John Greening

[Johnny Utah]

Do your fellow supporters really need something that happened nearly 40 years ago as motivation to believe your team can get over the line this week, or is there something good about the current team you can highlight?

I don't think the Greening incident is relevant now but you can hardly deny people who saw it/were involved with it, bringing it up again whenever Collingwood play St. Kilda.

You put yourself in their shoes, Robert Harvey is hit behind play, goes into a coma in 1991 by a Collingwood player. Harvey fights for his life, never recovers & the Collingwood player is rewarded with inclusion to the HOF. How would you feel whenever you played against Collingwood?

[markp]

Swan. Bouncer leaves his legal control area, tries to instigate physical contact with Swan. No difference to the David Hookes case in that the bouncer leaves his legal control area, instead of getting bashed, he bashes Hookes to death. No criminal charges when the matter goes to court.

He was a cleaner .... and the matter is being heard in court as we speak.

AFL star player Dane Swan joined in a "vicious, thuggish, savage and brutal" assault on a cleaner at Federation Square, a jury has been told.

[Thinline]

Do your fellow supporters really need something that happened nearly 40 years ago as motivation to believe your team can get over the line this week, or is there something good about the current team you can highlight?

I don't think the Greening incident is relevant now but you can hardly deny people who saw it/were involved with it, bringing it up again whenever Collingwood play St. Kilda.

You put yourself in their shoes, Robert Harvey is hit behind play, goes into a coma in 1991 by a Collingwood player. Harvey fights for his life, never recovers & the Collingwood player is rewarded with inclusion to the HOF. How would you feel whenever you played against Collingwood?

Without any shadow of a doubt I would be well and truly over it, and - perhaps a bit like Campbell Brown and Al Clarkson should have done - I'd have picked through the trash in my own backyard as I pondered the wisdom of dredging up such an antiquated reason for sooking.

Seriously mate, go away.

I'm embarrassed at myself for wasting time even communicating with you.

That said, at least this forum affords the opportunity for open discussion.

I note your equivalent does not.

Again, that's Eddiewood for you.

[Mr Magic]

But isn't Swan the dirty dog who set upon some poor bloke with 2 of his mates ?
Sounds a lot worse than what O'Dea did.

Hardly comparable.

O'Dea, no alcohol, a pre mediated instruction from Jeans to fell Greening behind play, whilst unaware of the hit (he didn't have the gumption to strike him with warning) on a sporting field.

No matter how many times you post this accusation it doesn't make it any truer. Only 2 people for sure know what happened in that incident O'Dea and Greening. I'm assuming you're not either of them so you are either repeating s*** you've been told or are making it up as you go along.

There was absolutely no premeditation by O'Dea. Greening sledged him about his estranged wife as he ran past him after taking his kick, and O'Dea hit him.
Simple as that.
Yes it was a tragedy that Greening was so severely hurt. But for Collingwood to take the 'high moral ground' over it, given what they've done over the decades is an absolute disgrace.


Go look at the reasons Nicky Winmar felt the need to lift his jumper at Victoria Park that day. He wasn't trying to get a suntan. Collingwood more than anyone forced the league's hand on passing racial villification laws. The Filth Army were nothing short of a disgrace when it came to indigenous players.

As for inducting people into Club Halls of Fame, do I need to remind you of some of your more illustrious 'champions?
Tuddenham
Millane
and future inductee Didak.

Maybe it's time you went back to your own forum where you can get sycophantic responses from your fellow supporters, rather than coming on here preaching about our ills and ignoring your own epidemics?

[Milan Faletic]

37 years ago. Come on!

I was referring to this whole thread Milan.

Sorry mate. I'm a sensitive fellow.

No hard feelings.

If you want a pic of the record I can still send it to you.

[Johnny Utah]

No matter how many times you post this accusation it doesn't make it any truer. Only 2 people for sure know what happened in that incident O'Dea and Greening. I'm assuming you're not either of them so you are either repeating s*** you've been told or are making it up as you go along.

There were actually quite a number of witnesses to the incident. There has also been newspaper reports with quotes/stances from O'Dea & other club officials. Greening has no awareness of the incident as he has stated he was felled from behind & didn't see the hit prior.

The worst 2 behind the play incidents have been Matthews breaking Bruns jaw behind play & the Greening incident. There is a common denominator in both.

[perfectionist]

Gratuitously bringing Allan Jeans into it was a mistake and a gross error of judgment. Time for a lock?

