Luke Ball - The Age vs The Sun

thirty-seven!? · Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:32am

Two conflicting articles in the two melbourne papers regarding Ball's future...

The Sun is more positive, stating that Ball wants to stay, but is being wooed by Essendon with the talk of more game time. But it mentions how strong his passion is for the saints...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5782695035

The Age says Ball will leave for the Pies... who then wouldnt be able to consolidate us...

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 08387.html

All i can say is, besides hoping he stays, we better not lose him for nothing in the PSD which is also talked about in the Age article...

Teflon · Post: # 840856Post **Teflon** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:36am

geez the AGE is very confident hes going...well if so.....get some value for him ...

saint75 · Post: # 840858Post **saint75** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:41am

I've got a feeling that it is going to be a long week!

Can't honestly see Ball going anywhere, but that headline won't sell newspapers

SainterK · Post: # 840859Post **SainterK** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:42am

"He performed well in the grand final, gaining more than 20 disposals in less than 50 per cent of ground time - a ratio that coach Ross Lyon acknowledged might have been insufficient on the day"

I thought Ross acknowledged that due to a misunderstanding, Luke didn't get out there enough and he probably would have played him for two more bursts of 6 minutes?

saint75 · Post: # 840861Post **saint75** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:43am

SainterK wrote:"He performed well in the grand final, gaining more than 20 disposals in less than 50 per cent of ground time - a ratio that coach Ross Lyon acknowledged might have been insufficient on the day"

I thought Ross acknowledged that due to a misunderstanding, Luke didn't get out there enough and he probably would have played him for two more bursts of 6 minutes?

Please don't try to add factual information to a fluff media piece SainterK. What were you thinking?

GeorgeYoung27 · Mon 05 Oct 2009 12:46am

vs. The Australian

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 22,00.html

The future of St Kilda's Luke Ball remains up in the air despite having a three-year contract offer on the table.

Ball has had offers from Essendon and Port Adelaide, with Collingwood today expected to show interest. Ball has refused to entertain Port as an alternative, and has indicated that the Bombers are not his favourite option.

Essendon, which has made Port's Shaun Burgoyne its top priority, is also keen to lure the out-of-contract Ball, while St Kilda would entertain a trade with the Bombers involving midfielder Andrew Lovett.

In another scenario, Ball's management may make an approach to Collingwood, which could be tempted to offer Fraser to the Saints in return. It is understood Ball is contemplating a future away from Moorabbin for less money but better opportunities after being dropped to the VFL for a month this season.

Moccha · Post: # 840876Post **Moccha** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 1:09am

Interesting that The Saints have offered Luke a 3 yr contract. I'm wondering if the contract states that he's to receive limited game time. It doesn't make sense does it? And why would St.Kilda be interested in a hack like Fraser. Some journo's are just love dreaming this shite up!

Richter · Post: # 840879Post **Richter** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 1:13am

Moccha wrote:Interesting that The Saints have offered Luke a 3 yr contract. I'm wondering if the contract states that he's to receive limited game time. It doesn't make sense does it? And why would St.Kilda be interested in a hack like Fraser. Some journo's are just love dreaming this shite up!

Wouldn't call Fraser a hack..... and we will be short a ruckman in a couple of years once Gardy/King give it away......

Gonna be an interesting week!

Teflon · Post: # 840880Post **Teflon** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 1:15am

Richter wrote:
Moccha wrote:Interesting that The Saints have offered Luke a 3 yr contract. I'm wondering if the contract states that he's to receive limited game time. It doesn't make sense does it? And why would St.Kilda be interested in a hack like Fraser. Some journo's are just love dreaming this shite up!
Wouldn't call Fraser a hack..... and we will be short a ruckman in a couple of years once Gardy/King give it away......

Gonna be an interesting week!

Fraser aint a rukcman....Collingwood showe us that...hes a tall goals sneak....no thanks.

