. Heyne, Nick
24. Peake, Brett
25. Jones, Clinton
26. King, Steven
27. Koschitzke, Justin
28. Lynch, Tom
29. Maguire, Matt
30. McEvoy, Ben
31. McQualter, Andrew
32. Miles, Luke
33. Milne, Stephen
34. Montagna, Leigh
35. Ray, Farren
36. Riewoldt, Nick
37. Schneider, Adam
38. Smith, Alistair
39. Stanley, Rhys
40. Steven, Jack
41. National draft pick 32, 2nd round
42. National draft pick 60, 4th round
43. National draft pick 64, 4th round

Must be reduced to a total of 40



Rookie List
1. Ducan, Josh (former NSW scholarship)
2. Gaertner, Steven
3. Haretuku, Khan
4. Howard, Brad
5. McGarry, Sam
6. McGrath, Blake former NSW scholarship)
7. Simpkin, Tom
8. Tungatulum, Ross
9. Widner, Ted (former NSW scholarship)
10. Rookie draft pick 20, 1st round
11. Rookie draft pick 36, 2nd round
12. Rookie draft pick 52, 3rd round

Must be reduced to total of 6 plus 3 former NSW scholarship


NSW Scholarship List
1. Ferguson, Jackson
2. Murphy, Kane

ADDITIONS:
Exchange period – received: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) – rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills ) - rookie list
NAB AFL Draft: TBA
NAB AFL Rookie Draft: TBA

DELETIONS:
Retired: Jarryd Allen , Max Hudghton
Exchange period – traded: – Xavier Clarke
Delisted: TBA

Connors and L. Fisher will be delisted i reckon. Brad howard also delisted he has had his chances. Haretuku, Khan probs gone aswell.

[ThePunter]

The three rookies retained will be McGarry, Tungatulum and Gaertner. Add three NSW scholarship and three new rookies.

Miles, Dawson and Simpkin to be elevated.

Haretuku and Howard delisted.

[SaintWodonga]

The three rookies retained will be McGarry, Tungatulum and Gaertner. Add three NSW scholarship and three new rookies.

Miles, Dawson and Simpkin to be elevated.

Haretuku and Howard delisted.

What happens if the 2 Irish blokes come over? Are they on a special international listing?

[SENsei]

My senior delisting predictions are:

Leigh Fisher
Luke Ball
Matt Maguire (argument to keep, don't think he will be kept)
Luke Miles


Just my thoughts and not the thoughts of the writer.

[saintly]

iMiles, Dawson and Simpkin to be elevated

is that official ?known?

or what the saints should do?

[ThePunter]

No, my post is a prediction.

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If St Kilda is to participate in the rookie draft other than to formalise the promotion of NSW scholarship players to rookies then space must be made.

This is especially necessary if Tommy Walsh, David Moran or any other Irish is to be preselected as a rookie.

Brad Howard and Khan Haretuku would seem to be under threat.

[SENsei]

No, my post is a prediction.

Yes I see we differ on Miles.

We'll see who is right on the fireman!!

[Gurgman]

Good question , whats the go with the irish guys , do we have first crack at them or is it open slather ?
ps , i only want one of them , i havnt seen the other but Tommy will do me

[Gurgman]

iMiles, Dawson and Simpkin to be elevated

is that official ?known?

or what the saints should do?

My love child could make dramatic improvement this year ( Simpkin )

[Bernard Shakey]

I've heard, from a reliable source, Tunga won't be kept.

[ace]

Good question , whats the go with the irish guys , do we have first crack at them or is it open slather ?
ps , i only want one of them , i havnt seen the other but Tommy will do me

There is nothing preventing them nominating for the national draft but they need a little more help than the average aussie kid - airfares etc so they normally either deal with a club or an agent.
They have a lot more difficulty displaying their talent and they are more risky to clubs.


For the rookie draft it is open slather to get ther signature, but if you get their signature you can pre-select them before the rookie draft which means only you can rookie them.

If you want you can leave a space free on the senior list and then play them in the senior team as a nominated rookie or promote them to a senior player.

No irish has been picked in the national draft since the inception of the rookie draft at the ed of 1996 (1997 rookie draft ).
16 have been taken as rookies.
The first rookied has been the most successful - Tadgh Kennelly formerly of Sydney.
He was rookied at the end of 1999 (in the 2000 rookie draft )

[borderbarry]

Not sure about retaining Miles, especially after our trade period.

[milney044]

When do delistings have to be in by??

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When do delistings have to be in by??

SEE
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=57477

Permanent promotion of rookies, retention of rookies and hence delisting of rookies - 30 Oct = List Lodgement 1.

Out of contract senior players nomination for National Draft closes 10 November.
(If Ball remains without contract and wants to go into National Draft he must nominate before this).

Delisting of senior players to clear space for National Draft - 13 November = List Lodgement 2.
(Assuming at least one rookie promotion e.g. Dawson, Miles, Simpkin, St Kilda needs to have a minimum of 2 spaces meaning a maximum of 38 senior and veteran players).

Delisted senior players nomination for National Draft closes 18 November
(If St Kilda delists Ball and he wants to go into the National Draft he must nominate before this)

Out of contract senior list players nomination for the pre-season draft - 1 December
(If Ball remains without contract and he wants to go into the Pre- Season Draft he must nominate before this)

Delisting of senior players to clear space for Pre Season Draft picks - 2 December = List Lodgement 3.

