loewe

[mustangjack]

could someone tell me if he is on that panel, if yes he is really starting to piss me off, The man might have big hands but small crackers. bloody YES man

[VietNam_Saint]

Oh , i was thinking this post was about bringing Buckets in to replace Kosi .

my Bad.

[cycle boy]

Wasn't Loewe on the MRP that hung Gehrig for that jumper punch years ago.
If he is on the MRP then there is a major conflict of interest and he should stand down for St.Kilda cases.
Its like Judge Judy hearing a case involving her mum and dad.
Would not happen.

[roxanne]

Does Judge Judy have a mum or dad? She looks like she was spawned in a petrie dish to me.

[saint66au]

Wasn't Loewe on the MRP that hung Gehrig for that jumper punch years ago.
If he is on the MRP then there is a major conflict of interest and he should stand down for St.Kilda cases.
Its like Judge Judy hearing a case involving her mum and dad.
Would not happen.

Silly comment imo and a slur on Stewies integrity

Its like Harvs asking for the week off when Carlton play St Kilda

[stinger]

Wasn't Loewe on the MRP that hung Gehrig for that jumper punch years ago.
If he is on the MRP then there is a major conflict of interest and he should stand down for St.Kilda cases.
Its like Judge Judy hearing a case involving her mum and dad.
Would not happen.

Silly comment imo and a slur on Stewies integrity

Its like Harvs asking for the week off when Carlton play St Kilda

.he wouldn't do that ..would be unaustralian ......he'd just take a sickie...

[Enrico_Misso]

Very disappointed that a great man like Loewe would be involved in a pathetic inconsistent disgrace like this.

Not happy Stewie.

[SaintDebi]

Stewie is a Saints great and a man of integrity.
I don't know the ins and outs of how the panel works, but I doubt he's sitting there and casting the deciding vote?

[Moccha]

Stewie is a Saints great and a man of integrity.
I don't know the ins and outs of how the panel works, but I doubt he's sitting there and casting the deciding vote?

They all add up

[SaintDebi]

Stewie is a Saints great and a man of integrity.
I don't know the ins and outs of how the panel works, but I doubt he's sitting there and casting the deciding vote?

They all add up

Yeah, but does it have to be unanimous? If not, and he "votes" in our favour, how does that make him responsible?

[SteveStevens66]

Wasn't Loewe on the MRP that hung Gehrig for that jumper punch years ago. If he is on the MRP then there is a major conflict of interest and he should stand down for St.Kilda cases.

Conflict of interest? Welcome to the AFL. The whole structure from the administration, to the issue of Etihad, catering services, composition of the tribunal, the MRP, the rules committee, media commentators (KB and Luke Darcy commentate AND sit on the rules committee--no chance of any criticism there) and a hundred other things is riddled with conflicts of interest.

The structure is completely rotten.

[saint75]

Wasn't Loewe on the MRP that hung Gehrig for that jumper punch years ago. If he is on the MRP then there is a major conflict of interest and he should stand down for St.Kilda cases.

Conflict of interest? Welcome to the AFL. The whole structure from the administration, to the issue of Etihad, catering services, composition of the tribunal, the MRP, the rules committee, media commentators (KB and Luke Darcy commentate AND sit on the rules committee--no chance of any criticism there) and a hundred other things is riddled with conflicts of interest.

The structure is completely rotten.

Welcome to the world of big business!

[perfectionist]

Stewart Loewe is not a member of either the MRP nor the Tribunal. In fact, as far I as can tell, no former St Kilda player has any role at all in the AFL or its bodies.

Amended, see below.

[Legendary]

Stewie was on the MRP but hasn't been the last two years I don't think?

[degruch]

Stewie was on the MRP but hasn't been the last two years I don't think?

He was quoted in the papers as having been part of this hearing, including Henderson and Schimmelbush...I think its in the Zac Verdict thread.