[Thinline]

No matter how many times you post this accusation it doesn't make it any truer. Only 2 people for sure know what happened in that incident O'Dea and Greening. I'm assuming you're not either of them so you are either repeating s*** you've been told or are making it up as you go along.

There were actually quite a number of witnesses to the incident. There has also been newspaper reports with quotes/stances from O'Dea & other club officials. Greening has no awareness of the incident as he has stated he was felled from behind & didn't see the hit prior.

The worst 2 behind the play incidents have been Matthews breaking Bruns jaw behind play & the Greening incident. There is a common denominator in both.

Your hypocrisy is breathtaking in its boldness.

I suppose, too, you are absolutely devastated that your mob took on Matthews as a coach given his reputation for blatant thuggery... Geez, Shaw and Mathews on the '90 dais...

Oh how the high horse runs in one direction...

Fair dinkum.

I'm over it.

[Mr Magic]

No matter how many times you post this accusation it doesn't make it any truer. Only 2 people for sure know what happened in that incident O'Dea and Greening. I'm assuming you're not either of them so you are either repeating s*** you've been told or are making it up as you go along.

There were actually quite a number of witnesses to the incident. There has also been newspaper reports with quotes/stances from O'Dea & other club officials. Greening has no awareness of the incident as he has stated he was felled from behind & didn't see the hit prior.

The worst 2 behind the play incidents have been Matthews breaking Bruns jaw behind play & the Greening incident. There is a common denominator in both.

I was at the game.
My recollection is that Greening had a mrk/free kick. O'Dea was standing the mark. Greening took his kick and followed it, running past O'Dea. This is when O'Dea hit him.

I didn't see it. and neither did 99.99% of those who were at the game. The VFl asked any of the public who claimed to have seen it to come forward. SOme did come forward and my recollection is that all of their versions were discounted.

O'Dea admitted hitting Greening which is why he was suspended.
O'Dea kept quiet about the sledge.

I was told on the Monday after the game what O'Dea's version of events was by someone close to O'Dea. Maybe it was buutish, but the person who told me was in a position to know.

[older saint]

I was 1 year old so only know of the incident. Sounds disgusting and potentially as bad a Matthews on Bruns with greater damage.

That said it was 37 years ago but what do you expect from a club that worships a player who fortunately did not kill anyone else but himself driving while 3 times over the legal limit.

[cowboy18]

Gratuitously bringing Allan Jeans into it was a mistake and a gross error of judgment. Time for a lock?

Not until Milan posts his record cover!

[Johnny Utah]

I suppose, too, you are absolutely devastated that your mob took on Matthews as a coach given his reputation for blatant thuggery...

There was quite a lot of debate RE Matthews being appointed as the 2IC at the end of 85'.

The Bruns incident was still fresh in the mind & the criminal case that resulted. There was a famous interview b/w Peter McKenna & Jeans directly after the incident (I think it may even be on Youtube) & you can clearly see him getting defensive to the point of physical confrontation when the O'Dea was raised, clearly a sign of someone not telling the whole story.

[GrumpyOne]

I suppose, too, you are absolutely devastated that your mob took on Matthews as a coach given his reputation for blatant thuggery...

There was quite a lot of debate RE Matthews being appointed as the 2IC at the end of 85'.

The Bruns incident was still fresh in the mind & the criminal case that resulted. There was a famous interview b/w Peter McKenna & Jeans directly after the incident (I think it may even be on Youtube) & you can clearly see him getting defensive to the point of physical confrontation when the O'Dea was raised, clearly a sign of someone not telling the whole story.

Or someone being provoked beyond all reason by a plethora of unjustified allegations?

Like you are doing here.

Again I warn you (and the SS mods)..... there is a good chance that legal action could be brought over your allegations of Jeans' involvement.

[Milan Faletic]

Gratuitously bringing Allan Jeans into it was a mistake and a gross error of judgment. Time for a lock?

Not until Milan posts his record cover!

How do i do it???

I've clicked on img but it just puts the brackets up with img[/img]

[satchmo]

I saw the incident and it didn't look that bad. Greatest beat up in the history of the game. Carry on.

[snoopygirl]

This incident gets dragged out every year when we play Collingwood.
It was a terrible thing that happened, Collingwood have their opinion, we have ours. No need to keep arguing over it.

I am locking this thread.