Sponsors Raffle- McQualter-Tigers Game

[saintsRrising]

Who wins:

Prize 1/ Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team).

Prize 2/ St Kilda score at quarter time
Prize 3/ St Kilda score at half time
Prize 4/ St Kilda score at three quarter time

This is how the prize is determined (drawn) and not what the prize is.

[fingers]

If McGuire or King scores I will be amazed!

Eddie could get his phone-a-friend to do it for him, but Kingy i'll find it difficult from the stands.

Why did you change the spelling????

[St Fidelius]

As I stated I am more than happy to answer all questions put to me.

That's good, please answer mine

Do you have another question?

My reply to Iceman was that I do not know what the memorabilia is.

Was not his question the same as yours?

My question was this...

McQUALTER PLAYER SPONSOR DRAW

The prizes:

There are be 4 prizes available to be 'raffled off':-


1/ 1 x Framed memorabilia

2/ 2 x Tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game)

3/ 2 x Tickets to B&F

4/ Either of the following 2 options:-

3 x tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game) OR 1 x ticket to B&F (ie you pick one of these two options

Your raffle ticket:
Each share = one ticket
Each ticket has been randomized and then assigned two numbers.
To make it impartial:
First number applies if St Kilda scores the first goal of the St Kilda Tigers game.
Second number applies if Richmond scores the first goal.


Who wins:

Prize 1/ Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team).

Prize 2/ St Kilda score at quarter time
Prize 3/ St Kilda score at half time
Prize 4/ St Kilda score at three quarter time

Question...

Does prize number 1 Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team). = 1 x Framed memorabilia

Prize number 2 - 2 x Tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game) = St Kilda score at quarter time

and so forth ??

and no it was not the same question

[JT]

great system, zero chance of it being rigged.

Don't know who came up with it, but it was a greay idea!

[Launcestonsaint]

At the first bounce only 36 numbers will be in the running so a lot of sponsors know that they have no hope of getting 1st prize.
I sponsored the players to help the club so I don't really care if I win anything or not but to rule people out this early seems strange.

1/ You had the same chance as everyone else of getting a number that equates toa player that might kick a goal.

It was luck of the draw. Every draw has winners and losers....you obviously deem yourself as one of the losers of this first round.

Those that got 44 or 12 in the draw for StKilda rae probably delighted.


2/ Personally I do not rate the prize that is determined by the goal as the most valaubele...but some might.


Finally if I had used a hat there would be 96 tickets that miss out.

In this process.....there will still be 96 tickets that miss out.

All have had EXACTLY an equal chance of winning...both processes are exactly equal.


One process would have involved sat 5 people at Livewire watching tickets pulled from a hat..with most missing out from observing.

This process IMO involves more people.,,,,,and I might be completely wrong...but involves more "fun".

You obviously feel aggrieved believing wrongly that you have "missed" out...when in fact your number has already been drawn out of a "virtual' hat. You have actually already participated in the process that you have asked for...but are not happy because you are not one of the group you deem to be "winners".

That you did not get the result that you may have wished for is due to the luck of the draw.

As I mentioned I'm not sponsoring a player or players to get anything out of it. I'm just wanted for all people to have an even chance.
At the bounce of the first ball there are 36 numbers in with a chance. If there was a raffle drawer, everyone would have an even chance.
I'm just waiting for the complaints. Hopefully only from financial members.

[saintsRrising]

As I mentioned I'm not sponsoring a player or players to get anything out of it.

Sorry I am confused.

Are there two Launcestonsaints?

Launcestonsaint . .***.. 47 . .***.. 54

Is this not you?

I'm just wanted for all people to have an even chance.

You wish is granted. I am not sure how many times I have stated and restated that all shares have had exactly the same equal chance.

There has been a preliminary draw which has sorted one aspect of the draw with respect one of the four prizes.

The other 3 prizes are effectively all "straight " raffles.

The memorabilia is effectively a "sweep" where each person has a ticket in the sweep where it is true that some tickets are not going to win BUT where every shareholder had equal chance of getting a number.

But that is the nature of sweeps where most tickets are not likely to win.

At the bounce of the first ball there are 36 numbers in with a chance. If there was a raffle drawer, everyone would have an even chance.

ONCE AGAIN there has been a preliminary random draw which has assigned 100 numbers and everyone has had an equal chance.

Somewhere sometime in a raffle a number gets drawn!!!!!

In this case all 100 shares "won" a ticket.

As many shareholders actually have multiple share many would have a number of a ticket that would equate to a player who will play.

The two numbers that you have "won" in 47 and 54...were not so lucky. But draws are random and luck plays a part does it not?

I'm just waiting for the complaints. Hopefully only from financial members.

