Just one more question on GF seats vs standing

[Eastern]

RATHER THAN SPECULATION & GUESSING, WE SHOULD FORMULATE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO ASK THE CLUB

If you wish, I'll put it all in an e-mail to the club and we'll see what comes back.

Please post your questions below (in a civil manner, of course) !!

[Mr Magic]

1. When was the CLub made aware that 15% of teh 11500 tickets were Standing Room?

[ausfatcat]

1. When was the CLub made aware that 15% of teh 11500 tickets were Standing Room?

it was the day of the registering I believe, the AFL doesn't tell them untill then, but they would've know 10+% were going to be standing anyway.

[west57]

- Were all September Saints allocated standing room/restricted view?

- Were all tickets allocated to St Kilda FC grouped together so that all St Kilda supporters would be sitting together?

My reasons for these questions: I'm a Social Club member who got a restricted view seat which was in the very back row in a bay FULL of Geelong supporters, bar a handful of Saints. It felt like I got the last seat possible when in fact I had registered 9am on the day allocated for registration as instructed.

On the one hand, i'm glad that I had the opportunity to attend the GF at all, but I do feel let down by the Club to some extent.

[ausfatcat]

- Were all September Saints allocated standing room/restricted view?

- Were all tickets allocated to St Kilda FC grouped together so that all St Kilda supporters would be sitting together?

I can answeres thou, Apparantly some sept saints were allocated seating (very few)

The grouping things is totally out of the clubs hands. Nothing they could do about it at all.

[matrix]

*when was the club told the final figure (not percent) of members who registered for SC GF tickets on that registration wed?

*what was the number given to the club for GF ticket allocation for members by the afl and when was it? (eg were they told 11500, 12,000?), when were they told by the afl?

*can a loyalty system be put in place for members who have 11/16 game SC memberships and have been members for a very long time for finals times?...including the GF? and if no, why not?

[daldal]

I don't know whether anyone noticed but around M23-25 there were a hell of a lot of Geelong supporters in standing and not many of us!

[west57]

I think a loyalty program when allocating GF tickets is a good idea rather than random allocation. Not sure how workable it'd be though.

[ausfatcat]

loyalty program opens too many doors. And I doubt the AFL will back it anyway with GF ticket allocation.


Whoes more loyal? how much do they cheer? how much do they care? how much merchandise do they purchase? how long have they barracked for the saints, how long have they been a member? How many functions do they attend?

[saintsRrising]

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It felt like I got the last seat possible when in fact I had registered 9am on the day allocated for registration as instructed.

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The Club always stated that when you registered was irrelevant and that tickets would be randomly assisgned.

From what I have observed from reading posts and talking to SC Members this is what occurred.

I think removing time of registration from the process of assigning tickets is sensible.

[saintsRrising]

loyalty program opens too many doors. And I doubt the AFL will back it anyway with GF ticket allocation.


Whoes more loyal? how much do they cheer? how much do they care? how much merchandise do they purchase? how long have they barracked for the saints, how long have they been a member? How many functions do they attend?

Why?

The MCC has Full..and restricted Members?

The AFL and Full....and Silver Members.

GF rights are different for each.

Why cannot the SC have two levels...and just like the MCC and AFL loyalty over time be rewarded.??

This would also generate more $$$ for the Club as more SC Members are likely to retain their membership in lean years.

[ausfatcat]

Notice they all have two levels, not the three you are proposing.

currently,

1 Social club
2 Sept saints,

your idea

1. Foundation
2. Social club
3. Sept saints

that makes three. It may not be possible with the AFL.


If if you only had

1. Foundation
2. social club

There would be empty supporter seats.

[barks4eva]

RATHER THAN SPECULATION & GUESSING, WE SHOULD FORMULATE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO ASK THE CLUB

If you wish, I'll put it all in an e-mail to the club and we'll see what comes back.

Please post your questions below (in a civil manner, of course) !!

The Butterss administration had capped the Foundation Social Club at $8,500, which would guarantee all of these members a seat given that we receive more than 8,500 seats!

I know of Social Club members who have been loyal members for over 15 years, who join up regardless of ladder position and were dealt standing room tickets and I also know of at least one Social Club member who only joined in June for the first time ever and for one reason only, to get a Grand Final ticket and he received a seat on Level 2!

