Another GT "Gem"... I agree 100%!

[Mr Magic]

It depends on who we're believing this week. Walls took credit when it was going better - he stated somewhere that he threw RL's name into the mix. Sheldon when we were flying (see below) and had won nine in a row. Now Ross Smith had RL in his sights from day one - five days before we play in a grand final.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/n ... 5718309048

Rod Butterss, president at the time, and Sheldon met for a beer recently, chuckling that it hadn't been a bad idea to throw the Sydney midfield coach into the mix.

If Sheldon hadn't piped up, it might never have happened.

Sheldon, who left the Saints as the board changed over at the end of 2007, did not want to spruik this week.

But it is fact that he was first to prod the others and point them left-field in Lyon's direction.

It is understood several board members had eyes only for the usual suspects on the coaching carousel.

"I was just part of the process. My contribution's minimal,'' Sheldon said.

glad to see you've joined the thread. You've been pretty scarce this year?

As for the seemingly varying accounts, I prefer to believe the Chairman Ross Smith, a true Saints legend and clubman.

I also note that the article you are quoting talks of 'the board' and not the Coaching Selection Committee. It may well be that both accounts are actually true?
The Board had their own thoughts on who should be on the short list whereas the Committee (of which Butters was not a member) actually produced the short list.
IIRC Sheldon was not a member of 'the Board'.

You can use the search function if you're that interested in my posting.

I'm interested in most people's pov. It just seems that you haven't posted much this season? I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

All I'm saying is that there are different versions of how it happened and it's up to people to pick the one they like. But just because they like that version won't make it the correct one until the other versions are disproved.

Isn't that exactly what you've done yourself?

No need to have a sook.

What sook?
All I did was report what Ross Smith stated.
Just because you don't happen to like his version of what took place is no reason to have a go at me over it. Are you that insecure about your position these days that you have to go on 'the attack' when someone posts something that doesn't fit in with your view of things?

I'll give you one tip though.
I'd back his version of events over yours or mine. He at least was there.
You and I are just speculating on what actually happened.

[SENsei]

Saints43 overaction sensational.

.WHACK

[Mr Magic]

Saints43 overaction sensational.

.WHACK

Is that you Mark Doran?

Are you posting from the studio in Fed Square whilst you do your broadcast?

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

[Saints43]

I'll give you one tip though.
I'd back his version of events over yours or mine. He at least was there.
You and I are just speculating on what actually happened.

First of all I didn't expess an opinion as to whose version was correct. Just mentioned that this is at least the third version of how RL came to the selection process.

You weren't there. I wasn't there. Ross Smith was there.

But then so were Robert Walls and Ken Sheldon. They tell the story differently.

[Mr Magic]

Touched a raw nerve have I?

You seem a bit tetchy over this?
Aren't we all glad that RL was apppointed our Coach?

[plugger66]

Saints43 overaction sensational.

.WHACK

Is that you Mark Doran?

Are you posting from the studio in Fed Square whilst you do your broadcast?

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

There was an advert on at the time.

[Saints43]

Touched a raw nerve have I?

You seem a bit tetchy over this?
Aren't we all glad that RL was apppointed our Coach?

You declared- "It would seem another saintsational 'urban myth' was found to be nothing more than just that - 'urban myth'. "

I stated there have been three people take credit for introducing RL to the selection process.

How do you know which version is correct?

[White Winmar]

Bring back the Milton the Monster avatar, please M66. Legendary!

[Milton66]

Bring back the Milton the Monster avatar, please M66. Legendary!

Sorry mate, but it's the GF edition. All in good time, all in good time.

[Mr Magic]

Touched a raw nerve have I?

You seem a bit tetchy over this?
Aren't we all glad that RL was apppointed our Coach?

You declared- "It would seem another saintsational 'urban myth' was found to be nothing more than just that - 'urban myth'. "

I stated there have been three people take credit for introducing RL to the selection process.

How do you know which version is correct?