Out of interest why would you get a complaint..and secondly how and why would you be responsible for such a complaint?

As far as I am aware Mr Magic is the organiser of the SS Sponsorship, whereas you are one of the Mods who moderate the site.

I am not aware of you having any responsibility for the Sponsorship.

[saintsRrising]

As I stated I am more than happy to answer all questions put to me.

That's good, please answer mine

Do you have another question?

My reply to Iceman was that I do not know what the memorabilia is.

Was not his question the same as yours?

My question was this...

McQUALTER PLAYER SPONSOR DRAW

The prizes:

There are be 4 prizes available to be 'raffled off':-


1/ 1 x Framed memorabilia

2/ 2 x Tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game)

3/ 2 x Tickets to B&F

4/ Either of the following 2 options:-

3 x tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game) OR 1 x ticket to B&F (ie you pick one of these two options

Your raffle ticket:
Each share = one ticket
Each ticket has been randomized and then assigned two numbers.
To make it impartial:
First number applies if St Kilda scores the first goal of the St Kilda Tigers game.
Second number applies if Richmond scores the first goal.


Who wins:

Prize 1/ Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team).

Prize 2/ St Kilda score at quarter time
Prize 3/ St Kilda score at half time
Prize 4/ St Kilda score at three quarter time

Question...

Does prize number 1 Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team). = 1 x Framed memorabilia

Prize number 2 - 2 x Tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game) = St Kilda score at quarter time

and so forth ??

and no it was not the same question

On re-reading it it you have now quoted your question with a new line inserted which I have bolded.

The answer is yes. (note I originally thought that you were asking if the memorabilia was a framed jumper of the player).

[saintsRrising]

great system, zero chance of it being rigged.

Don't know who came up with it, but it was a greay idea!

Thank you...and it was me.

I thought it was a good way to do it as the 4 winners are clearly going to be determined by chance and so is truly impartial.

I also thought that adding in a Saints football theme would be appropriate and add a sense of fun appropriate to a St Kilda Football Team Forum.

I mean this way it is truly our team that is going to pick the winners.

[saintsRrising]

Launcestonsaint, you seem pretty fixated on Prize 1 rather that the whole draw as a totatility.

However pehaps please consider that the nature of the determination of the 4 prizes means that all tickets from 1 to 100 has a chance of winning a prize and so all tickets are live for the Tigers game.

And remember that the first draw ensures that all ticket numbers were randomly assigned and so hence all shareholders had a 100% equal chance of winning.

Without the first goal kicked Ticket holders of low numbers may have considered that their ticket could not win anything.

The other thing is that with the Team that kicks the first goal determining the Ticket order..of 1 to 100, or 100 to 1 that all tickets are essentially (except for prize 1 where some numbers will not be) live for all prizes when the ball is first bounced.

[Launcestonsaint]

I'm just waiting for the complaints. Hopefully only from financial members.

Out of interest why would you get a complaint..and secondly how and why would you be responsible for such a complaint?

Being a mod I've had a couple of questions asked already.
As you believe I am only looking after myself, I will pass on any prize I receive to my northern island colleague.
When somebody has a complaint on this site, who do they go to?

[Launcestonsaint]

As I mentioned I'm not sponsoring a player or players to get anything out of it.

Sorry I am confused.

Are there two Launcestonsaints?

Launcestonsaint . .***.. 47 . .***.. 54

Is this not you?

Yeah that is me as well a few other numbers.
My decision to sponsor a player had nothing at any stage to do with getting back something. I didn't demand to be in this competition.
When I made the decisions to donate $150 to this sites sponsorship it had nothing to do with winning anything.
I pay my membership directly to our club. I could get a local membership which is cheaper.

As previously stated, my concern is that some, who may not have visited this site in the last couple of days, could have problems with this system & make complaints.

[Mr Magic]

Why not just direct any complaints or queries straight to this thread?

[St Fidelius]

As I stated I am more than happy to answer all questions put to me.

That's good, please answer mine

Do you have another question?

My reply to Iceman was that I do not know what the memorabilia is.

Was not his question the same as yours?

My question was this...

McQUALTER PLAYER SPONSOR DRAW

The prizes:

There are be 4 prizes available to be 'raffled off':-


1/ 1 x Framed memorabilia

2/ 2 x Tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game)

3/ 2 x Tickets to B&F

4/ Either of the following 2 options:-

3 x tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game) OR 1 x ticket to B&F (ie you pick one of these two options

Your raffle ticket:
Each share = one ticket
Each ticket has been randomized and then assigned two numbers.
To make it impartial:
First number applies if St Kilda scores the first goal of the St Kilda Tigers game.
Second number applies if Richmond scores the first goal.


