Another GT "Gem"... I agree 100%!

[reincarnated]

I like the use of the word currently...

Currently and in the past, possibly the afterlife

[satchmo]

WTF is it with GT threads on this board.

Greame Gellie never attracted so much interest.

That's it... I'm absolutely sick of all this Gellie rubbish, I'm out of here!!!!

[rodgerfox]

I mean seriously....boys grew into men and it is somehow amazing that SOME of the players improved physically????

It's also amazing that men may be better performing footballers than boys isn't it.

[Milton66]

I am all about the moment so I rekon Ross is the Boss however when GT was there I was pretty happy with him as well.

What I don't understand is the RL love over GT. It is way too early to make the call that he is miles better.

ATM both have made 2 prelims no more no less. In two weeks time we may be saying something different.

If (god forbid) we lose on Friday then we fall off the stage and miss the finals the next three years and RL is sacked how will they compare then.

I think it is a little harsh to say that we now have a real coach and GT wasn't on he still made two prelims with a very youg side.

Who is too say ifhe was in charge atm we would not be in the same position.

Forget the win/loss/PF argument.

My question is...

Is the club in much better shape now in terms of sustainable success than it was uner the previous regime?? The answer has to be YES.

And apart from the support of the board financially, I' say that RL has made the decisions to hire/recruit tec. And he deserves credit.

Never have I seen this club as stable both on and off the field as they are now. Welcome to professionalism, Saints.

[Milton66]

Joffaboy - 1
Meher Babba - 0



B4E - 1
Joffaboy - 1
Meher Babba - 0

Ya gotta luv it when the "real" boys come out to play.

Matrix... POPCORN!!!!!!!!!

Meher Baba is absolutely miles in front.


The only retort I can see is that he wanted to sack Lyon.

Simply return fire with 'Sack Westaway' and 'We are a certainty to win the 07 flag now that we have a real coach' (amongst many, many other appalling calls) and we find ourselves back at the original discussion. In which clearly, so very clearly, Meher Baba is currently well and truly pulling yours, B4Evas, SrR and Joffaboy's dacks down!

Sorry lads, but...

Meher Baba - 4
Joffaboy - 0 (probably minus 0 really in this thread)
B4Eva - 0 (even less than Joffaboy)
Wayne - 0 (see above)
SrR - 0 (see above)

Wayne's gone... move on.

[Milton66]

LMFBO!

PMSL: I like that one... never heard it before.

LMFBO? How about LMFTO?

[satchmo]

Never have I seen this club as stable both on and off the field as they are now.

Have to agree with that.

And if we do win the next two games, then I reckon we are a huge chance to go back to back.

[Milton66]

WTF is it with GT threads on this board.

Greame Gellie never attracted so much interest.

Gellie was a cr@p coach, an dthe internet wasn't around then.

[satchmo]

How about LMFTO?

We getting gender specific now!

[Milton66]

I mean seriously....boys grew into men and it is somehow amazing that SOME of the players improved physically????

It's also amazing that men may be better performing footballers than boys isn't it.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wrong answer. Now you're clutching at straws. Totally illogical and subjective statement.

Any gains in these kids playing better due to age, would have been offset by the retirements of players such as 35, Gtrain, Jones, et al.

Lose $5 from your score.

Milty appreciates the new Thesaurus he just got for his birthday.

[Milton66]

How about LMFTO?

We getting gender specific now!

What... never heard of man-boobs?

LMFMBO?

[satchmo]

How about LMFTO?

We getting gender specific now!

What... never heard of man-boobs?

LMFMBO?

Never! I deny any knowledge of such condition!

[Milton66]

RE: GT and his fitness staff.

I can comment with some limited authority.

Mark Smyth, Chris Jones, Mark Cera, Craig Starcevich and Adam Larcom were all during GT's time. Chris Jones probably the longest. And he had Olympic pedigree. Starcevich had Brisbane pedigree. Smyth and Larcom had good reputations and Cera was a boofhead, to be blunt.

Records were kept, but not to the extent that Misson wanted. Records on runs and beep tests were fine, but he wanted and keeps records of injuries, recovery times, extent of soft tissue tears, etc. More detailed information.

GT used to get involved in every facet of the club. Marketing, Training Services, Recruiting....you name it, he wanted to be involved...rightly or wrongly. Too often he spread himself way too thin.

IMO the football department of the club is run much more professionally now. A combination of extra money meaning extra staff and better equipment. More of a focus on professionalism and getting the right people for the right jobs.

