trades?

[SuperSaint]

Bring in Fev....Carlton will want to get rid of him. He loves the Saints. And a strong leadership group such as ours can bring him into line. Example-Gardiner.

First rounder-He is not worth anymore after his recent antics

Just as a thought do you reckon that the Saints would offer Kosi as a straight swap?

We know Fev's dad and Brendan is a big kid at heart who has been a huge Saints Fan all his life. His favourite ever players were Harvs and Lockett. I believe and always will, that he would be a much better and consistent player at the Saints. I would have loved to see him at our club, it would have been the perfect "medicine or cure" for him. However, footy unfortunately does not work that way.

Kosi is younger, more versitile, and more stable would never do it.

I'm not saying they would either, hence my last comment on 'footy does not work that way'. A few years back, under Pagan, he actually tried to move on to us and that was the time it would have been good but doing the deal was the stumbling block and it stopped there.

[ace]

Tom Lynch is seen as a hard-running Ryan O'Keefe-type.

I believe in developing our own.

We continue to develop youth and the future is always bright.

Ryan O'Keefe is a hard running type forward.
Tom Lynch is not, he is a potential hard running type forward only.

[ace]

Our delistings are likely to be:

Hudghton
L.Fisher
Connors
The Irishman

You forgot Allen who sadly has already announced his retirement.
Hudghton will retire.
(Hayes and Baker will become veterans outside the 38 player senior list)
Leigh Fisher is only there for depth and so deep that if he is required we are not going to be finals contenders - may as well be cut.
Connors has shown nothing in two years, one of which he was injured - his best outcome would be to be cut and then rookied like Howard was.
Begley is very tenuous but he could easily be cut and he is now too old to be rookied.

That's 5 delistings
Assuming Dawson and Miles are permanently promoted to the 38 player senior list that leaves 4 vacancies.

Howard should be dropped from the rookie list - he failed his last chance miserably.
Haretuku should be dropped he is going nowhere.
That clears Blake Mc Grath, Josh Duncan and Ted Widner to occupy the 3 former NSW scholarship rookie places.

[st.byron]

Unbelievable that people are taking pots at guys less than 24 hours after the game. Everyone's still hurting and we have posters suggesting that we should get rid of two guys who kicked 94 goals between them this year. Pffft!

[ace]

Unbelievable that people are taking pots at guys less than 24 hours after the game. Everyone's still hurting and we have posters suggesting that we should get rid of two guys who kicked 94 goals between them this year. Pffft!

They are both required players.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Trade Kosi and Milne, well you've just traded away 90+ goals from the side, pretty hard to replace.
We do need a third medium sized forward though, like a Steve Johnson who will make it harder for teams to double up on Roo and Kosi.

We have him already, his name is Brendan Goddard and he could be at least as good up forward as S Johnson. I'd have had him in Aaron Hamill's spot as soon as Hamill started missing games and he'd be like our James Hird by now, but for some inexplicable reason they refuse to play him up there much. Get someone who can run the lines and dispose of the ball well (offer Aaron Davey whatever he wants and Melb whatever it takes) and stick BJ permanently up forward. Problem solved.

[Bardon Saint]

Trade Kosi and Milne, well you've just traded away 90+ goals from the side, pretty hard to replace.
We do need a third medium sized forward though, like a Steve Johnson who will make it harder for teams to double up on Roo and Kosi.

We have him already, his name is Brendan Goddard and he could be at least as good up forward as S Johnson. I'd have had him in Aaron Hamill's spot as soon as Hamill started missing games and he'd be like our James Hird by now, but for some inexplicable reason they refuse to play him up there much. Get someone who can run the lines and dispose of the ball well (offer Aaron Davey whatever he wants and Melb whatever it takes) and stick BJ permanently up forward. Problem solved.

BJ would be great up forward as shown once or twice this year. BJ is also great off HB or in the middle. Would love a few of him.

[SuperSaint]

Trade Kosi and Milne, well you've just traded away 90+ goals from the side, pretty hard to replace.
We do need a third medium sized forward though, like a Steve Johnson who will make it harder for teams to double up on Roo and Kosi.

We have him already, his name is Brendan Goddard and he could be at least as good up forward as S Johnson. I'd have had him in Aaron Hamill's spot as soon as Hamill started missing games and he'd be like our James Hird by now, but for some inexplicable reason they refuse to play him up there much. Get someone who can run the lines and dispose of the ball well (offer Aaron Davey whatever he wants and Melb whatever it takes) and stick BJ permanently up forward. Problem solved.

