Our list has been weakened

[DownAtTheJunction]

OUT: Hudgton, X Clarke and Ball Maguire likely
These are heart and soul players - and so difficult to replace.
I have no problems with Lyon's game plan - it is delivering, but we have lost (or are losing) players who have bled for the club.
Our in box is light on. Although Lovett should be good - he will be 27 soon, and Peake is at the least a controversial pick and an older pick too.
If Xavier is OK then receiving pick 60 in return is a joke.
I shudder to think what we are going to get for Luke Ball?
This, I believe is our worst trading effort in many years

[S.A Saint]

OUT: Hudgton, X Clarke and Ball Maguire likely
These are heart and soul players - and so difficult to replace.
I have no problems with Lyon's game plan - it is delivering, but we have lost (or are losing) players who have bled for the club.
Our in box is light on. Although Lovett should be good - he will be 27 soon, and Peake is at the least a controversial pickand is also an older pick
If Xavier is OK then receiving pick 60 in return is a joke.
i shudder to think what we are going to get for Luke Ball?
This, I believe is our worst trading effort in many years

i see something massive brewing come friday 1.59....gut feeling obviously

[chook23]

over reaction

locked in 2004-5 era

[bigred]

over reaction

locked in 2004-5 era

yup

[Griggsy]

Well out of these hear and soul players Ball was the only one who played a majority of games, i think we did fine at 20-2. Lovetts age doesnt come into factor to me because we want a premiership now, we are not building for one.

Don't understand the X trade either, pick 60? Is that like saying we could develop a pick 60 in a weak draft into someone decent like X, doubtful, he is worth more.

[makemytime]

yes but you have also got to think of the blokes that came in this year as well as previous years under lyon's trading scheme.

In: Dawson, King, Gardiner, Schneider, Ray just a few to mention

[TassieJones]

lets be honest though

out of minor premiership best 22: Ball (probably)
in: Lovett

on last years form Lovett was a fair bit better than Ball. Net gain, bit closer to a flag

[PJ]

OUT: Hudgton, X Clarke and Ball Maguire likely
These are heart and soul players - and so difficult to replace.
I have no problems with Lyon's game plan - it is delivering, but we have lost (or are losing) players who have bled for the club.
Our in box is light on. Although Lovett should be good - he will be 27 soon, and Peake is at the least a controversial pick and an older pick too.
If Xavier is OK then receiving pick 60 in return is a joke.
I shudder to think what we are going to get for Luke Ball?
This, I believe is our worst trading effort in many years

Emotionally yes but in terms of players X hasn't done anything in ages and Bally has struggled, Max was moving on anyway - Mat well we'll wait and see.

[Maxstar22]

OUT: Hudgton, X Clarke and Ball Maguire likely
These are heart and soul players - and so difficult to replace.
I have no problems with Lyon's game plan - it is delivering, but we have lost (or are losing) players who have bled for the club.
Our in box is light on. Although Lovett should be good - he will be 27 soon, and Peake is at the least a controversial pickand is also an older pick
If Xavier is OK then receiving pick 60 in return is a joke.
i shudder to think what we are going to get for Luke Ball?
This, I believe is our worst trading effort in many years

i see something massive brewing come friday 1.59....gut feeling obviously

Are you serious?

Goose - hasn't played a full season for 3 years now. Didn't play at all this year and we didn pretty damn well without him.
X - as above.
Max - My favourite player (hence the nic on here). But again injury interupted past few seasons. Have apparently found a decent replacement for him (Dawson).
Ball - see Max comments. Interupted past few seasons and has never been the same since he played on when he had OP (or still has it - do you actaully ever recover from it?).

I would say that getting pick 60 for X will be used in some sort of trade deal tomorrow.

You have to look at the bigger picture here.

Anyways, just my humble opinion.

In Ross I Trust. Go Sainters.

[joffaboy]

OUT: Hudgton, X Clarke and Ball Maguire likely

How many of these were instrumental in our 20-2 H&A season this year?

Goose is still there. Not even whispers about him.

Premature sky is falling garbage.

[markp]

All is lost.

[Maxstar22]

OUT: Hudgton, X Clarke and Ball Maguire likely

How many of these were instrumental in our 20-2 H&A season this year?

Goose is still there. Not even whispers about him.

Premature sky is falling garbage.

Why does everyone always jump to conclusions and go nuts before actually sitting down and thinking it through.