Is this how the new board is rewarding LOYALTY?

Why did the current board choose to no longer respect LOYALTY by not continuing with the FOUNDATION status initiated by the Butterss administration, keeping the figure capped at 8,500?

It would have been IMHO easy to have a second tier Social Club category for Social Club members who joined after the 8,500 FOUNDATION members.

The boards actions make the Foundation status absolutely meaningless and show contempt for the many years of loyalty that some Social Club members have shown!

[ausfatcat]

Ok let me put this up to everyone

Social club stayed at the 8,500 cap


what if the saints were allocated 11,500 tickets with 3,500 standing (unlikely but possible if the AFL sold a lot of centre square tickets) eaving the social club with 500 standing (approx that stood this year) what then?


The club has to grow their revenue opening up anther social club places and guareenteeing them a ticket brings in approx 400 grand to the club. In years gone past just having a full membership guareenteed you a ticket now it doesn't. Stop being so precious, you were guareenteed a ticket not a seat as proven on this forum last week but still had a chance to get a seat, and you got a ticket, but thats not good enough you want to jeopodise the clubs financial position to guareentee your self a seat if the saints make the grandfinal and if you decide to attend.

Again most of this is out of the clubs hands with giving priority to foundation club members but I agree they should have first go at seats, but that doesn't mean it is possible.


I still think the club should have offered foundation members to buy the ticket packages for 400 or 500 if they missed out in seat, that would have been possible IMO and easy for the club to do and I imagine many would have taken it up.

[matrix]

im guessing the last 500 in the 8500 would stand then??

itll never work, the afl has the clubs by the bollocks
its wrong yes, but when stadiums only hold so much and the afl wants friggin suits in there who pay big bucks theres nothing that we can do.
maybe reward these long term members some other way
a special function at a very cheap price?
i dunno
length of someones loyalty as a SCer/foundation/diamond member etc needs to be rewarded somehow imo

[Solar]

guys does regsitering as a group have effected the ballot? Could some of us social club members who regsitered as a group have got standing room while september saints got seats? :O

If september saints got seats while we didn't I will be pissed TBH

[Solar]

im guessing the last 500 in the 8500 would stand then??

itll never work, the afl has the clubs by the bollocks
its wrong yes, but when stadiums only hold so much and the afl wants friggin suits in there who pay big bucks theres nothing that we can do.
maybe reward these long term members some other way
a special function at a very cheap price?
i dunno
length of someones loyalty as a SCer/foundation/diamond member etc needs to be rewarded somehow imo

tigers have a cocktail party for their longer standing members (maybe this could be the way for the social club foundation members??)

I find it strange that they can seperate the social club members and september saints but not the foundation social club and newer social club members.

Easy solution, from next year the foundation members (they have it on their books) are capped, these are the gold social club members. They get seats. Then ballot the rest..... works for me! Get more seats then have the september saints. Hell ticketec and tickmaster should do something for the money we pay them! hell I would pay an extra $5 for this process!

[saintsRrising]

you want to jeopodise the clubs financial position .

My model would make more money over the long-term and exactly the same money in the short term.

Top or bottom I will remain SC member as I have been for 30 years.

But I can assure you that a lot of those that flooded in will quickly disappear if they no longer see a GF appearance likely in the short-term.

An incentive rewarding loyalty would IMO see more maintain their SC Memberships.

[saint66au]

Didnt, at the start of the year, the CLub ask each member how many consecutive years had been a member? That they had no records past the last few years?

When Dave Mission arrived at the Club wasnt he appalled to discover a total lack of medical/rehab records for each player?

Sounds to me like the Butterss/Thomas administration might not have been very good at keeping records....maybe the current admin were flying in the dark as to whos foundation and who isnt...maybe Ticketek's computer system couldnt handle 2 levels of SC membership? It certainly looked looked like it didnt cope with the September Saints concept very well!!

[Moods]

loyalty program opens too many doors. And I doubt the AFL will back it anyway with GF ticket allocation.


Whoes more loyal? how much do they cheer? how much do they care? how much merchandise do they purchase? how long have they barracked for the saints, how long have they been a member? How many functions do they attend?

Why?