Richter · Post: # 840884Post **Richter** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 1:20am

You're probably right (re Fraser as a ruckman).....

However, if the Ball rumour (to pies) is true, as well as Jolly to the pies from Sydney, then perhaps a 3-way with Port could be on the cards.....

Pies get: Ball

Saints get: Burgoyne

Port get: pick 16 (Saints), Fraser

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Except that reports have it that Burgoyne wants the Hawks or bust....

Teflon · Post: # 840885Post **Teflon** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 1:22am

Richter wrote:You're probably right (re Fraser as a ruckman).....

However, if the Ball rumour (to pies) is true, as well as Jolly to the pies from Sydney, then perhaps a 3-way with Port could be on the cards.....

Pies get: Ball

Saints get: Burgoyne

Port get: pick 16 (Saints), Fraser

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Except that reports have it that Burgoyne wants the Hawks or bust....

where do I sign.

ace · Post: # 840901Post **ace** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 2:18am

Richter wrote:You're probably right (re Fraser as a ruckman).....

However, if the Ball rumour (to pies) is true, as well as Jolly to the pies from Sydney, then perhaps a 3-way with Port could be on the cards.....

Pies get: Ball

Saints get: Burgoyne

Port get: pick 16 (Saints), Fraser

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Except that reports have it that Burgoyne wants the Hawks or bust....

Burgoyne is bust on the Hawks, they wont deal and after the Johnathan Hay and Ryan O'Keefe fiascos no-one trusts them.

I would hate to lose Luke, but if he decides to go, I would love this deal because the real front runner for Burgoyne is Essendon offering up Lovett.
It could be a better deal for Port Adelaide who are looking for a Lade replacement.

Where do I witness Teflon's signature.

Milan Faletic · Mon 05 Oct 2009 2:41am

Richter wrote:
Moccha wrote:Interesting that The Saints have offered Luke a 3 yr contract. I'm wondering if the contract states that he's to receive limited game time. It doesn't make sense does it? And why would St.Kilda be interested in a hack like Fraser. Some journo's are just love dreaming this shite up!
Wouldn't call Fraser a hack..... and we will be short a ruckman in a couple of years once Gardy/King give it away......

Gonna be an interesting week!

Are you serious? We have no problem with ruckmen. Fraser schmaser.

ace · Post: # 840904Post **ace** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 2:44am

Teflon wrote:
Richter wrote:
Moccha wrote:Interesting that The Saints have offered Luke a 3 yr contract. I'm wondering if the contract states that he's to receive limited game time. It doesn't make sense does it? And why would St.Kilda be interested in a hack like Fraser. Some journo's are just love dreaming this shite up!
Wouldn't call Fraser a hack..... and we will be short a ruckman in a couple of years once Gardy/King give it away......

Gonna be an interesting week!
Fraser aint a rukcman....Collingwood showe us that...hes a tall goals sneak....no thanks.

I don't fancy Josh Fraser at St Kilda.
He is 202 cm turns 28 in January.

He was no 1 draft pick in 1999 but has only gathered 31 brownlow votes, kicked 151 goals from 191 games.
Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick.
His 2 x 3 votes this year came against Melbourne Rnd 2 and Essendon Rnd 14.

Gardiner and King both have 30 brownlow votes.
Gardiner was No1 pick in 1996 and King a compensatory No 3 early pick at the 1995 crop.
Both drafts were compromised by Port Adelaide and Fremantle zones.

I think McEvoy and Stanley should be our backup rucks until King and Gardiner are done.
They have both shown potential.
Stanley could be a great mobile ruckman and McEvoy could develop into more solid ruckman.

ace · Post: # 840905Post **ace** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 3:11am

The Age is a sponsor of the St Kilda football club.
The Herald Sun and The Australian are News Ltd papers in opposition to The Age.

If St Kilda were giving out leaks they would leak to The Age.

If Ball were leaking he would probably leak to News Ltd.

Ball's management could leak in many directions even with conflicting leaks.

