Fev Up for Trade - Nominates Saints

MCG-Unit · Post: # 838159Post **MCG-Unit** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:04pm

plugger66 wrote:Its quite simple. If we want Fev we must lose Kosi. There isnt any other choice so how do we think about that?

No, to Kosi for Fevola

Sainternist · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:05pm

I am a little 50-50 on whether we should get Fev or not. I place my trust on RL and co in whatever decision they will make in being good judgement.

Mr Magic wrote:
Thinline wrote: Besides we got f*** all out that other Carlton mercenary A Hamill.

Are you serious?
Sammy Hamill was a fantastic player for us whose career was tragically cut short by serious injury.
He was a beacon to our young list in terms of mental adn physical toughness.
And why was he a mercenary?
My understanding is he was offered more to play with Sydney than what we offered.
Carlton also offered to pay him what he wanted but because of Salary Cap problems could only show about 40% of his salary on the books. That coupled with John Elliot's public slagging of him made it impossible for him to remain there.

Agree with you 100%, Mr Magic.

Hamill was a fantastic pick up. In getting him (and G-Train) our membership drive for 2001 esculated. He was brilliant in a Saints jumper. He put the fear of god into opposition defenders with his presence alone. Even when he wasn't kicking goals, he was hitting opponents hard in contests which would often contribute to the team winning a game. But sadly, the injuries killed his career. A huge shame.

dals_da_bomb · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:07pm

forgot to mention Hamill was a fantastic saint.. the idea the someone disagrees amazes me... but each to thier own

Animal Enclosure · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:09pm

Sainternist wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
Thinline wrote: Besides we got f*** all out that other Carlton mercenary A Hamill.

Are you serious?
Sammy Hamill was a fantastic player for us whose career was tragically cut short by serious injury.
He was a beacon to our young list in terms of mental adn physical toughness.
And why was he a mercenary?
My understanding is he was offered more to play with Sydney than what we offered.
Carlton also offered to pay him what he wanted but because of Salary Cap problems could only show about 40% of his salary on the books. That coupled with John Elliot's public slagging of him made it impossible for him to remain there.
Agree with you 100%, Mr Magic.

Hamill was a fantastic pick up. In getting him (and G-Train) our membership drive for 2001 esculated. He was brilliant in a Saints jumper. He put the fear of god into opposition defenders with his presence alone. Even when he wasn't kicking goals, he was hitting opponents hard in contests which would often contribute to the team winning a game. But sadly, the injuries killed his career. A huge shame.

And if we had him on Saturday we would have won by 6 goals.

I hate it when people with short memories sprout BS.

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:14pm

saintbrat wrote:
BaysideSaint wrote:
dcstkfc wrote:happy birthday ox
if i can be serious why do ppl wish him a happy birthday all the time?
His birthday is on the 24 th July - 24/7

thank you for clearing that up for me SB

saintjake · Post: # 838224Post **saintjake** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:49pm

i would take Fev's 90 goals, compared to Kosi's 40 any year
i would take Fev from outside 50, in a pressure situation, then i would Kosi
i would take Fev to beat the oppositions key backman over Kosi
i would take Kosi over Fev to injury Roo

Fev, regardless of his off-field issue is head and shoulders better then Kosi will ever be.

#1GILL · Post: # 838227Post **#1GILL** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:51pm

Just imagine the hype he would bring to the club. Ben Cousins-esque.

saintbrat · Post: # 838228Post **saintbrat** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:52pm

saintjake wrote:
Fev, regardless of his off-field issue is head and shoulders better then Kosi will ever be.

FEV may have bigger shoulders BUT Kosi is by far and away ahead of him in most other aspects...

lefty · Post: # 838229Post **lefty** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:52pm

Hrm I wouldnt mind Fev, but its up to the coaches.

I dont think we could have 3 big forwards (although what a dilemma for other teams to have, lol) or we'd be too slow at ground level?

I wouldnt trade Kosi or Meguire for him.

Our list is pretty nice atm, doesn't need chopping, just tweaking, although I do think Kosi players better around the ground than at Full Forward, but you cant have 3 ruckman.

I think Meguire is required still, could take Raph's spot or if Zac goes down now that Max is retired.

And I have nfi why everyone wants to get rid of L.Ball. Its pretty simple to me that he needs to take a massive paycut because he's not the greatest and has issues being injured too much. Having said that there is a gun armo coming along also

saintsRrising · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:58pm

What if the Dogs offer Lake for Fev???? Lake wants more money...and the Blues can pay it.

An AA FB for Fev would ease the Blues masses somewhat...particularly if Everitt was thrown in.

Then they could still pick up Hall and have Fev at FF and Hall at CHF.

ace · Post: # 838235Post **ace** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:59pm

Sunday Red wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
St Michele wrote:
SainterK wrote:If he did come to the saints, and if dared spoke to Roo like he did Judd evil:
He wouldn't need to speak to Roo like that as he doesn;t behave like Judd did.
What the hell did Judd do wrong at the brownlow?
He did absolutely nothing to calm down a team mate who was obviously a liability. If Judd couldn't see the s*** storm that was about to erupt as a result of Fevola's antics, he's clearly not the leader everyone thinks that he is.

Judd was more interested in how much more money he could get if Fevola were to leave the club.

saintjake · Post: # 838237Post **saintjake** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:02pm

saintbrat wrote:
saintjake wrote:
Fev, regardless of his off-field issue is head and shoulders better then Kosi will ever be.
FEV may have bigger shoulders BUT Kosi is by far and away ahead of him in most other aspects...

in what ways is Kosi better then Fev ON THE FIELD.

saintmia · Post: # 838239Post **saintmia** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:04pm

Aaron Hamill was amazing with the Saints. I still miss him.

