Is there any law against.......?

[Superboot]

....two players lifting another a metre or so in the air (as in a rugby union line out) in order to stop the ball going through for a goal?

If not, why hasn't this happened? Is it against the spirit of the game?

[saintsRrising]

Don't know...but you can bump within 5m....so it would be easy for opposition players to bump what would be an unstable set-up sending it tumbling.

[Enrico_Misso]

There was a match years ago in Qld (Cararra ?) where the Bulldogs had a shot at goal from the pocket (Simon Beasley?).
One Bear player on the goalline gave another a piggy-back.
It didn't impact the kick.
(And I can't remember if it missed).

But the AFL outlawed such piggy-backing.
So I assume that would also cover your scenario.

But I have often thought we should have a man on the line under the flight of the ball to act as a step ladder for leaping team-mate from behind.
That should be legal.

[Sunday Red]

Because to do this, you'd probably need three or four guys stationed on the goal line, leaving three or four opposition players unmarked for an easy set shot inside 50.

Plus, the fact you would be an absolute laughing stock if you didn't execute the move perfectly. Remember - these are set plays in rugby. The catcher knows the ball is being thrown to him while in AFL, it would be more hit & miss.

[Beno88]

We did it once in local footy, our ruckman had a teammate put his hands on his shoulders and boost himself up like you would for a hanger so he could punch the ball when the other team had a shot after the half time siren. He touched the ball and a point was paid, no free kick or anything else happened.

[saintsRrising]

Because to do this, you'd probably need three or four guys stationed on the goal line, leaving three or four opposition players unmarked for an easy set shot inside 50.
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Though for a shot after the siren...they could not pass.

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

The idea was suggested for boundary throw-ins a few years back, but it was quickly knocked on the head by the ALF, who said it was "not allowed", or words to that effect. The same may apply to the goal line.

[Superboot]

The scenario I had in mind was the classic of being 5 points in front in a GF with the final siren having sounded and the opposition having a set shot from just on 50.

Set shots from that distance often just sneak over the top of the pack standing on the goal line, and it does puzzle me that the lineout strategy hasn't been tried.

[goodie]

Yes there is, I was wondering the very same thing at the start of this year

[Saints-06-Premiers]

Lifting a player is a free kick under section 15.9.1 (c) page 56 of the Laws of the Game..... it reads:

a player has lifted a player or climbed on the shoulders of a player from the same team. This free kick shall be taken by a player from the opposing team where the infringement occured or where the ball is at the time of infringement, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending team.

[Superboot]

Lifting a player is a free kick under section 15.9.1 (c) page 56 of the Laws of the Game..... it reads:

a player has lifted a player or climbed on the shoulders of a player from the same team. This free kick shall be taken by a player from the opposing team where the infringement occured or where the ball is at the time of infringement, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending team.

Thanks for that. Seems to sort that one out!

Can such a free be paid if the offence takes place after the final siren has sounded? I suspect it can.

[skeptic]

i seem to recall that david parkin or maybe wayne brittain was looking to implement this strategy b4 they were forced to move on

[Beej]

Lifting a player is a free kick under section 15.9.1 (c) page 56 of the Laws of the Game..... it reads:

a player has lifted a player or climbed on the shoulders of a player from the same team. This free kick shall be taken by a player from the opposing team where the infringement occured or where the ball is at the time of infringement, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending team.

But we've all seen marks taken where a player has climbed all over his teammate to take the grab.

[Superboot]

I assume climbing means literally climbing up onto the shoulders.

Otherwise you could have 15 players forming a human pyramid, 5-4-3-2-1.

It would be around 9 metres high, with Yapper on the top.

[Saints-06-Premiers]

Lifting a player is a free kick under section 15.9.1 (c) page 56 of the Laws of the Game..... it reads:

a player has lifted a player or climbed on the shoulders of a player from the same team. This free kick shall be taken by a player from the opposing team where the infringement occured or where the ball is at the time of infringement, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending team.

Thanks for that. Seems to sort that one out!

Can such a free be paid if the offence takes place after the final siren has sounded? I suspect it can.

Yes, a free kick can be paid. If the goal is kicked it wouldn't matter, but if its not there would be a free kick paid directly in front of goal (if its inside the goal square).

The one thing i'm not sure about is if the goal would stand and another kick be taken (double goal)..... am yet to encounter climbing so not sure!

Anyone need any other rules cleared up?

[plugger66]

Lifting a player is a free kick under section 15.9.1 (c) page 56 of the Laws of the Game..... it reads:

a player has lifted a player or climbed on the shoulders of a player from the same team. This free kick shall be taken by a player from the opposing team where the infringement occured or where the ball is at the time of infringement, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending team.

Thanks for that. Seems to sort that one out!

Can such a free be paid if the offence takes place after the final siren has sounded? I suspect it can.

Yes, a free kick can be paid. If the goal is kicked it wouldn't matter, but if its not there would be a free kick paid directly in front of goal (if its inside the goal square).

The one thing i'm not sure about is if the goal would stand and another kick be taken (double goal)..... am yet to encounter climbing so not sure!

