Another GT "Gem"... I agree 100%!

[SENsei]

Because I have confidence that it will work.

I don't deal in 'ifs'.

[bob__71]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

But I must say Rodge, you are setting the scene beautifully for a perfect trolling storm should the saints fail at one of the last posts.

[rodgerfox]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

We're better than them though. We've proven it.

The coaches job is to ensure that we're at our best on a given day.

[reincarnated]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

But I must say Rodge, you are setting the scene beautifully for a perfect trolling storm should the saints fail at one of the last posts.

Geelong yes. The crows will not be as potent without McLeod, Goodwin, Burton and Edwards running around. The Dogs can have fun finishing 3-5th in their window as without a key forward and testicles they won't be finishing higher baring a fluke. Collingwood are still off. Brisbane will be struggling when Bradshaw, Power, Black and co leave

[bob__71]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

We're better than them though. We've proven it.

The coaches job is to ensure that we're at our best on a given day.

We were better than them in the games we have played so far. But by that logic Essendon and North were better than us. They proved it.

I have confidence that if we get beaten by anyone in the finals it will be because the opposition plays a blinder. I have confidence that the StKilda team will try their best.

[stinger]

Susie was a real heroin .

i thought that was our rod....

Did I make a typo?

maybe yes....maybe no......typos are accidental mistakes,............

[Milton66]

We lose and it will be so disappointing, it will be unfathomable. But I reckon the sun will still come up the next day and I will put one foot in front of the other.

It's a football game. Two games to win.

You are contradicting yourself.....

One hand - we will be stuck with the coach regardless....as if that is the most unpalatable thing going.

Other hand - "Hell, Ken Judge could surely win the flag from here in our position!!"


So if we lose it's all on the coach and if we win, then Joe the Blind Miner could've done it.

So Lyon would get no praise from you with the premiership cup but would get the sack if we fall at one of the last hurdles?

Is that your position?

No, no, I think my point has been missed.

Lyon has put us in this point and will get absolute credit when/if we win it.

He is coaching very very well. I mean seriously, we are so far ahead of the pack that it isn't funny.


The point is, that if we don't win it - the same recipe that has got us here, will surely be deemed to have failed given the dream run we have had.

If it doesn't work now under the current circumstances, I can't imagine it will work if things don't go our way.

Why would you be happy to have a coach whose methods don't work?

OMG!!

This is crazy even by your standards. How can you really say that?

So you'd sack him if we lost the GF? Because his methods don't work? So the possibility that we can win it next year with RL as coach isn't possible according to you?

FFS, come out of the closet of shyte stirrers will ya.

[Milton66]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

We're better than them though. We've proven it.

The coaches job is to ensure that we're at our best on a given day.

We were better than them in the games we have played so far. But by that logic Essendon and North were better than us. They proved it.

I have confidence that if we get beaten by anyone in the finals it will be because the opposition plays a blinder. I have confidence that the StKilda team will try their best.

And yet, if you scroll back a few pages on this thread, Mr Magic dug up an old post where Rodger categorically states that we were fortunate to beat some of these teams becaue they had players missing... go figure.

rodgerfox wrote:
We've been very fortunate. Let's be honest.

We played the Pies without 3 or 4 of their best.
We played the Cats without Johnson.
We played the Crows without Edwards.
We beat Dogs after Higgins, Murphy and someone else got hurt during the game.

We've been very fortunate this year.

So now we go from "we were fortunate" to "we are the best and if we lose, the coach is to blame".

[rodgerfox]

This is crazy even by your standards. How can you really say that?

So you'd sack him if we lost the GF? Because his methods don't work?

Sigh.

But, you cannot sack a coach after making a prelim. You cannot sack a coach after a good season.

How hard is it to read what people write before shooting your mouth off?

[rodgerfox]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

We're better than them though. We've proven it.

The coaches job is to ensure that we're at our best on a given day.

We were better than them in the games we have played so far. But by that logic Essendon and North were better than us. They proved it.

I have confidence that if we get beaten by anyone in the finals it will be because the opposition plays a blinder. I have confidence that the StKilda team will try their best.

And yet, if you scroll back a few pages on this thread, Mr Magic dug up an old post where Rodger categorically states that we were fortunate to beat some of these teams becaue they had players missing... go figure.

rodgerfox wrote:
We've been very fortunate. Let's be honest.

We played the Pies without 3 or 4 of their best.
We played the Cats without Johnson.
We played the Crows without Edwards.
We beat Dogs after Higgins, Murphy and someone else got hurt during the game.

We've been very fortunate this year.

So now we go from "we were fortunate" to "we are the best and if we lose, the coach is to blame".