Delisted senior players nomination for Pre Season Draft closes 8 December
(If St Kilda delists Ball and he wants to go into the Pre Seasonl Draft he must nominate before this)

Pre selection of former NSW scholarship rookies, preselection international rookies, preselection of 3rd year rookies) - 1 December
(If St Kilda wants make rookies of Josh Duncan, Ted Widner, Tommy Walsh etc they must pre-select them before this for the rookie draft).

[makemytime]

Colm Begley, geeez, I reckon hes in danger
Leigh Fisher, apparently he had a great pre-season, yet he doesn't get chosen for any games at all or as an emergency
Connors has to go

[vacuous space]

My prediction:

OUT:

Allen - retired
Baker - veteran o/s list
Ball - delisted
Begley - retired
X. Clarke - to Brisbane
Connors - delisted
L. Fisher - delisted
Hayes - veteran o/s list
Hudghton (veteran) - retired


IN:

Pick 32
Pick 60
Pick 64
Dawson
Lovett
Miles
Peake
Simpkin

Obviously, there's a lot of water to go under the bridge yet. Ball needs to make his decision. As far as I know, Begley hasn't committed to going home yet. I don't think Maguire has re-signed either, so that's another question. There's no guarantee we won't keep Connors or upgrade either Miles or Simpkin. It's hard to tell how many picks we're planning on using, but I'm standing by my prediction, despite RL's comments post-trade week.

The other thing is the NSW scholarship kids (Duncan and Widner). If we try and rookie them, they have the option of going into the ND. I'm not sure whether they'd have reasonable prospects of getting drafted or not. One other possibility I considered from RLs comments is that we may use our last pick on one of them, thus rendering our last draft spot irrelevant.

One final prediction - I bet if you bookmark this thread and take a look after final list lodgement, none of us will have got it right.

[St Fidelius]

Under what category would an Irish recruit fall into?

[bigcarl]

Leigh Fisher, apparently he had a great pre-season, yet he doesn't get chosen for any games at all or as an emergency

and played some good football for sandringham. wouldn't concern me if he stayed. good depth player at the very least.

[milney044]

When do delistings have to be in by??

SEE
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=57477

Permanent promotion of rookies, retention of rookies and hence delisting of rookies - 30 Oct = List Lodgement 1.

Out of contract senior players nomination for National Draft closes 10 November.
(If Ball remains without contract and wants to go into National Draft he must nominate before this).

Delisting of senior players to clear space for National Draft - 13 November = List Lodgement 2.
(Assuming at least one rookie promotion e.g. Dawson, Miles, Simpkin, St Kilda needs to have a minimum of 2 spaces meaning a maximum of 38 senior and veteran players).

Delisted senior players nomination for National Draft closes 18 November
(If St Kilda delists Ball and he wants to go into the National Draft he must nominate before this)

Out of contract senior list players nomination for the pre-season draft - 1 December
(If Ball remains without contract and he wants to go into the Pre- Season Draft he must nominate before this)

Delisting of senior players to clear space for Pre Season Draft picks - 2 December = List Lodgement 3.

Delisted senior players nomination for Pre Season Draft closes 8 December
(If St Kilda delists Ball and he wants to go into the Pre Seasonl Draft he must nominate before this)

Pre selection of former NSW scholarship rookies, preselection international rookies, preselection of 3rd year rookies) - 1 December
(If St Kilda wants make rookies of Josh Duncan, Ted Widner, Tommy Walsh etc they must pre-select them before this for the rookie draft).

Thanks for clearing that up ace.
My guess at delistings would be the obvious- Fisher and Connors. And surely it's time to say goodbye to Howard.

[plugger66]

When do delistings have to be in by??

SEE
http://www.saintsational.com/forum/view ... hp?t=57477

Permanent promotion of rookies, retention of rookies and hence delisting of rookies - 30 Oct = List Lodgement 1.

Out of contract senior players nomination for National Draft closes 10 November.
(If Ball remains without contract and wants to go into National Draft he must nominate before this).

Delisting of senior players to clear space for National Draft - 13 November = List Lodgement 2.
(Assuming at least one rookie promotion e.g. Dawson, Miles, Simpkin, St Kilda needs to have a minimum of 2 spaces meaning a maximum of 38 senior and veteran players).

Delisted senior players nomination for National Draft closes 18 November
(If St Kilda delists Ball and he wants to go into the National Draft he must nominate before this)

Out of contract senior list players nomination for the pre-season draft - 1 December
(If Ball remains without contract and he wants to go into the Pre- Season Draft he must nominate before this)

Delisting of senior players to clear space for Pre Season Draft picks - 2 December = List Lodgement 3.

Delisted senior players nomination for Pre Season Draft closes 8 December
(If St Kilda delists Ball and he wants to go into the Pre Seasonl Draft he must nominate before this)

Pre selection of former NSW scholarship rookies, preselection international rookies, preselection of 3rd year rookies) - 1 December
(If St Kilda wants make rookies of Josh Duncan, Ted Widner, Tommy Walsh etc they must pre-select them before this for the rookie draft).

Thanks for clearing that up ace.
My guess at delistings would be the obvious- Fisher and Connors. And surely it's time to say goodbye to Howard.

Not sure they are that obvious. Fisher under contract so they may keep him. Conners played one year of footy and is still only 19.