The MCC has Full..and restricted Members?

The AFL and Full....and Silver Members.

GF rights are different for each.

Why cannot the SC have two levels...and just like the MCC and AFL loyalty over time be rewarded.??

This would also generate more $$$ for the Club as more SC Members are likely to retain their membership in lean years.

Pretty sure at the pies, whilst they don't have loyalty memberships they do have different tiers of S/C membership. You pay top dollar (roughly $800 you are guaranteed a seat) It goes down from there where members have the right to be in a ballot.

Different tiers of membership is a good idea I reckon. Obviously the more you're prepared to shell out at the start of the year, hopefully the more chance you have of getting a good seat.

[ausfatcat]

Doubt thats true moods if their "club 5" membership which is $900 a year says

"The Club 5 membership is Collingwood Football Club’s premium membership and features guaranteed access to purchase a Grand Final ticket if Collingwood is a participating Club. "

Also their "legends membership" is guareenteed a ticket at $750


and then their captains membership and social club membership goes to a ballot at $500 and $400 and both have a equal chance, no other memberships get a chance for a ticket.


Notice only two tiers again, Collingwood thou has the numbers of fans that would easily fill both those brackets so all tickets would be used. We don't but some want a two tier social club anyway despite that meaning in reality that there would be empty supporters seats/tickets.

[Bernard Shakey]

Notice they all have two levels, not the three you are proposing.

currently,

1 Social club
2 Sept saints,

your idea

1. Foundation
2. Social club
3. Sept saints

that makes three. It may not be possible with the AFL.


If if you only had

1. Foundation
2. social club

There would be empty supporter seats.

Grow up little boy. Empty supporter seats? What are you talking about?

One level, two levels, ten levels, what did you use to make your post?
It's called a computer, and I've been to plenty of concerts that have more than two levels of seating and pricing.
Get real and stop making excuses for the club's incompetence.

[ausfatcat]

Bernard one thing is consistant across all clubs, they only have priority 1 and priority 2 allocations to Grandfinal tickets through the participating club membership allocation. THIS IS SET BY THE AFL NOT THE SAINTS.


Only two tiers we are limited to that not three tiers or four tiers we can only have 2, now if we had two tiers this year of foundation and normal social club (as some wanted), we would have had 800 tickets NOT SOLD TO SDAINTS MEMBERS but put up to general public or given to Cats members.

Again I agree they should look after the foundation social cluub first and foremost (but they also contribute in terms of the bottomline as the bloke who signed up in July). But my point is the saints hands were tied by this to the two tier system SET BY THE AFL.

Yes the club could've done and should've done more but a number of factors played in this out of the cubs hands.

Maybe a Legends membership (read more expensive $500 or $600 like most other clubs) should be started up? and offered to foundation members first and capped at say 5000 (and then they would be almost guarentee a seat (but it is out of the clubs power to 100% guarentee anyone a seat only a ticket) . Then a social club of say at $50 more a year instead of $120 not capped and their or two tiers would be.


And don't tell me to grow up before actually read my previous posts before that.

I understand the foundation club fustrations, but you guys have to understand the clubs position as well rather than just your own. Again yes they should've done more.

[Bernard Shakey]

You're guessing ausfatcat.

You keep saying "may not be possible with the AFL" and other such statements, which leads me to believe you're making it up as you go.

Why don't you just say you don't have a clue and stop trying to bump up the price of a grand final ticket.

Not many can afford club membership, social club membership and $500 for a grand final ticket. You must be young and single, because families can't afford your ideal.

[ausfatcat]

Yes I know I am guessing I have already said that, but it does seem to be the case.

This may well be the case and may well be out of the clubs hands all 4 of prelim teams and 5 other teams I looked at only had a 2 tier system with their membership and grandfinal tickets allocations. Is it a unreasonable jump in conclusion to consider it is limited to this by the organisation that controls the cost and distribution of grandfinal tickets (the AFL)?

As for the cost well I know I wont be able to afford it, but you may need something to seperate the tiers and people who go on this other club (like the other clubs) will get a greater chance for a granny seat. Not ideal but just an idea to try and sort this problem out, and yes I think it is a problem that does need to be sorted out.

Ideal if the club could do a three tier system they should I just don't think they can.