I have maintained that GT was the right person in 2001 to rebuild the club and build respect. He was never the man who I thought would take us the next step.

Love him or hate him, GT changed the culture of our club. Nearly single handedly. You could question his performances on field, but this club was a basketcase and he rebuilt it. Some of it through luck, but most of it from being strong and sticking to his beliefs, rightly or wrongly.

The guy deserves respect for that alone. And I don't even like the man.

Ross Lyon is the finisher. He will be our Leigh Matthews, whilst Thomas will be the equivalent of the Walls/Northey rebuilding.

Lyon will go down as one of the best ever......in my future looking opinion.

But I respect everyone's opinion and the right to have that opinion.

Why didn't you post this on page 2 and kill the thread?

Very intelligent and fairly balanced IMO.

SENsational - 1

The rest of us - 0

I can handle people having differing opinions, and respect that also.

The sad part is that most of us, whatever side we fall on, can concede some positives. But the rest, are just so god-darn stubborn.

But your post sums it up nicely. And that's where I sit on the topic.

[Milton66]

How about LMFTO?

We getting gender specific now!

What... never heard of man-boobs?

LMFMBO?

Never! I deny any knowledge of such condition!

Never trust where KFC sources its chooks from.

Those steroid induced Rhode Island Reds are dangerous, and a 1 way ticket to a 36DD.

[satchmo]

But your post sums it up nicely. And that's where I sit on the topic.

And so endeth the thread......until.......

[Milton66]

But your post sums it up nicely. And that's where I sit on the topic.

And so endeth the thread......until.......

The day that GT starts to admit his failures and takes responsibility for them... and RB as well.

He made some mistakes, as does anyone. But they way people on here try to dismiss those mistakes is breathtaking. Which is why, I honestly believe, that this thread has go so long.

That and 20 pages of total BS instigated by yours truly.

[saint vince]

I am all about the moment so I rekon Ross is the Boss however when GT was there I was pretty happy with him as well.

What I don't understand is the RL love over GT. It is way too early to make the call that he is miles better.

ATM both have made 2 prelims no more no less. In two weeks time we may be saying something different.

If (god forbid) we lose on Friday then we fall off the stage and miss the finals the next three years and RL is sacked how will they compare then.

I think it is a little harsh to say that we now have a real coach and GT wasn't on he still made two prelims with a very youg side.

Who is too say ifhe was in charge atm we would not be in the same position.

Forget the win/loss/PF argument.

My question is...

Is the club in much better shape now in terms of sustainable success than it was uner the previous regime?? The answer has to be YES.

And apart from the support of the board financially, I' say that RL has made the decisions to hire/recruit tec. And he deserves credit.

Never have I seen this club as stable both on and off the field as they are now. Welcome to professionalism, Saints.

Why does the answer have to be yes. Because you said so. How about you say I think so. I too think we are better now than when GT left but is that to do with our list developing on, a new board and some young kids or just because RL is in the office.

It is impossible to say whether we would have been better with or without GT. My argument is that when he was there I was very hapy with what he was doing and I am equally happy with RL.

It is impossible to say wht would have been and every week these threads go on and on and on and the same name calling goes with it and all of this has sweet FA to do with the OP which was about GT talking about losing a final from 5 goals up which he has never done.

GO Saints.

[geometryofdivinity]

So you believe Reincarnated is posting under different logon's currently?

The archfiend might not be , but the 'mild mannered' pencil pusher is .

[saint vince]

But your post sums it up nicely. And that's where I sit on the topic.

And so endeth the thread......until.......

The day that GT starts to admit his failures and takes responsibility for them... and RB as well.

He made some mistakes, as does anyone. But they way people on here try to dismiss those mistakes is breathtaking. Which is why, I honestly believe, that this thread has go so long.

That and 20 pages of total BS instigated by yours truly.

I'm pretty sure when after about round 15 said that he would never of been able to get us to this point because he wouldn't of had Micky G or Kingy and that Lyon was doing a better job than he could he admitted his failures.

You just choose to ignore statements like that and attack eveything else he says.

I hope he is there on the 26th and cheering on with the rest of us.

Go saints.

[satchmo]

I hope he is there on the 26th and cheering on with the rest of us.

I hope he presents the Norm Smith, or the cup....imagine the thread!!!!

[saint vince]

I hope he is there on the 26th and cheering on with the rest of us.

I hope he presents the Norm Smith, or the cup....imagine the thread!!!!