[megs4#31]

heart and soul players - we've got lenny, bj, rooey... tell me they wont teach the new ones what it means to bleed for this club. and me thinks that having burkey and hopefully maxy around the club will help out as well. Look at the guys we got last year, they have played heart and soul for this club! bring on next year!

[milney044]

Look at it realisitcally here. If you weren't a Saints supporter how much would you give up for X? The guy hasn't played in over a year and has had injury after injury.
I think the club knows that they were never going to get anything decent for him, if anything at all. Seriously put him up for trade, and i really don't think anyone's going to bite. I think the club has looked at it like they would rather get pick 60 for him than nothing.

[PJ]

Sorry I mean seriously what was X going to do - I think some are clinging to fairy tales. Our list is decidedly stronger and improving all the time. X gave us some brilliant flashes and I wish him well but WTF.

[borderbarry]

We are gettting rid of X after a knee reconstruction ithout giving him a chance. Boy I am glad these decision makers were'nt around when Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes did their knees.
Unless of course our medical staff have given him little hope of furthering his career.

[chook23]

We are gettting rid of X after a knee reconstruction ithout giving him a chance. Boy I am glad these decision makers were'nt around when Robert amd Lenny Hayes did their knees.

but they wanted to stay!!

[S.A Saint]

Maxstar22 what picture am i missing out on here??...

[S.A Saint]

We are gettting rid of X after a knee reconstruction ithout giving him a chance. Boy I am glad these decision makers were'nt around when Robert amd Lenny Hayes did their knees.

but they wanted to stay!!

why do you have to be like that chook23 ....common sense is not welcome on this board just speculation dont forget ....

[HarveysDeciple]

We are gettting rid of X after a knee reconstruction ithout giving him a chance. Boy I am glad these decision makers were'nt around when Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes did their knees.
Unless of course our medical staff have given him little hope of furthering his career.

Saints did not get rid of X.......he requested a trade.

[claystreet]

We are gettting rid of X after a knee reconstruction ithout giving him a chance. Boy I am glad these decision makers were'nt around when Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes did their knees.
Unless of course our medical staff have given him little hope of furthering his career.

LOL X was approched by Brisbane so the saints let him go, you better blame his manager and Brisbane first instead of sticking the boots into the club.

[milney044]

Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes are both substantially better players than X Clarke, and hadn't broken down several times previously (hamstrings). X wanted a fresh start and i don't blame him, plus he's seen how hard it's been for Luke to break into the side, imagine what it's going to be like for him. Imagine doing all the work to recover from a knee reco and then not even be able to make the seniors.
It's better for X to go to the Lions, and basically start his career again. Good luck to him.

[DownAtTheJunction]

We still have heart and soul players, granted, and quite a number.
But to say we are always in good shape, no matter what we pick is plain ignorant.
Milne, Clarke, Kosi, Dempster, Schneider, Ray and Dawson (yes, dawson) had lower level games in the Gf.
Quality trading will help us maintain a standard.
Once again I state I have no problems with Lyon's game plan. But his does not mean I have to endorse all trades, just because he's involved

[Maxstar22]

Maxstar22 what picture am i missing out on here??...

How can you say that any player that has had a number of injury interupted seasons has strengthened our list? Why would you want to use your salary cap, resources etc on a player that is sitting on the sidelines and not for a new recruit that can bring us some brillance (just like X did once upon a time).

I'm sorry, I was under the impression we were here to win premierships. How can we do that when we keep onto players that are actually weakening the team? Keeping them is weakening the list, not the other way around.

Also, by the sounds of the farewell video, I got the impression he was approached by Brissy and wanted to go.

[S.A Saint]

Maxstar22 what picture am i missing out on here??...

How can you say that any player that has had a number of injury interupted seasons has strengthened our list? Why would you want to use your salary cap, resources etc on a player that is sitting on the sidelines and not for a new recruit that can bring us some brillance (just like X did once upon a time).

I'm sorry, I was under the impression we were here to win premierships. How can we do that when we keep onto players that are actually weakening the team? Keeping them is weakening the list, not the other way around.

Also, by the sounds of the farewell video, I got the impression he was approached by Brissy and wanted to go.

Mate you have lost the plot.....could you please highlight were i have said anything about x besides my first comment about having a gut feeling that there was going to be a massive trade 2moro....

i think you might have me mixed up with someone else.....