I simply cannot believe your stupidity.

At what point have I said we were lucky to beat these teams??

You've even quotde my post!!! And in it at no point do I say we were lucky to beat those teams - and I certainly didn't categorically say it!!

F*ck me. Are you on this planet? I apologise for calling you a liar Wayne - it's clear that you most likely aren't purposely lying - I think you're just a simpleton.

Fair dinkum. Can you not read?

[reincarnated]

Rodger the Dodger what is the point of quoting teams that are still in the finals and stating who has been missing from each?

Reincarnated says this. Teams get injuries. We have had injuries. Hawthorn played against us with 8 of our top players out, we still won. Do we blame our victory on injuries?

Football is an interesting specimen. A club can run on emotion, courage and fear of failure and it drives players to heights otherwise unforeseen. Especially the poorer ones i.e. CJ, MCQ, Zac, Geary.

W have been running on positive energy and its assisted us going forward. Regardless of who is there they have performed well above what was initially expected of them going into 2009.

We are in a good place currently and it is being seen on the field and off.

To label our season as lucky or but a *** beside it due to playing a few teams that have had players injured is unintelligent and wrecks of the old St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture that has dogged our once pathetic football club.

The players have done the job up until now. Roo obviously has a knee issue, further details will come out about how serious it is after our year is completed.

[rodgerfox]

Rodger the Dodger what is the point of quoting teams that are still in the finals and stating who has been missing from each?

Reincarnated says this. Teams get injuries. We have had injuries. Hawthorn played against us with 8 of our top players out, we still won. Do we blame our victory on injuries?

Football is an interesting specimen. A club can run on emotion, courage and fear of failure and it drives players to heights otherwise unforeseen. Especially the poorer ones i.e. CJ, MCQ, Zac, Geary.

W have been running on positive energy and its assisted us going forward. Regardless of who is there they have performed well above what was initially expected of them going into 2009.

We are in a good place currently and it is being seen on the field and off.

To label our season as lucky or but a *** beside it due to playing a few teams that have had players injured is unintelligent and wrecks of the old St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture that has dogged our once pathetic football club.

The players have done the job up until now. Roo obviously has a knee issue, further details will come out about how serious it is after our year is completed.

?

I was simply pointing out how we've had some good fortune throughout the year in relation to playing teams when they've had important players missing.

That's it. Nothing more.

[saint66au]

Rodger the Dodger what is the point of quoting teams that are still in the finals and stating who has been missing from each?

Reincarnated says this. Teams get injuries. We have had injuries. Hawthorn played against us with 8 of our top players out, we still won. Do we blame our victory on injuries?

Football is an interesting specimen. A club can run on emotion, courage and fear of failure and it drives players to heights otherwise unforeseen. Especially the poorer ones i.e. CJ, MCQ, Zac, Geary.

W have been running on positive energy and its assisted us going forward. Regardless of who is there they have performed well above what was initially expected of them going into 2009.

We are in a good place currently and it is being seen on the field and off.

To label our season as lucky or but a *** beside it due to playing a few teams that have had players injured is unintelligent and wrecks of the old St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture that has dogged our once pathetic football club.

The players have done the job up until now. Roo obviously has a knee issue, further details will come out about how serious it is after our year is completed.

?

I was simply pointing out how we've had some good fortune throughout the year in relation to playing teams when they've had important players missing.

That's it. Nothing more.

You never "simply point out" Rodg..theres an agenda behind pretty much all your posts so dont go all coy

So what you are saying is that the only wins with merit are those against teams with their absolute best 22 out there?

Like..ummm..last week fr instance????

[reincarnated]

Rodger the Dodger what is the point of quoting teams that are still in the finals and stating who has been missing from each?

Reincarnated says this. Teams get injuries. We have had injuries. Hawthorn played against us with 8 of our top players out, we still won. Do we blame our victory on injuries?

Football is an interesting specimen. A club can run on emotion, courage and fear of failure and it drives players to heights otherwise unforeseen. Especially the poorer ones i.e. CJ, MCQ, Zac, Geary.

W have been running on positive energy and its assisted us going forward. Regardless of who is there they have performed well above what was initially expected of them going into 2009.

We are in a good place currently and it is being seen on the field and off.

To label our season as lucky or but a *** beside it due to playing a few teams that have had players injured is unintelligent and wrecks of the old St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture that has dogged our once pathetic football club.

The players have done the job up until now. Roo obviously has a knee issue, further details will come out about how serious it is after our year is completed.

?

I was simply pointing out how we've had some good fortune throughout the year in relation to playing teams when they've had important players missing.

That's it. Nothing more.