There would be a complete explosion of "FFS" and emoticons.

This place may just melt down.

[Milton66]

I am all about the moment so I rekon Ross is the Boss however when GT was there I was pretty happy with him as well.

What I don't understand is the RL love over GT. It is way too early to make the call that he is miles better.

ATM both have made 2 prelims no more no less. In two weeks time we may be saying something different.

If (god forbid) we lose on Friday then we fall off the stage and miss the finals the next three years and RL is sacked how will they compare then.

I think it is a little harsh to say that we now have a real coach and GT wasn't on he still made two prelims with a very youg side.

Who is too say ifhe was in charge atm we would not be in the same position.

Forget the win/loss/PF argument.

My question is...

Is the club in much better shape now in terms of sustainable success than it was uner the previous regime?? The answer has to be YES.

And apart from the support of the board financially, I' say that RL has made the decisions to hire/recruit tec. And he deserves credit.

Never have I seen this club as stable both on and off the field as they are now. Welcome to professionalism, Saints.

Why does the answer have to be yes. Because you said so. How about you say I think so. I too think we are better now than when GT left but is that to do with our list developing on, a new board and some young kids or just because RL is in the office.

It is impossible to say whether we would have been better with or without GT. My argument is that when he was there I was very hapy with what he was doing and I am equally happy with RL.

It is impossible to say wht would have been and every week these threads go on and on and on and the same name calling goes with it and all of this has sweet FA to do with the OP which was about GT talking about losing a final from 5 goals up which he has never done.

GO Saints.

Mate, once again... I have never denied his legacy. I also believe that what he and Butters began broke down.

Let's forget your agnst towards me for a second...

20-2 record this year.

Meanest defence in the AFL this year (new assistant coach has played a major role in this). Who rectuied him?? Who recruited SOS??

Amazingly low level of soft tissue injuries. Misson, who recruited him?

Dawson, Ray, Schneider... who recruited them?

Milne, who kept him?

Joey's year. Under whom did he blossom?

Are we a more fitter, well drilled, disciplined team this year? You'd better believe it.

Are we more professional in our approach off field? You bet.

Not because I say so, but because it's fact.

Due to the feud between GT and RB, the status quo was simply untennable and would have ripped the club apart IMO.

They started with the greates of intentions, but it all went pear-shape due to their massive egos.

Everyone knows that GT was a control freak, and given that anyone who disagreed with him seemed to be shown the door (ask Daniher and Burkie), I honestly doubt the club would be better off with him today.

Why? Because GT is human and prone to make kistakes like everyone else. His failure to step away and let the board appoint a professional footy department is an indictment on an otherwise good win/loss ratio.

Finally...

Blues were 5 goals up and lost by (I think) 10 points = a 40 point turnaorund. Almost 7 goals.

We were what 13 points ahead and were outscored by 7 goals.

That is a capitulation which ever way you look at it.

[saint vince]

I am all about the moment so I rekon Ross is the Boss however when GT was there I was pretty happy with him as well.

What I don't understand is the RL love over GT. It is way too early to make the call that he is miles better.

ATM both have made 2 prelims no more no less. In two weeks time we may be saying something different.

If (god forbid) we lose on Friday then we fall off the stage and miss the finals the next three years and RL is sacked how will they compare then.

I think it is a little harsh to say that we now have a real coach and GT wasn't on he still made two prelims with a very youg side.

Who is too say ifhe was in charge atm we would not be in the same position.

Forget the win/loss/PF argument.

My question is...

Is the club in much better shape now in terms of sustainable success than it was uner the previous regime?? The answer has to be YES.

And apart from the support of the board financially, I' say that RL has made the decisions to hire/recruit tec. And he deserves credit.

Never have I seen this club as stable both on and off the field as they are now. Welcome to professionalism, Saints.

Why does the answer have to be yes. Because you said so. How about you say I think so. I too think we are better now than when GT left but is that to do with our list developing on, a new board and some young kids or just because RL is in the office.

It is impossible to say whether we would have been better with or without GT. My argument is that when he was there I was very hapy with what he was doing and I am equally happy with RL.

It is impossible to say wht would have been and every week these threads go on and on and on and the same name calling goes with it and all of this has sweet FA to do with the OP which was about GT talking about losing a final from 5 goals up which he has never done.

GO Saints.

Mate, once again... I have never denied his legacy. I also believe that what he and Butters began broke down.

Let's forget your agnst towards me for a second...

20-2 record this year.