Anyone need any other rules cleared up?

Who get possession if the goal attack and goal defence grab the ball at the same time?

[Saints-06-Premiers]

Ball up. If exact possession isn't clear, the umpire will ball it up.

(Or I'd let them fight for it - if i could let that happen)

[perfectionist]

There was a match years ago in Qld (Cararra ?) where the Bulldogs had a shot at goal from the pocket (Simon Beasley?).
One Bear player on the goalline gave another a piggy-back.
It didn't impact the kick.
(And I can't remember if it missed)...

Round 7, 1988, after the final siren. Michael Richardson was the player on the shoulders of Matthew Campbell. Simon Beasley (in a bit of bother at the moment) needed a point to draw or a goal to win. He had kicked 7 for the day. He missed entirely and the Bears won by a point. The AFL changed the rules because of this event.

[plugger66]

There was a match years ago in Qld (Cararra ?) where the Bulldogs had a shot at goal from the pocket (Simon Beasley?).
One Bear player on the goalline gave another a piggy-back.
It didn't impact the kick.
(And I can't remember if it missed)...

Round 7, 1988, after the final siren. Michael Richardson was the player on the shoulders of Matthew Campbell. Simon Beasley (in a bit of bother at the moment) needed a point to draw or a goal to win. He had kicked 7 for the day. He missed entirely and the Bears won by a point. The AFL changed the rules because of this event.

it didnt help that 1000 people ran in front of him as he kicked it. When you look back how unprofessional was that.

[Beej]

Is there a rule against taking your boots off and throwing them towards a goal-bound footy in the hope of diverting it from its course?

[battye]

Are you allowed to, when taking a kick, run right up to the man on the mark and:

a) run/walk into them (and play on)
b) kick the ball into them (in the hope they will flinch and move out of the way)

And if so, why isn't this tactic used, especially if you were a long way out and wanted to gain a few extra metres

[plugger66]

Are you allowed to, when taking a kick, run right up to the man on the mark and:

a) run/walk into them
b) kick the ball into them

And if so, why isn't this tactic used, especially if you were a long way out and wanted to gain a few extra metres

You an definitely kick it into him but I am unsure how you gain extra ground compared to a 50 metre kick. You can also run walk into him but if he tackles you and you dont dispose of the ball correctly it is incorrect disposal.

[battye]

Are you allowed to, when taking a kick, run right up to the man on the mark and:

a) run/walk into them
b) kick the ball into them

And if so, why isn't this tactic used, especially if you were a long way out and wanted to gain a few extra metres

You an definitely kick it into him but I am unsure how you gain extra ground compared to a 50 metre kick. You can also run walk into him but if he tackles you and you dont dispose of the ball correctly it is incorrect disposal.

If you were within a metre or two of him and you're loading up to kick 50 odd metres, I reckon there's a good chance the bloke on the mark would move his hands from over his head to other areas of his body

Because he couldn't go over the mark to tackle you, his only options are to move back or to get out of the way (unless he's willing to take a hit for the team).

[plugger66]

Are you allowed to, when taking a kick, run right up to the man on the mark and:

a) run/walk into them
b) kick the ball into them

And if so, why isn't this tactic used, especially if you were a long way out and wanted to gain a few extra metres

You an definitely kick it into him but I am unsure how you gain extra ground compared to a 50 metre kick. You can also run walk into him but if he tackles you and you dont dispose of the ball correctly it is incorrect disposal.

If you were within a metre or two of him and you're loading up to kick 50 odd metres, I reckon there's a good chance the bloke on the mark would move his hands from over his head to other areas of his body

Because he couldn't go over the mark to tackle you, his only options are to move back or to get out of the way (unless he's willing to take a hit for the team).

I'm pretty sure with how footballers play for the team that they would just turn their body and cop it on the leg or body. I would also think all it would do is cause a fight between the 2 sides.

[Saints-06-Premiers]

Are you allowed to, when taking a kick, run right up to the man on the mark and:

a) run/walk into them
b) kick the ball into them

And if so, why isn't this tactic used, especially if you were a long way out and wanted to gain a few extra metres

You an definitely kick it into him but I am unsure how you gain extra ground compared to a 50 metre kick. You can also run walk into him but if he tackles you and you dont dispose of the ball correctly it is incorrect disposal.

If you were within a metre or two of him and you're loading up to kick 50 odd metres, I reckon there's a good chance the bloke on the mark would move his hands from over his head to other areas of his body

Because he couldn't go over the mark to tackle you, his only options are to move back or to get out of the way (unless he's willing to take a hit for the team).

Technically the man on the mark must have his hands straight up. You can't have your arms ahead of the mark. So technically if the player goes to smother it, its 50m. This rule was brought in a few years ago to stop players throwing grass at the player kicking. If the player gets that close to the mark, the umpire probably wouldn't pay a 50. I wouldn't anyway. It's a silly rule, unless they are throwing grass at the player you wouldn't pay (throwing boots would also be 50m penalty, though I don't think there is a specific rule.