BG is certainly worth a punt. Not a bad suggestion. Hopefully, Stevens or Armitage can step up and fill a midfield psition to allow him to pay more as a forward. BG has "Buckley-like" ball skills and would prove to be deadly in front of goals. We arer desperate for a class finisher like Chapman is to Geelong.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Exactly. This is not rocket-science. We kicked 30 goals in 3 finals. That's pathetic.

[Milton66]

First, you need to find some one to replace BJ in his current role. BJ is a playmaker.

No point having one of your better players up fwd is the ball doesn't get there.

Maybe X Clarke?

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

That's why I said get someone like Aaron Davey. Do whatever the hell it takes. Or get Matthew Lloyd and leave Bj where he is.

[thirty-seven!?]

Our delistings are likely to be:

Hudghton
L.Fisher
Connors
The Irishman

You forgot Allen who sadly has already announced his retirement.
Hudghton will retire.
(Hayes and Baker will become veterans outside the 38 player senior list)
Leigh Fisher is only there for depth and so deep that if he is required we are not going to be finals contenders - may as well be cut.
Connors has shown nothing in two years, one of which he was injured - his best outcome would be to be cut and then rookied like Howard was.
Begley is very tenuous but he could easily be cut and he is now too old to be rookied.

That's 5 delistings
Assuming Dawson and Miles are permanently promoted to the 38 player senior list that leaves 4 vacancies.

Howard should be dropped from the rookie list - he failed his last chance miserably.
Haretuku should be dropped he is going nowhere.
That clears Blake Mc Grath, Josh Duncan and Ted Widner to occupy the 3 former NSW scholarship rookie places.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes...

All looks very accurate! Cant see many of those players listed avoiding the chop. Ross showed last year that he has no time for fringe players who havent got significant upside to our developing kids (see Gardiner, Birss, Fiora etc)

Our NSW schol. players all look good and safe to stay rookied. And no point upgrading any players unnecessarily. Dawson and Miles must be upgraded, but all the others might as well spend another year developing on the cheap whilst we win a flag.

There is NO chance Kosi will go, and Milne im sure will stay.

I think now i feel open to testing the trade waters for players like Goose, the Clarkes (which saddens me to say...) and possibly even Gwilt who may have some currency. But no fishing players if we cant get a good deal, nor if they are desperate to stay. We need experienced players this year - not draftees. If i had my way, we would trade ALL our picks if it meant a premiership next year...

I want to see Armo, Steven, Geary and Lynch prove themselves as best 25 next year and push for 22.

Trade targets should be Andrejs Everitt who is a very good, versatile tall. I believe he is out of favor at the Dogs for similar reasons to Armo at the start of this year (second and third year blues - 'it all just happens without me doing anything'. But the talent is there. He could play as that third forward and with his athleticism could fit in well with the 'forward pressure' game plan.

I shakily put forward Nathan G Brown's name - if his off-season surgery is a success, he could be worth punting on. Yes, he would only have 2 years (at best) left in him, but he is what we need, and at worst, would take up a spot on the list which would otherwise be pick 60-odd.

Andrew Lovett i also like - his speed is something we crave, and he could easily be played on the HFF, speedily bringing the ball into the forward line. May cost us a bit though - first pick or player the ilk of Armo...

But if we are going all out to target class (ie. no-one on other list is sacred philosophy), we should target players like Didak, S Johnson, R O'Keefe or M LeCras - but let's be honest - they are all going to be very very hard to get...

[Milton66]

That's why I said get someone like Aaron Davey. Do whatever the hell it takes. Or get Matthew Lloyd and leave Bj where he is.

Lloyd is a spud. And past it. Won't fit in with our game plan.

[thirty-seven!?]

That's why I said get someone like Aaron Davey. Do whatever the hell it takes. Or get Matthew Lloyd and leave Bj where he is.

Lloyd is a spud. And past it. Won't fit in with our game plan.

Plus, it was his choice in the end to retire - you wont see him in another team's jersey next year.

Davey on the other hand... there are talks he wants out. From what i have heard, many players were very disgruntled at Dean Bailey after his treatment of Chris Johnson last year when he decided to be traded to the Blues. Now with Brock Mclean leaving and talk that Davey wants out, Melbourne should start worrying...

Regardless of whether he wants out or not, we are in a position to go all out and offer him a spot on a team to finish top of the ladder. Plus, with Maxy's retirement and Hayes and Baker's move to the veteran list in 2010, we should have a bit of salary cap to throw at him...