Reincarnated says you have made the similar point constantly, desist or Reincarnated will have to take action old chum

[markp]

St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture

SP2008 is the only person on the planet I've encountered who used the term 'loser-ish', it's not even a freakin word... and I actually thought you were too clever to be him.

Seems I was wrong.

Was 'SaintsPremiers2009' taken?

[rodgerfox]

So what you are saying is that the only wins with merit are those against teams with their absolute best 22 out there?

Like..ummm..last week fr instance????

I'm not saying anything of the sort.


Besides, losing Pendlebury in the first 5 minutes was some good fortune for us.

[Mr Magic]

Apparently we're on top having won 20 out of 22 H&A games plus a qualifying final despite him rather than because of anything he's instituted or done.
We've just been very lucky, that's all.

That's just silly.

Can you point out who said that and where, cause I'll go into the thread and debate it with them because it's quite simply a silly thing to say.

Are you sure that's what they said?

Better get yourself a mirror so that you can debate yourself.

We've been very fortunate. Let's be honest.

We played the Pies without 3 or 4 of their best.
We played the Cats without Johnson.
We played the Crows without Edwards.
We beat Dogs after Higgins, Murphy and someone else got hurt during the game.

We've also remained injury free.

We've been very fortunate this year.


But that's certainly not a bad thing. Luck is what wins you a flag. There's lots of things you need to get right within your own control, but the very nature of Aussie Rules - the oval ball, 18 guys on the park, wind, human umpires, ludicrous scheduling etc. mean that the best team doesn't always win.
It's not an even playing field.

Luck is the biggest factor.


We've had that in spades this year.

And I believe it will continue.

Look at this.....

We play Collingwood. A very average side. An average side that has just brought in Rocca.

Again, I feel our luck is in. We cop Collingwood after they got rolled pretty easily.

We'll beat them easily tomorrow. It will actually be quite scary for the remaining 6 teams.

Then, we find ourselves in the 'easy' side of the draw. We get a fortnight break, whilst the plodders in Carlton/Brisbane and the Dogs work out who will play us in the Prelim.

Clearly, they showed it, the Dogs don't want to play us.

Meanwhile, on the other side the Cats get to play Adelaide. A pretty fired up Adelaide, whom foolishly believe they've got the goods.

Then, in the GF we'll play a 'shiit scared of losing' Geelong, or an Adelaide side that we belted by 40 odd points a month or so ago, after they'd just had their confidence up after 7 straight wins.


We've created much of our own luck this year, granted. But there's plenty that you simply don't get a say in.

Like Sydney in 05, things have gone our way. And will continue to do so.

I don't know why, but this is the finally the year that the Saints win the flag. Finally the year when things go our way.

It's quite enjoyable isn't it.

And unlike some posters habit of 'selectively' quoting posts, your whole post is there.

Go knock yourself out rodgerstool.

And btw, I'm pretty certain that a mod 'outed' you as also using Violent Stool as a name on here?

Which means your protestation of never having used it would be an untruth, which would make you a liar - which you have posted as something you detest.
Therefore you've something in common with many other posters on here -we/they detest your 'baiting' posting style on here.

Methinks it's time for you to get some new material as your old stuff has become increasingly boring.

Oh rodger you Violemt Stool you!

I've repeated your post on us being lucky so that you can explain away the two statements highlighted in larger size with your current view of what you've posted in the last couple of hours?

[Milton66]

Geelong, Adelaide, Dogs, collingwood or Brisbane. They are all professional teams who have put years of work to get where they are now. And all of whome are capable of beating us on a given day.

It hasnt happened till its happened.

We're better than them though. We've proven it.

The coaches job is to ensure that we're at our best on a given day.

We were better than them in the games we have played so far. But by that logic Essendon and North were better than us. They proved it.

I have confidence that if we get beaten by anyone in the finals it will be because the opposition plays a blinder. I have confidence that the StKilda team will try their best.

And yet, if you scroll back a few pages on this thread, Mr Magic dug up an old post where Rodger categorically states that we were fortunate to beat some of these teams becaue they had players missing... go figure.

rodgerfox wrote:
We've been very fortunate. Let's be honest.

We played the Pies without 3 or 4 of their best.
We played the Cats without Johnson.
We played the Crows without Edwards.
We beat Dogs after Higgins, Murphy and someone else got hurt during the game.

We've been very fortunate this year.

So now we go from "we were fortunate" to "we are the best and if we lose, the coach is to blame".

I simply cannot believe your stupidity.

At what point have I said we were lucky to beat these teams??

You've even quotde my post!!! And in it at no point do I say we were lucky to beat those teams - and I certainly didn't categorically say it!!