Exactly like you I have no idea what the truth is.

I choose to accept Ross Smith's spoken word, rather than a newspaper report of an alleged conversation.

Unlike the 'live interview' conducted this afternoon with Ross Smith, who knows what was edited/changed/inserted/ made up in that newspaper article?

From your responses do I take it you would ask Ross Smith to verify his statements for veracity?

And if he chooses not to take you up on that, you would submit that his version of events may/may not be true?
In which case he may/may not be a liar?

BTW, are you personally glad we have Ross Lyon coaching us?
You seemed to conveniently not answer that part of my last post?

[Saints43]

Touched a raw nerve have I?

You seem a bit tetchy over this?
Aren't we all glad that RL was apppointed our Coach?

You declared- "It would seem another saintsational 'urban myth' was found to be nothing more than just that - 'urban myth'. "

I stated there have been three people take credit for introducing RL to the selection process.

How do you know which version is correct?

Exactly like you I have no idea what the truth is.

I choose to accept Ross Smith's spoken word, rather than a newspaper report of an alleged conversation.

Unlike the 'live interview' conducted this afternoon with Ross Smith, who knows what was edited/changed/inserted/ made up in that newspaper article?

From your responses do I take it you would ask Ross Smith to verify his statements for veracity?

And if he chooses not to take you up on that, you would submit that his version of events may/may not be true?
In which case he may/may not be a liar?

BTW, are you personally glad we have Ross Lyon coaching us?
You seemed to conveniently not answer that part of my last post?

I 'conveniently' didn't answer it because it had nothing to do with the conversation. I am happy that Ross Lyon is coaching us and doing a great job. I hope my opinion on this matter has put you at ease.

As you say, you prefer to believe Ross Smith. I'm just saying that his is not the only version of events.

From your responses do I take it you would ask Robert Walls and Ken Sheldon to verify their statements for veracity?

I don't really care which version is correct.

I just don't think that any of us can make statements like:

"It would seem another saintsational 'urban myth' was found to be nothing more than just that - 'urban myth'. "

without knowing the facts in the first person.

[Mr Magic]

Touched a raw nerve have I?

You seem a bit tetchy over this?
Aren't we all glad that RL was apppointed our Coach?

You declared- "It would seem another saintsational 'urban myth' was found to be nothing more than just that - 'urban myth'. "

I stated there have been three people take credit for introducing RL to the selection process.

How do you know which version is correct?

Exactly like you I have no idea what the truth is.

I choose to accept Ross Smith's spoken word, rather than a newspaper report of an alleged conversation.

Unlike the 'live interview' conducted this afternoon with Ross Smith, who knows what was edited/changed/inserted/ made up in that newspaper article?

From your responses do I take it you would ask Ross Smith to verify his statements for veracity?

And if he chooses not to take you up on that, you would submit that his version of events may/may not be true?
In which case he may/may not be a liar?

BTW, are you personally glad we have Ross Lyon coaching us?
You seemed to conveniently not answer that part of my last post?

I 'conveniently' didn't answer it because it had nothing to do with the conversation. I am happy that Ross Lyon is coaching us and doing a great job. I hope my opinion on this matter has put you at ease.

As you say, you prefer to believe Ross Smith. I'm just saying that his is not the only version of events.

From your responses do I take it you would ask Robert Walls and Ken Sheldon to verify their statements for veracity?

I don't really care which version is correct.

I just don't think that any of us can make statements like:

"It would seem another saintsational 'urban myth' was found to be nothing more than just that - 'urban myth'. "

without knowing the facts in the first person.

See this is the difference.
I tend to believe what I hear people say from their own mouths.

You are trying to equate a newspaper article on an 'apparent converstaion' as the equal of actually hearing that conversation.
I personally don't believe that all newspaper articles are exact when reporting conversations.
You seem to want to believe that the article was 100% accurate.

I've already stated that I believe Ross Smith. I heard him with my own 2 ears.
No editing
No report of what he apparently said.
Just his voice coming over the radio.

