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After Lyon's speech at the post GF function, i dont think he will be too welcome back in the door at Moorabbin...
If he stayed, he would be right at the back of the pack and once again earn the respect of everyone at the club. Everyone else is committed to the cause, what makes him so special??
If he doesn't get to Collingwood, Ball would have to choose between the pre-season draft sending him to non contenders Melbourne, Richmond or Fremantle OR returning to St Kilda with his tail between his legs and an even more reduced contract.
I would love to be fly on the wall when after an hour of silently glaring at him Goddard speaks his first words to Ball.
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Judging by O'Brien's speech at the Collinwood B and F, Malthouse would be enjoy O'Brien's fellation too much to contemplate trading...
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
Ball can always nominate for the PSD and name a price.
The filth may get him that way. Depends on what Melbourne Richmond or Freo have in their SC
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Looks like we are after a tall defender from the pie accoridng to this story.
St kilda wish list is understood to include Nathan Brown and several of the Magpies' younger tall defenders rather any of the so-called A-grade talent at the Lexus Centre, a request that has a financial reality built into it. http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 09,00.html
Ball has told the Saints he is not interested in leaving for any club other than Collingwood, which has some at St Kilda holding out hope that if a deal can't be struck they will retain the former captain.
Ball has told the Saints he is not interested in leaving for any club other than Collingwood, which has some at St Kilda holding out hope that if a deal can't be struck they will retain the former captain.
Hope not. Ball has burnt his bridges AFAIAC.
He wants to walk from the club and his mates and then gives ultimatums???
Well f^^k that. You will go where we say or Piss off to the PSD you low character sook.
Getting sick of Ball and his tantrums.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Mr Magic wrote:When the deal doesn't get done (I have faith in Collingwood's inability not to succed at the trade table), what happens to Ball.
I assume we've shown him the door?
As an uncontracted player, is he allowed to train at other CLubs?
Can be drafted in the National Draft if we delist him or then in the PSD.
Ball is uncontracted (apparently a three year deal offered in June isn't good enough) so he can be picked up in either draft.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
I would be over the moon if we got Harry O in a straight swap for Ball... Would never happen, Harry O came 4th in their B&F, he's younger and just has far more value... TBH We probably would have to add in our second and third round picks for them to consider it.... after said consideration they would still say no.
Collingwood don't really have any young key backs I'm too interested in TBH... none of them are that great...
ROBERT HARVEY A.K.A The Great Man, Banger, Harves, Ol' Man River...
384 games, 4 B&F's, 3 EJ Whitten Medals, St.Kilda Captain, 2 Time Brownlow Medalist, 8 Time All Australian, 2nd Highest Brownlow votes poller.... The greatest of ALL TIME!!
I wonder if there is any way we could get injury prone Jesse Smith involved in the deal too?
Perhaps something like -
Saints Get - 2nd Rounder (Coll), Nathan Brown and Jesse Smith
Saints Lose - Luke Ball 3rd Rounder
North Get - 3rd Rounder (Coll)
North Lose - Jesse Smith
Pies Get - Luke Ball, 3rd Rounder (STK)
Pies Lose - Nathan Brown, 2nd Rounder, 3rd Rounder
ROBERT HARVEY A.K.A The Great Man, Banger, Harves, Ol' Man River...
384 games, 4 B&F's, 3 EJ Whitten Medals, St.Kilda Captain, 2 Time Brownlow Medalist, 8 Time All Australian, 2nd Highest Brownlow votes poller.... The greatest of ALL TIME!!
Either Collingwood are just playing hard ball, or they actually don't rate him that high.
I do get a feeling that if a trade doesn't get organized, Ball and Lyon wont be able to work together no more as they obviously don't see eye-to-eye and he just might take his chances in the PSD on principle.
If this doesn't go through I've no problem with Ball coming back on a lower wage. Put your head down, arse up, work hard, shut up and maybe you'll get a game.
As for letting him go through to the PSD surely we would like something rather than nothing? Let's not let spite get in the way of good business.
gooner wrote:If this doesn't go through I've no problem with Ball coming back on a lower wage. Put your head down, arse up, work hard, shut up and maybe you'll get a game.
As for letting him go through to the PSD surely we would like something rather than nothing? Let's not let spite get in the way of good business.
IMO trading Ball to Collingwood for a second or third rounder is actually worse for our premiership chances then letting him go to the psd...
ROBERT HARVEY A.K.A The Great Man, Banger, Harves, Ol' Man River...
384 games, 4 B&F's, 3 EJ Whitten Medals, St.Kilda Captain, 2 Time Brownlow Medalist, 8 Time All Australian, 2nd Highest Brownlow votes poller.... The greatest of ALL TIME!!
Do you reckon the 'list' is a bit of guesswork from FS? I just can't understand our supposed interest in NJB. I wanted to get him in 06, but the emergence of Zac Dawson makes me question whether we need another key defender. I wonder if they're looking at the Hudghton retirement and thinking we need another key defender to replace Max.
Ben Reid gets a lot more of the ball and plays more of a CHB role. If his kicking has improved, he'd be much more interesting, but still, not exactly what we need.
I also wonder if we're looking to on-trade for something that fits our needs a little better.
gooner wrote:If this doesn't go through I've no problem with Ball coming back on a lower wage. Put your head down, arse up, work hard, shut up and maybe you'll get a game.
As for letting him go through to the PSD surely we would like something rather than nothing? Let's not let spite get in the way of good business.
It's probably not as much about spite as it is about not giving a huge advantage to a close competitor in Collingwood.
Port did it when the Filth were a top 4 club & Port was too. Why give them a very good player like Nick Stevens when he may help the Filth go past Port?
While many people thought that Choco was just being pig headed, I thought he tactically didn't allow a close opposition to improve without improving his own list. Port lost Stevens but Collingwood didn't improve by getting him.
We're in the same situation with Bally. He will make beating Collingwood a harder task next year if he is black & white. St Kilda needs to offset that by taking something from Collingwood that will make it harder for them to beat us.
vacuous space wrote:Do you reckon the 'list' is a bit of guesswork from FS? I just can't understand our supposed interest in NJB. I wanted to get him in 06, but the emergence of Zac Dawson makes me question whether we need another key defender. I wonder if they're looking at the Hudghton retirement and thinking we need another key defender to replace Max.
Ben Reid gets a lot more of the ball and plays more of a CHB role. If his kicking has improved, he'd be much more interesting, but still, not exactly what we need.
I also wonder if we're looking to on-trade for something that fits our needs a little better.
Even with Dawson what do we do when Blake retires? Sam Fisher is older than most people realise and most our tall defenders are better flankers than key position players... I wouldn't mind having Nathan Brown but I wouldn't be impressed if it was a straight swap.
ROBERT HARVEY A.K.A The Great Man, Banger, Harves, Ol' Man River...
384 games, 4 B&F's, 3 EJ Whitten Medals, St.Kilda Captain, 2 Time Brownlow Medalist, 8 Time All Australian, 2nd Highest Brownlow votes poller.... The greatest of ALL TIME!!
gooner wrote:If this doesn't go through I've no problem with Ball coming back on a lower wage. Put your head down, arse up, work hard, shut up and maybe you'll get a game.
As for letting him go through to the PSD surely we would like something rather than nothing? Let's not let spite get in the way of good business.
IMO trading Ball to Collingwood for a second or third rounder is actually worse for our premiership chances then letting him go to the psd...
Yeh would rather Ball play for Melbourne than improve Collingwood's midfield.