Meanest defence in the AFL this year (new assistant coach has played a major role in this). Who rectuied him?? Who recruited SOS??

Amazingly low level of soft tissue injuries. Misson, who recruited him?

Dawson, Ray, Schneider... who recruited them?

Milne, who kept him?

Joey's year. Under whom did he blossom?

Are we a more fitter, well drilled, disciplined team this year? You'd better believe it.

Are we more professional in our approach off field? You bet.

Not because I say so, but because it's fact.

Due to the feud between GT and RB, the status quo was simply untennable and would have ripped the club apart IMO.

They started with the greates of intentions, but it all went pear-shape due to their massive egos.

Everyone knows that GT was a control freak, and given that anyone who disagreed with him seemed to be shown the door (ask Daniher and Burkie), I honestly doubt the club would be better off with him today.

Why? Because GT is human and prone to make kistakes like everyone else. His failure to step away and let the board appoint a professional footy department is an indictment on an otherwise good win/loss ratio.

Finally...

Blues were 5 goals up and lost by (I think) 10 points = a 40 point turnaorund. Almost 7 goals.

We were what 13 points ahead and were outscored by 7 goals.

That is a capitulation which ever way you look at it.

If you want to play the gae of who recruited who I will start also. I think you are taing me for a GT lover I am just saying that it is impossible to say what would have happened if he had stayed. Same goes for if we had of got another coach you just never know.

My argument is that atm they have both achieved the same and for a coach who took us from the bottom to two prelims and a third finals series he gets a bloody poor wrap.

I think our capitulation in two finals last year was pretty dramatic as well.

GO Saints.

[Milton66]

But your post sums it up nicely. And that's where I sit on the topic.

And so endeth the thread......until.......

The day that GT starts to admit his failures and takes responsibility for them... and RB as well.

He made some mistakes, as does anyone. But they way people on here try to dismiss those mistakes is breathtaking. Which is why, I honestly believe, that this thread has go so long.

That and 20 pages of total BS instigated by yours truly.

I'm pretty sure when after about round 15 said that he would never of been able to get us to this point because he wouldn't of had Micky G or Kingy and that Lyon was doing a better job than he could he admitted his failures.

You just choose to ignore statements like that and attack eveything else he says.

I hope he is there on the 26th and cheering on with the rest of us.

Go saints.

Um, that's not owning your mistakes when you were coach. That's admitting what is obvious.

Tell me, when did he confess to not having the proper fitness team around him? When he stated that fitness staff are over rated?

How contrite was he when he finall admitted that his appointment was a sham? Not very much.

When has he ever admitted that his half-cocked tirade against the umps was a silly thing to do and caused an unnecessary distraction coming in to a finals campaign?

Read the farking posts before you start taking shots at me. You've decided you want to join in and attack me? Go ahead, mate.

You are wrong, and as some one else would say... that's a lie.

I have clearly agreed with some of his opinions. Even Stevie fricken Wonder can see that.

You obviously can't.

[saint vince]

But your post sums it up nicely. And that's where I sit on the topic.

And so endeth the thread......until.......

The day that GT starts to admit his failures and takes responsibility for them... and RB as well.

He made some mistakes, as does anyone. But they way people on here try to dismiss those mistakes is breathtaking. Which is why, I honestly believe, that this thread has go so long.

That and 20 pages of total BS instigated by yours truly.

I'm pretty sure when after about round 15 said that he would never of been able to get us to this point because he wouldn't of had Micky G or Kingy and that Lyon was doing a better job than he could he admitted his failures.

You just choose to ignore statements like that and attack eveything else he says.

I hope he is there on the 26th and cheering on with the rest of us.

Go saints.

Um, that's not owning your mistakes when you were coach. That's admitting what is obvious.

Tell me, when did he confess to not having the proper fitness team around him? When he stated that fitness staff are over rated?

How contrite was he when he finall admitted that his appointment was a sham? Not very much.

When has he ever admitted that his half-cocked tirade against the umps was a silly thing to do and caused an unnecessary distraction coming in to a finals campaign?

Read the farking posts before you start taking shots at me. You've decided you want to join in and attack me? Go ahead, mate.

You are wrong, and as some one else would say... that's a lie.

I have clearly agreed with some of his opinions. Even Stevie fricken Wonder can see that.

You obviously can't.

Well according to you all his mistakes are obvious so how can he win. I am not having a go at you. I havn't attacked you I have challenged what you have said just like you have challenged what I have said.

Can you point out were I lied as I think I have only expressed an opinion.