F*ck me. Are you on this planet? I apologise for calling you a liar Wayne - it's clear that you most likely aren't purposely lying - I think you're just a simpleton.

Fair dinkum. Can you not read?

Yes, I can read, cabbage. You state that we were fortunate and then mention how teams were not at full strenght. Then in the next line you say that we've proven that we're better than them? It appears simple to this simpleton.

Once agin, you state that you want me to copulate you. Mate that might be your cup of tea, but it ain't mine. Maybe that's why you call yourself Violent Stool? Is it due to the looseness of your rectal muscles? Has some one pushed in your stool once too often in the past?

So please clarify the following for a simpleton like me:

rodgerfox wrote:
We've been very fortunate. Let's be honest.

We played the Pies without 3 or 4 of their best.
We played the Cats without Johnson.
We played the Crows without Edwards.
We beat Dogs after Higgins, Murphy and someone else got hurt during the game.

then you go on to post:

I was simply pointing out how we've had some good fortune throughout the year in relation to playing teams when they've had important players missing.

That's it. Nothing more

so how do you reconcile your statements that we've proven we're better than them, yet you contradict yourself by saying we were fortunate to beat them?

Please explain and I'll happily apologise. Until then, stop lying about what you did or didn't say.

Now get back to your evening shift on the checkout.

[reincarnated]

St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture

SP2008 is the only person on the planet I've encountered who used the term 'loser-ish', it's not even a freakin word... and I actually thought you were too clever to be him.

Seems I was wrong.

Was 'SaintsPremiers2009' taken?

For the last time Reincarnated is not the mentioned poster. Reincarnated actually heard the term a few weeks ago over lunch with a few friends as they were laying into Reincarnated about how poorly our football club has gone. The usual nonsense.

It looked better with a hyphen perhaps? Without?

[rodgerfox]

so how do you reconcile your statements that we've proven we're better than them, yet you contradict yourself by saying we were fortunate to beat them?

Please explain and I'll happily apologise. Until then, stop lying about what you did or didn't say.

For a start I never we were fortunate to beat them. If you can point where I did, please do so.

Secondly, we've proven to be better than them because we finished above them on the ladder and beat them all.


Surely, for the love of god, that is as clear as day.

[saint66au]

So what you are saying is that the only wins with merit are those against teams with their absolute best 22 out there?

Like..ummm..last week fr instance????

I'm not saying anything of the sort.


Besides, losing Pendlebury in the first 5 minutes was some good fortune for us.

Its all moot anyway. Noone argues that a bit of luck doesnt go a long way to winning a flag..whether its a blessed run of injuries to your own team, or your opponents having a few out..thats footy. I wont be celebrating any less hard if we make the GF, play Geelong, Selwood and Ablett get injured at training and we win by 6 goals.

Frankly, given our run of injuries over the last 6-8 years I reckon we are due a few lucky breaks eh???

[markp]

Newsflash: Dodgy stool has no real interest in any particular stance he may choose to adopt, only in stroking his own ego and shyte stirring (it amuses him to the point of it being creepy).... if you get him by the tail on a particular argument he will just shed it like a lizard, slink off behind one of his embankments and grow another.

As rightly pointed out he is now merely positioning himself and putting in the shovel work in preparation for a St Kilda loss.... and oh how he relishes the prospect of plundering those fertile fields! He can almost taste it....

The only question is why does he bother?

[markp]

St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture

SP2008 is the only person on the planet I've encountered who used the term 'loser-ish', it's not even a freakin word... and I actually thought you were too clever to be him.

Seems I was wrong.

Was 'SaintsPremiers2009' taken?

For the last time Reincarnated is not the mentioned poster. Reincarnated actually heard the term a few weeks ago over lunch with a few friends as they were laying into Reincarnated about how poorly our football club has gone. The usual nonsense.

It looked better with a hyphen perhaps? Without?

Ok...






So, was SaintsPremiers2009 taken?

[reincarnated]

St kilda loser-ish, fear of success culture

SP2008 is the only person on the planet I've encountered who used the term 'loser-ish', it's not even a freakin word... and I actually thought you were too clever to be him.

Seems I was wrong.

Was 'SaintsPremiers2009' taken?

For the last time Reincarnated is not the mentioned poster. Reincarnated actually heard the term a few weeks ago over lunch with a few friends as they were laying into Reincarnated about how poorly our football club has gone. The usual nonsense.

It looked better with a hyphen perhaps? Without?

Ok...






So, was SaintsPremiers2009 taken?

Reincarnated was always going to be Reincarnated

[markp]

Reincarnated was always going to be Reincarnated

How zen.