[perfectionist]

AFL Match Review Panel
Chairman: Andrew McKay
Members:
Peter Carey
Paul Broderick


AFL Tribunal
Chairman: David Jones
Members:
John Hassett
Will Houghton QC
Andrew Tinney
Emmett Dunne
Michael Sexton
Wayne Schimmelbusch
Richard Loveridge
David Pittman

AFL Appeals Board
Chairman: Peter O'Callaghan
Members:
Brian Collis QC
Brian Bourke
John Schultz
Michael Gree

Perhaps this has been updated, but does appear to be the latest. Amended, see below.

[degruch]

AFL Match Review Panel
Chairman: Andrew McKay
Members:
Peter Carey
Paul Broderick


AFL Tribunal
Chairman: David Jones
Members:
John Hassett
Will Houghton QC
Andrew Tinney
Emmett Dunne
Michael Sexton
Wayne Schimmelbusch
Richard Loveridge
David Pittman

AFL Appeals Board
Chairman: Peter O'Callaghan
Members:
Brian Collis QC
Brian Bourke
John Schultz
Michael Gree

Perhaps this has been updated, but does appear to be the latest.

Haha! At least the paper got Schimma right.

In any case, if Stuie had been on the case, he'd have a job to do that no longer involves St Kilda, which you would expect him to do impartially. The issue is not so much the judgement, as the wild inconsistancy.

[oneteam]

Stewart Loewe is not a member of either the MRP nor the Tribunal. In fact, as far I as can tell, no former St Kilda player has any role at all in the AFL or its bodies.

Wrong. Loewe has been a regular jury member since 2007.

[perfectionist]

... Loewe has been a regular jury member since 2007.

You are part right. I have eventually found the 2009 list,:

Match Review Panel

Chairman – Andrew McKay
244 matches, one premiership, best and fairest, captain,
Carlton.
Four-time All-Australian; represented South Australia on
six occasions.
Paul Broderick
262 matches Richmond and Fitzroy; best and fairest
Richmond.
Peter Carey
307 matches as a field umpire; All-Australian (1992),
four Grand Finals.

Tribunal

Chairman – David Jones
Retired County Court Judge.
Deputy Chairman – John Hassett
Retired County Court Judge.
Tribunal Jury Members
Emmett Dunne
129 matches with Richmond and Western Bulldogs;
premiership with Richmond; Tribunal member since 1996.
Richard Loveridge
136 matches and two premierships with Hawthorn.
Tribunal member since 1999.
Stewart Loewe
321 matches, best and fairest, captain, Team of the Century,
St Kilda. Three-time All-Australian. Tribunal Member
since 2005.
David Pittman
131 matches, two premierships, Adelaide. Five-time South
Australian representative. Tribunal Member since 2006.
Wayne Schimmelbusch
306 matches, captain, two premierships, Team of the
Century, former coach, Kangaroos. Tribunal Member since
2005.
Wayne Henwood
79 matches with Sydney and Melbourne, three-time Western
Australian representative, Tribunal Member since 2007.
Michael Sexton
200 matches, one premiership, Carlton. Two-time All-
Australian.
Tribunal Panel Members
Dr Susan White, Dr Andrew Garnham
Anti-Doping Code/Illicit Drug Policy jury appointees.

Appeals Board

Chairman – Peter O’Callaghan QC
Chairman since 1987.
Deputy Chairman – Brian Collis QC
Former AFL Tribunal Chairman (1998-2004).
Panel
Brian Bourke
AFL Life Member
Tribunal/Appeal Board member since 1976.
Michael Green
146 matches, four premierships, Richmond.
Tribunal/Appeal Board member since 1998.
John Schultz
188 matches, five best and fairests, 1960 Brownlow Medal,
Team of the Century, Western Bulldogs. Tribunal/Appeal Board member since 1969.

[oneteam]

perfectionist wrote:
Stewart Loewe is not a member of either the MRP nor the Tribunal. In fact, as far I as can tell, no former St Kilda player has any role at all in the AFL or its bodies.


oneteam wrote:
... Loewe has been a regular jury member since 2007.

perfectionist wrote:
You are part right.