On the other hand if no-one were leaking it would be merely opposition clubs using the media to suggest possible outcomes to St Kilda without revealing their interest.

I hope I have clarified the situation.

ace · Post: # 840906Post **ace** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 3:32am

Ball wants more game time, as much money and to play in a premiership.

Realisitcally that leaves him with only
Geelong - he wouldn't get any game time
St Kilda - not enough game time
Bulldogs - ?
Collingwood - ?
Adelaide - ?
Hawthorn - ?

Essendon, Port Adelaide are not likely premiership contenders so he would stay at St Kilda if he could.

bergholt · Post: # 840920Post **bergholt** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 8:52am

ace wrote:I don't fancy Josh Fraser at St Kilda.
...

He was no 1 draft pick in 1999...

Gardiner was No1 pick in 1996 and King a compensatory No 3 early pick at the 1995 crop.

Are you seriously comparing which draft pick Fraser, King and Gardiner were? Haven't you seen enough of them by now to be able to compare them on football ability, rather than on some abitrary measure of how highly they were rated in the year they turned 18?

Moods · Post: # 840924Post **Moods** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:19am

ace wrote:

He was no 1 draft pick in 1999 but has only gathered 31 brownlow votes, kicked 151 goals from 191 games.
Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick.
His 2 x 3 votes this year came against Melbourne Rnd 2 and Essendon Rnd 14.

Gardiner and King both have 30 brownlow votes.
Gardiner was No1 pick in 1996 and King a compensatory No 3 early pick at the 1995 crop.
Both drafts were compromised by Port Adelaide and Fremantle zones.

I think McEvoy and Stanley should be our backup rucks until King and Gardiner are done.
They have both shown potential.
Stanley could be a great mobile ruckman and McEvoy could develop into more solid ruckman.

So we're now critiquing our potential recruits on the amount of brownlow votes they have received in their career?

I'm not suggesting we should go for Fraser either, but I can come up with better reasons than the amount of brownlow votes he has received.

Corey Enright must be a dud b/c he didn't receive any brownlow votes this year.

ThePunter · Post: # 840925Post **ThePunter** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:20am

Jolly has recently employed Paul Connors as his agent.

Connors also represents Ball and Maguire.

The information in The Oz article includes the only information regarding Maguire being offered a contract.

Denham's source is almost certainly Connors, who has no problem fighting his battles in public.

The article indicates Essendon and Port Adelaide as not being "preferred destinations". There is no indication of Ball's destination.

I think Connors has told Denham Ball wants to stay at St Kilda, but this isn't newsworthy, so Denham has left that out of his story.

Johnny Utah · Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:27am

ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..

& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

saintnick12 · Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:32am

Johnny Utah wrote:
ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

Harsh!!

Surely you are not comparing Riewoldt to Fraser. Not even in the same ballpark.

matrix · Post: # 840930Post **matrix** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:37am

theres an article in the scotish newspaper that prints four copies bi annually that says luke ball is going ice fishing.

he is unhappy at st kilda doesnt care about us and wants to further his modeling and ice fishing career in scotland and the orkny islands

he signed for 1.9 million for twelve mins fishing and 6 mins up and down a cat walk
gospel
heard it from last years ice fishing tournament winner who also models underwear in his spare time

mightysainters · Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:38am

Josh Fraser is one of the biggest and overrated hacks in the AFL.... A tall half forward flank

.

There is no way IF we get rid of Ball we're getting a hack like Fraser in return...

Moccha · Post: # 840938Post **Moccha** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 9:57am

Johnny Utah wrote:
ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

What year was that??

xander · Post: # 840940Post **xander** » Mon 05 Oct 2009 10:04am

Johnny Utah wrote:
ace wrote:Not exactly hot for a number 1 pick..
& unlike Riewoldt & the big dud Kosi, Josh has actually stood up in a GF.

Yeah but unlike Fraser, Roo is not a hack.