Luke Ball - The Age vs The Sun

[PJ]

There is no way IF we get rid of Ball we're getting a hack like Fraser in return...

Yeah but we haven't got a balding guy in the team and Geelong have plenty perhaps we can on trade him for one their bald guys and by-pass the receeding straight to clean head.

[Moods]

Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?

You're right, on second thoughts that average to (possibly) above average game makes him a superstar, and definitely makes up for all those other insipid efforts he has put in during his career. Let's trade Riewoldt (who always slaughters the pies - and most other teams) for Fraser b/c he played ok in the 02 GF.

[ace]

He was no 1 draft pick in 1999 but has only gathered 31 brownlow votes, kicked 151 goals from 191 games.
Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick.
His 2 x 3 votes this year came against Melbourne Rnd 2 and Essendon Rnd 14.

Gardiner and King both have 30 brownlow votes.
Gardiner was No1 pick in 1996 and King a compensatory No 3 early pick at the 1995 crop.
Both drafts were compromised by Port Adelaide and Fremantle zones.


I think McEvoy and Stanley should be our backup rucks until King and Gardiner are done.
They have both shown potential.
Stanley could be a great mobile ruckman and McEvoy could develop into more solid ruckman.

So we're now critiquing our potential recruits on the amount of brownlow votes they have received in their career?

I'm not suggesting we should go for Fraser either, but I can come up with better reasons than the amount of brownlow votes he has received.

Corey Enright must be a dud b/c he didn't receive any brownlow votes this year.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that despite having had reasonable careers and been under the umpires noses, all 3 ruckman have not lived up to their top 3 selection like Riewoldt, Judd, & Cooney have.
I simply offer brownlow votes as the only independent and undisputable fact available.
I would rather use the only fact than get into an opinion squabble that can not be settled.

[satchmo]

Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?

You're right, on second thoughts that average to (possibly) above average game makes him a superstar, and definitely makes up for all those other insipid efforts he has put in during his career. Let's trade Riewoldt (who always slaughters the pies - and most other teams) for Fraser b/c he played ok in the 02 GF.

Nah, little johnny is refering to this years Grand Final. Josh stood up when they played the National Anthem. One of his better performances at the MCG actually.

[Stillwaiting]

You're probably right (re Fraser as a ruckman).....

However, if the Ball rumour (to pies) is true, as well as Jolly to the pies from Sydney, then perhaps a 3-way with Port could be on the cards.....

Pies get: Ball

Saints get: Burgoyne

Port get: pick 16 (Saints), Fraser

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Except that reports have it that Burgoyne wants the Hawks or bust....

where do I sign.

If we have to loose Bally, then thats a bloddy good deal for us, but not likely

[lennstar]

Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

you are a complete idiot

Harsh!!

Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.

[saintnick12]

Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

you are a complete idiot

Harsh!!

Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.

Don't know how this quote of me now has me saying "You are a complete idiot". A look back at my original post will show that I didn't say that.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I am not into abusing people...

[Johnny Utah]

Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?

Kicked 3 goals in the 02 GF (3 / 8). Riewoldt got ripped apart by Geelong's 4th best defender.

[saintnick12]

Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?

Kicked 3 goals in the 02 GF (3 / 8). Riewoldt got ripped apart by Geelong's 4th best defender.

Ripped apart is ridiculous. While he wasn't a match winner, he still had an impact on the game, mostly drawing three defenders to himself. This allowed our smalls more space, which they unfortunately didn't capitalise on.
Josh may have had a great game in the 2002 GF (its so long ago, I don't remember, so will take your word for it). Fact is, it didn't change the result. They still lost, as did we.

[Mr Magic]

Really? When was that? Certainly wasn't 2003 b/c he embarassed himself in perfect footy conditions. PLayed OK in 02 GF. When was that again? 7 years ago did I hear you say?

Kicked 3 goals in the 02 GF (3 / 8). Riewoldt got ripped apart by Geelong's 4th best defender.

Go back to worshipping Didak - that's more your style.
Better still, go back to playing 'hide-the-soap' with Joffa in the shower.

I'm sure nobody here appreciates your football intellect as much as your brethren at Collingfilth would.

The facts are that if you put Joshy on the trade table you'd have to include another player to sweeten the deal up for anybody to offer even a late 6th round draft pick in return.

[matrix]

ripped apart?
on a wet day??

lmao

[Johnny Utah]

Ripped apart is ridiculous.

Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.

[saint75]

Ripped apart is ridiculous.

Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.

[saintnick12]

Ripped apart is ridiculous.

Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.

Love it...

Surely Johnny is not a saints supporter.

[joffaboy]

Dont want that softc@ck b!tchslap fraser anywhere near our club.

[Moccha]

Ripped apart is ridiculous.

Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.

School holidays hey!

[lennstar]

Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

you are a complete idiot

Harsh!!

Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.

Don't know how this quote of me now has me saying "You are a complete idiot". A look back at my original post will show that I didn't say that.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I am not into abusing people...

I'm sorry, that was me. I don't know how that happened.
Emotion got the better of me, I prefer not to get personal too....but it was my first reaction to a stupid statement.

[satchmo]

Ripped apart is ridiculous.

Taylor, his opponent, should have been awarded the Norm Smith. Chapman was the match winner but Taylor was by far the most dominant player in his position over the entire 4 quarters.

School holidays hey!

More likely lenient sentencing!

[saintnick12]

Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

you are a complete idiot

Harsh!!

Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.

Don't know how this quote of me now has me saying "You are a complete idiot". A look back at my original post will show that I didn't say that.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I am not into abusing people...

I'm sorry, that was me. I don't know how that happened.
Emotion got the better of me, I prefer not to get personal too....but it was my first reaction to a stupid statement.

I've got no problem with you saying it Lennstar. Its just the way you quoted it makes it look like I said it, thats all....lol...

[SainterK]

I really wish that we could hear news soon about Luke...good news!