Loewe has been a member of the tribunal since 2005.

So better to be part right like me, than be comletely wrong like you. Mate, change your name from perfectionist...

[perfectionist]

perfectionist wrote:
Stewart Loewe is not a member of either the MRP nor the Tribunal. In fact, as far I as can tell, no former St Kilda player has any role at all in the AFL or its bodies.


oneteam wrote:
... Loewe has been a regular jury member since 2007.

perfectionist wrote:
You are part right.


Loewe has been a member of the tribunal since 2005.

So better to be part right like me, than be comletely wrong like you.

Mate, change your name from perfectionist...

Striving, never achieving. At least, I took the time to do the research. It would be nice if the AFL site had easy links to such things, but it doesn't.

[To the top]

Interesting that they were reported as deliberating for 30 minutes, which is reportedly a very long time for such deliberations.

So can we speculate that it was a majority decision with the vote split 2 to 1?

If that is the case, a case could also be had that Loewe, as a former St Kilda player, would vote against the St Kilda FC preferred outcome because to do otherwise could raise accusations of bias.

"St Kilda player Dawson's charge was thrown out on the vote of former St Kilda player, Loewe, when the vote was deadlocked at one all and Loewe had the casting vote".

Simply, Loewe, as a former St Kilda player should never have been put in such a position.

Protocol in such matters is well established in other forums.

The AFL, and those associated with it, have never ever understood the "conflict of interest" issue.

Henwood is interesting. A "bruiser" of a player who played with Glenelg before being recruited by Sydney and having a short career with that club.

You could speculate that Henwood voted in favour of Dawson, the former North Melbourne player and coach against and "over to you Stewart".

And Stewart says, "I played for St Kilda so I had better not make a home town decision because it could be construed as reflecting bias".

"Guilty" on a 2 to 1 vote.

That would be my defence in prosecuting the matter further, that it was obviously a split vote (because of the time taken) and Loewe (and the process) was compromised because of Loewe's association with St Kilda.

The player has not received the benefit of due process and the ban is overturned.

[plugger66]

Interesting that they were reported as deliberating for 30 minutes, which is reportedly a very long time for such deliberations.

So can we speculate that it was a majority decision with the vote split 2 to 1?

If that is the case, a case could also be had that Loewe, as a former St Kilda player, would vote against the St Kilda FC preferred outcome because to do otherwise could raise accusations of bias.

"St Kilda player Dawson's charge was thrown out on the vote of former St Kilda player, Loewe, when the vote was deadlocked at one all and Loewe had the casting vote".

Simply, Loewe, as a former St Kilda player should never have been put in such a position.

Protocol in such matters is well established in other forums.

The AFL, and those associated with it, have never ever understood the "conflict of interest" issue.

Henwood is interesting. A "bruiser" of a player who played with Glenelg before being recruited by Sydney and having a short career with that club.

You could speculate that Henwood voted in favour of Dawson, the former North Melbourne player and coach against and "over to you Stewart".

And Stewart says, "I played for St Kilda so I had better not make a home town decision because it could be construed as reflecting bias".

"Guilty" on a 2 to 1 vote.

That would be my defence in prosecuting the matter further, that it was obviously a split vote (because of the time taken) and Loewe (and the process) was compromised because of Loewe's association with St Kilda.

The player has not received the benefit of due process and the ban is overturned.

Sounds like you know exactly what happened.

[stinger]

the question still remains...was loewe on that particular panel....

[To the top]

I think the speculation has a ring of credibility, Plugger.

A mate who umpired his son in under age cricket once told me that he had to tell his son that no matter the batsman was on the back foot, hit shin high in front of middle and comprehensively LBW, the batsman would not be given because the bowler was his son.

So his advice to his son was "get your wicket by either sending the stumps flying or having the batsman caught".

The son understood.