And exactly that, I said to my hubby on Sunday. We needed someone like Az there on Saturday afternoon, and we would have won.

Sainterman · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:04pm

saintsRrising wrote:What if the Dogs offer Lake for Fev???? Lake wants more money...and the Blues can pay it.

An AA FB for Fev would ease the Blues masses somewhat...particularly if Everitt was thrown in.

Then they could still pick up Hall and have Fev at FF and Hall at CHF.

Not sure the Bullies would be throwing in Everitt as well as Lake for Fev...and would the $700K+ not be an issue for them if they already can't pay Lake what he wants?

I think the Bullies would be looking for more than just Fev for Lake...he IS their backline. If he goes they will have real trouble controlling opposition fwd lines, whether they get a FF or not.

Sainterman · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:06pm

Anyone doubting the value of Hamill at the Saints clearly has no idea! Was an inspirational leader and a big part in teaching many on our list, including Roo, the importance of training and preparation for playing AFL.

Short memories...

saintjake · Post: # 838246Post **saintjake** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:10pm

FEVOLA IS MILES AHEAD OF KOSI THIS YEAR!
some of you said "how good Kosi was before he hurt his hand"
Fev is ahead of Kosi in every stat apart from handballs.

FEVOLA-
Kicks 251 Tackles 50
Handballs 46 Goals 89
Disposal 297 Behinds 57
Disposal Efficiency 58% Score Assists 21
Contested Possessions 131 Time on ground 97% (23 Matches)
Uncontested Possessions 161 Super coach 2152 pts (30th)

KOSI-
Kicks 185 Tackles 30
Handballs 65 Goals 48
Disposal 250 Behinds 30
Disposal Efficiency 67% Score Assists 13
Contested Possessions 112 Time on ground 87% (23 Matches)
Uncontested Possessions 135 Super coach 1690 pts (133rd)

More Kicks
more TACKLES!
more goals
more disposals
more behinds
more score assists
more contested possessions
more uncontested possessions

i would take FEV anyday

ausfatcat · Post: # 838249Post **ausfatcat** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:16pm

99% Carlton kicked it to Fev that doesn't happen to Kosi at the saints, so that distorts those "stats".

Winmarvellous · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:17pm

Just throwing it out there, but what if we could somehow pull off a 3 way trade with extras, bu the key personnel being Goose (CHB), Fevola (FF) and Roughead (FF). We get Roughie, Hawks get Fev, Carlton get Goose. That I'd go for in a heartbeat. I know I live in fantasy land, but what the hell. Let a man dream.

saintjake · Post: # 838254Post **saintjake** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:18pm

Winmarvellous wrote:Just throwing it out there, but what if we could somehow pull off a 3 way trade with extras, bu the key personnel being Goose (CHB), Fevola (FF) and Roughead (FF). We get Roughie, Hawks get Fev, Carlton get Goose. That I'd go for in a heartbeat. I know I live in fantasy land, but what the hell. Let a man dream.

carlton massive losers in that trade, no disrespect to goose

Sainterman · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:18pm

saintjake wrote:FEVOLA IS MILES AHEAD OF KOSI THIS YEAR!
some of you said "how good Kosi was before he hurt his hand"
Fev is ahead of Kosi in every stat apart from handballs.

FEVOLA-
Kicks 251 Tackles 50
Handballs 46 Goals 89
Disposal 297 Behinds 57
Disposal Efficiency 58% Score Assists 21
Contested Possessions 131 Time on ground 97% (23 Matches)
Uncontested Possessions 161 Super coach 2152 pts (30th)

KOSI-
Kicks 185 Tackles 30
Handballs 65 Goals 48
Disposal 250 Behinds 30
Disposal Efficiency 67% Score Assists 13
Contested Possessions 112 Time on ground 87% (23 Matches)
Uncontested Possessions 135 Super coach 1690 pts (133rd)

More Kicks
more TACKLES!
more goals
more disposals
more behinds
more score assists
more contested possessions
more uncontested possessions

i would take FEV anyday

I am all for Fev at the Saints for the right price, but that price is not Kosi IMO.

Whilst all the stats are fantastic, you can't make that simple a comparison.

Fev is basically the lone ranger in the Carlton forward line, he is their go to man, and is fed almost exclusively.

Can you provide a stat on the number of times inside 50's were directed at Fev as opposed to the number of times they were directed at Kosi. I would imagine Judd, Murphy and Gibbs were looking for him at every opportunity. Kosi shares the forward line with Roo and doesnt get the same supply. I just don't think the stats are an apples for apples comparison.

saintjake · Post: # 838258Post **saintjake** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:19pm

explain the more tackles, and possessions, both contested and non.

#1GILL · Post: # 838259Post **#1GILL** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:20pm

Hopefully we are the only ones who are interested and we take him in the PSD

saintjake · Post: # 838261Post **saintjake** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:20pm

#1GILL wrote:Hopefully we are the only ones who are interested and we take him in the PSD

Thinline · Post: # 838263Post **Thinline** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:24pm

Hey, so in my fit of anti-Fev rage I might have understated the relevance of Sammy Hamill somewhat.

See how disruptive Fev is???

Sainterman · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:25pm

Thinline wrote:Hey, so in my fit of anti-Fev rage I might have understated the relevance of Sammy Hamill somewhat.

See how disruptive Fev is???

That's the way Thinline...glad to see u coming round!