Therefore, I see no issue in stating that the 'urban myth' is exactly that - an 'urban myth'.
Ross Smith has stated what happened and I believe him. I've never actually heard any other version of what took place. I have read media reports and media speculation of what the journalists claim took place, but I believe that this is the only case of someone who was there actually saying what took place.


And BTW, it's great that you think Ross is doing a great job.

[SENsei]

Saints43 overaction sensational.

.WHACK

Is that you Mark Doran?

Are you posting from the studio in Fed Square whilst you do your broadcast?

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

There was an advert on at the time.

Mark Doran would be extremely happy to be SENsaintsational.

[cowboy18]

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

It's not a fetish. It's a lifestyle choice.

[SENsei]

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

It's not a fetish. It's a lifestyle choice.

It's not a choice. It is part of your whole being. You have no choice.

IT JUST IS.

[Milton66]

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

It's not a fetish. It's a lifestyle choice.

Much like Pamela Anderson.

Hep Hep, Hooray!

[meher baba]

Success has many parents, failure is an orphan.

The club didn't only publicise Longmire, they publicised all the applicants whom they told the AFL world were on the shortlist.

Lyon has subsequently told the media that he didn't apply for the job, but was approached.

The club said at the time that Lyon was approached after the shortlist of the applicants was completed: suggesting that they weren't happy with who had applied.

Smith's version is difficult to reconcile with what the club said at the time. The idea that we didn't want to upset the Swans seems to be pretty lame to me. Given the way the rumour mills of the AFL world operate, I find it hard to believe that Lyon could have kept his candidature for the job secret from his colleagues at the Swans.

Anyway, what is wrong with the idea that Walls suggested Lyon? It turned out to be a good suggestion. Walls would presumably have known Lyon's qualities and abilities far better than would Smith.

But who really cares anyway?

Here's a rather amazing picture of Rebecca Twigley, if it's real....(which I very much doubt looking at the head angle, and at a couple of other key features which, although they were frequently displayed last night and looked very nice too, don't look anything like those in this picture))

[cowboy18]

But who really cares anyway?

I care. Stop looking at things through Ross coloured glasses.

[markp]

If this thread was a Police interrogation, I would've signed any confession they wanted me to by now.

[cowboy18]

Confess!

[Mr Magic]

At least its going again after an alarming hiatus!

[cowboy18]

Sacking Grant Thomas.

Good call bad call?

[joffaboy]

Does SEN know about your JLH fetish?

It's not a fetish. It's a lifestyle choice.

It's not a choice. It is part of your whole being. You have no choice.

IT JUST IS.

.WHACK

.KAPOW

.LIAR

[Milton66]

Confess!

Must be Rebecca. That certainly looks like Judd standing behind her right shoulder.

[Mr Magic]

The club said at the time that Lyon was approached after the shortlist of the applicants was completed: suggesting that they weren't happy with who had applied.

Or one could argue that they were happy with the shortlist but wished to add another name that had been suggested as being worthy of consideration?

This is my problem. We all see things from our own perspective and that colours the events in a particular bias.

I see absolutlely no problem with any of those appointed to the sub-committee in nominating persons they felt would be good for the job. In fact I believe it was their duty to do so if they knew of anybody who they felt should be interviewed.

Somehow on here there is this 'impression' that RL only got the job because 'his mate Wallsy' pumped him up for the job. I believe it is an 'urban myth' that has been told so many times that people actually believe it. Even if he was nominated by Walls, do you honestly believe that Smith, Sheldon and Fraser agreed only because Walls told them to appoint him?

Now 3 years later when we have had our greatest ever home & away season (win/loss) and are preparing for a grand final there seems to be a desire to not acknowledge that RL has proved to be a great appointment, except grudgingly.

And in your own case. I'm curious to understand why you felt Eade outcoached Lyon last Friday?
Did Eade also outcoach Thompson in the first final?
What constitutes outcoaching?