Who wins:

Prize 1/ Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team).

Prize 2/ St Kilda score at quarter time
Prize 3/ St Kilda score at half time
Prize 4/ St Kilda score at three quarter time

Question...

Does prize number 1 Number of jumper of the player from this game that kicks the first goal (can be a player from either team). = 1 x Framed memorabilia

Prize number 2 - 2 x Tickets to Match Day Experience (Crows Game) = St Kilda score at quarter time

and so forth ??

and no it was not the same question

On re-reading it it you have now quoted your question with a new line inserted which I have bolded.

The answer is yes. (note I originally thought that you were asking if the memorabilia was a framed jumper of the player).

Mate, that wasn't a new line, it was always there...

I did edit my original post and quoted your post that's all.

Anyway, you have answered the question, I just think what you have done with this makes it all the more enjoyable, I really like the idea.

I first posted about this because posters seemed to be so fixated on the player that kicks the first goal, thinking that it was 1st prize....

It is in fact prize number 1 and that is a signed memorabilia...

Anyway, I am glad that is sorted out.

[saintsRrising]

[When somebody has a complaint on this site, who do they go to?

I guess that it depends on what their complaint is.

If it is about the forum and breeches of the forum rules then the Mods would be a good start.

If it is about a another poster then I would always recommend that that poster first address the poster they are aggrieved and indicate why.

If it is about the raffle then here would be a good start...if it is about the Sponosrship then Mr Magic would bea good start.

If you have had a complaint about the raffle then I suggest you state what they are so that the issues can be addressed.


To date you have only raised that you think it is unfair, which is not true as every share has had exactly the same chance of winning and so is entirely fair.

[Launcestonsaint]

I don't know why the old method was changed.

As of now, I'll leave this thread alone.
Good luck to all.

[saintsRrising]

As previously stated, my concern is that some, who may not have visited this site in the last couple of days, could have problems with this system & make complaints.

Why not let forumites just post in this thread directly if they have a complaint or desire explanation?

[Stillwaiting]

HMMM, by my reckoning is should be happy with NDS to kick first goal

[saintsRrising]

HMMM, by my reckoning is should be happy with NDS to kick first goal

If that is the prize you prefer.

Or you might prefer that the Saints are 26 at quarter time?????

All depends which of the 4 prizes you most fancy.

[Stillwaiting]

HMMM, by my reckoning is should be happy with NDS to kick first goal

If that is the prize you prefer.

Or you might prefer that the Saints are 26 at quarter time?????

All depends which of the 4 prizes you most fancy.

ok now i follow, any would be just fine, just hope it leds to W number 13

[IluvHarvey]

Personally I would like to thank saintsRrising for organising this (not having a go at anyone who is unhappy). To run something like this you are always going to have unhappy campers but good work sRr. I don't envy anyone trying to run any comp on this forum with so many different views and ideas. Go Tom Lynch for first Goal!!!

[Stillwaiting]

Personally I would like to thank saintsRrising for organising this (not having a go at anyone who is unhappy). To run something like this you are always going to have unhappy campers but good work sRr. I don't envy anyone trying to run any comp on this forum with so many different views and ideas. Go Tom Lynch for first Goal!!!

Agree 100%, this is an extra bonus for a small donation to the saints
thanks for the effort

[matrix]

im not in this one as i was in the last one (and also wasnt about online when this one was organized).
i think its great that the organizers get all this ready and put time and effort into this......u know who u are.
but,

seriously when it comes to money people dont want f****** about.
eveyones names written on paper, they get placed in a hat, someone neutral draws them out, and someone videos the whole thing on their phone and youtubes it...
dont take that as a knock to all the work the organizers have done....im actually thinking along the same lines as Launcestonsaint and can see their point.
good luck to all.

oh and roo will kick the first and we'll win by 46

[GrumpyOne]

FWIW, I trust you guys.

Be happy with all names in a hat.

Still, might add some excitement to the draw.

[saintsRrising]

FWIW, I trust you guys.

.

No need...it is the two teams that are picking the winners.

Whereas if I was drawing a raffle...who knows I might have a fake ticket up my sleeve

Or with the YouTube Video...I could have re-shot it and the drawn again and again till the "right" ticket came out...and just posted the "final' one.

[St Fidelius]

FWIW, I trust you guys.

.

No need...it is the two teams that are picking the winners.

Whereas if I was drawing a raffle...who knows I might have a fake ticket up my sleeve

Or with the YouTube Video...I could have re-shot it and the drawn again and again till the "right" ticket came out...and just posted the "final' one.

exactly ....

I just love the way this has been drawn, it is open to all to view and is uncompromising.....

Just brilliant, and well thought out

Cheers