[plugger66]

That's why I said get someone like Aaron Davey. Do whatever the hell it takes. Or get Matthew Lloyd and leave Bj where he is.

Lloyd is a spud. And past it. Won't fit in with our game plan.

Plus, it was his choice in the end to retire - you wont see him in another team's jersey next year.

Davey on the other hand... there are talks he wants out. From what i have heard, many players were very disgruntled at Dean Bailey after his treatment of Chris Johnson last year when he decided to be traded to the Blues. Now with Brock Mclean leaving and talk that Davey wants out, Melbourne should start worrying...

Regardless of whether he wants out or not, we are in a position to go all out and offer him a spot on a team to finish top of the ladder. Plus, with Maxy's retirement and Hayes and Baker's move to the veteran list in 2010, we should have a bit of salary cap to throw at him...

We are not going to have any room on the salary cap for a player like Davey and who has said he wants out anyway.Lets go after Chapman or Ablett while we are at it.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Where there's a will, there's a way. Even if it means trading someone like Schneider, who's apparently on a very inflated contract. It could mean the difference between winning a flag or not.

[thirty-seven!?]

That's why I said get someone like Aaron Davey. Do whatever the hell it takes. Or get Matthew Lloyd and leave Bj where he is.

Lloyd is a spud. And past it. Won't fit in with our game plan.

Plus, it was his choice in the end to retire - you wont see him in another team's jersey next year.

Davey on the other hand... there are talks he wants out. From what i have heard, many players were very disgruntled at Dean Bailey after his treatment of Chris Johnson last year when he decided to be traded to the Blues. Now with Brock Mclean leaving and talk that Davey wants out, Melbourne should start worrying...

Regardless of whether he wants out or not, we are in a position to go all out and offer him a spot on a team to finish top of the ladder. Plus, with Maxy's retirement and Hayes and Baker's move to the veteran list in 2010, we should have a bit of salary cap to throw at him...

We are not going to have any room on the salary cap for a player like Davey and who has said he wants out anyway.Lets go after Chapman or Ablett while we are at it.

Was in the herald sun on Friday. Still all speculation, but why not push? We may actually have some room in the cap, which as i said, with Hayes and Baker on the veteran list it means their salaries are counted outside the cap! Surely too, Ball will get a lessened contract than what he is on...

Btw, i'm not talking $1million per year (obviously)... but playing for a team at the top of the ladder must at least count for something too... we'd still be able to pay him something sizeable... its all just guess-work mate

[plugger66]

That's why I said get someone like Aaron Davey. Do whatever the hell it takes. Or get Matthew Lloyd and leave Bj where he is.

Lloyd is a spud. And past it. Won't fit in with our game plan.

Plus, it was his choice in the end to retire - you wont see him in another team's jersey next year.

Davey on the other hand... there are talks he wants out. From what i have heard, many players were very disgruntled at Dean Bailey after his treatment of Chris Johnson last year when he decided to be traded to the Blues. Now with Brock Mclean leaving and talk that Davey wants out, Melbourne should start worrying...

Regardless of whether he wants out or not, we are in a position to go all out and offer him a spot on a team to finish top of the ladder. Plus, with Maxy's retirement and Hayes and Baker's move to the veteran list in 2010, we should have a bit of salary cap to throw at him...

We are not going to have any room on the salary cap for a player like Davey and who has said he wants out anyway.Lets go after Chapman or Ablett while we are at it.

Was in the herald sun on Friday. Still all speculation, but why not push? We may actually have some room in the cap, which as i said, with Hayes and Baker on the veteran list it means their salaries are counted outside the cap! Surely too, Ball will get a lessened contract than what he is on...

We won 20 games in the year so there will be big pay rises next season for certain players. The fact that Ball will get less and hayes and bakes are on the veterans list allows us to keep the same list but i would doubt there would be a cent left over for other players.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Not for Plugger66, he knows everything.

[plugger66]

Not for Plugger66, he knows everything.

No just more than some.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

If you say so.

[plugger66]

If you say so.

Yes I do.

[Alfie Hewsdale]

FFS

If Hawkins goal was called a point and Schneider, Dempster, Milne or Mini kicked one of the gettable shots they missed would we still be looking to trade half the team?

We were an inch away from the flag, load up and go again next year.

[xander]

wouldn't we have to pay out Begley to delist him since the contract when you take someone in the main draft is a 2 year contract

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

If you say so.

Yes I do.

Who cares?