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saint66au wrote:...I say four goals tops..what say you?
Four? Gee that's big of you. So far this year, Fev has kicked 39 goals in 11 games - average 3.5 - against almost all of the teams we have beaten. And yet, in a pathetic attempt to play Max at any cost, you are willing to concede 4 goals before you think he might not be that greatest full back of the century.
If he is such a "gun", and given that no-one disagrees that he is a one trick pony in that he can only punch and produce a problem that someone else has to deal with, I should say 2. But I will give you 3 - a figure that no backman has conceded so far this year and may well lead to our defeat, a result supporters of Max seemingly are quite happy to see as long as he plays.
Obviously Hudghton refused to sign your Knickers at a hens night or something? but i digress.
I also think that we are out of balance and that we are to tall/immobile down back, I beleive that we cannot have Max Dawson Blake and Gilbert in the same side, at this stage Gilbert is automatic and Dawson has been next best, which means either Max or Blake has to go. I suspect that the best way to judge form head to head is to see them both in the same side, furthermore Max played his first game last week and it would be premature to drop him based on one game.
You must remember that what we are playing now is a rehersal for September, very important to pick your best side every week but also important to learn everything you need to know about every player.
IMO I hope that Dawson Max Goose Fisher Gilbert and Baker are our best back 6 come September. Time will tell.
saint66au wrote:...I say four goals tops..what say you?
Four? Gee that's big of you. So far this year, Fev has kicked 39 goals in 11 games - average 3.5 - against almost all of the teams we have beaten. And yet, in a pathetic attempt to play Max at any cost, you are willing to concede 4 goals before you think he might not be that greatest full back of the century.
If he is such a "gun", and given that no-one disagrees that he is a one trick pony in that he can only punch and produce a problem that someone else has to deal with, I should say 2. But I will give you 3 - a figure that no backman has conceded so far this year and may well lead to our defeat, a result supporters of Max seemingly are quite happy to see as long as he plays.
"A punch that produces a problem that someone has to deal with"..thats a new name for an effective spoil is it??
What about fulbacks that, when kicking out from goal just chip 20m into the pocket? Thats often described as just pasing the responsibilty for clearing defence onto someone else, yet every team does it
OK..7 it is...and I agree..if he does kick 7 it will be a close game...and if he kicks them all on Max then I will admit that he's had a poor night...but..if he does as I suspect and completely blankets Fev..will you then admit that there might be still a bit of life in the old dog yet???
saint66au wrote:...I say four goals tops..what say you?
Four? Gee that's big of you. So far this year, Fev has kicked 39 goals in 11 games - average 3.5 - against almost all of the teams we have beaten. And yet, in a pathetic attempt to play Max at any cost, you are willing to concede 4 goals before you think he might not be that greatest full back of the century.
If he is such a "gun", and given that no-one disagrees that he is a one trick pony in that he can only punch and produce a problem that someone else has to deal with, I should say 2. But I will give you 3 - a figure that no backman has conceded so far this year and may well lead to our defeat, a result supporters of Max seemingly are quite happy to see as long as he plays.
Obviously Hudghton refused to sign your Knickers at a hens night or something? but i digress.
I also think that we are out of balance and that we are to tall/immobile down back, I beleive that we cannot have Max Dawson Blake and Gilbert in the same side, at this stage Gilbert is automatic and Dawson has been next best, which means either Max or Blake has to go. I suspect that the best way to judge form head to head is to see them both in the same side, furthermore Max played his first game last week and it would be premature to drop him based on one game.
You must remember that what we are playing now is a rehersal for September, very important to pick your best side every week but also important to learn everything you need to know about every player.
IMO I hope that Dawson Max Goose Fisher Gilbert and Baker are our best back 6 come September. Time will tell.
You do not want Blake but you want Goose. Wouldnt that make us even less mobile. I reckon the Goose is cooked unless there are injuries or poor form.
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saint66au wrote:...I say four goals tops..what say you?
Four? Gee that's big of you. So far this year, Fev has kicked 39 goals in 11 games - average 3.5 - against almost all of the teams we have beaten. And yet, in a pathetic attempt to play Max at any cost, you are willing to concede 4 goals before you think he might not be that greatest full back of the century.
If he is such a "gun", and given that no-one disagrees that he is a one trick pony in that he can only punch and produce a problem that someone else has to deal with, I should say 2. But I will give you 3 - a figure that no backman has conceded so far this year and may well lead to our defeat, a result supporters of Max seemingly are quite happy to see as long as he plays.
Obviously Hudghton refused to sign your Knickers at a hens night or something? but i digress.
I also think that we are out of balance and that we are to tall/immobile down back, I beleive that we cannot have Max Dawson Blake and Gilbert in the same side, at this stage Gilbert is automatic and Dawson has been next best, which means either Max or Blake has to go. I suspect that the best way to judge form head to head is to see them both in the same side, furthermore Max played his first game last week and it would be premature to drop him based on one game.
You must remember that what we are playing now is a rehersal for September, very important to pick your best side every week but also important to learn everything you need to know about every player.
IMO I hope that Dawson Max Goose Fisher Gilbert and Baker are our best back 6 come September. Time will tell.
You do not want Blake but you want Goose. Wouldnt that make us even less mobile. I reckon the Goose is cooked unless there are injuries or poor form.
I would not cook the Goose 3 months before real time. He will be there in the finals IMO.
saint66au wrote:...I say four goals tops..what say you?
Four? Gee that's big of you. So far this year, Fev has kicked 39 goals in 11 games - average 3.5 - against almost all of the teams we have beaten. And yet, in a pathetic attempt to play Max at any cost, you are willing to concede 4 goals before you think he might not be that greatest full back of the century.
If he is such a "gun", and given that no-one disagrees that he is a one trick pony in that he can only punch and produce a problem that someone else has to deal with, I should say 2. But I will give you 3 - a figure that no backman has conceded so far this year and may well lead to our defeat, a result supporters of Max seemingly are quite happy to see as long as he plays.
Obviously Hudghton refused to sign your Knickers at a hens night or something? but i digress.
I also think that we are out of balance and that we are to tall/immobile down back, I beleive that we cannot have Max Dawson Blake and Gilbert in the same side, at this stage Gilbert is automatic and Dawson has been next best, which means either Max or Blake has to go. I suspect that the best way to judge form head to head is to see them both in the same side, furthermore Max played his first game last week and it would be premature to drop him based on one game.
You must remember that what we are playing now is a rehersal for September, very important to pick your best side every week but also important to learn everything you need to know about every player.
IMO I hope that Dawson Max Goose Fisher Gilbert and Baker are our best back 6 come September. Time will tell.
You do not want Blake but you want Goose. Wouldnt that make us even less mobile. I reckon the Goose is cooked unless there are injuries or poor form.
agree, I really cant see a spot for Goose ATM unless there are injuries
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
saint66au wrote:...I say four goals tops..what say you?
Four? Gee that's big of you. So far this year, Fev has kicked 39 goals in 11 games - average 3.5 - against almost all of the teams we have beaten. And yet, in a pathetic attempt to play Max at any cost, you are willing to concede 4 goals before you think he might not be that greatest full back of the century.
If he is such a "gun", and given that no-one disagrees that he is a one trick pony in that he can only punch and produce a problem that someone else has to deal with, I should say 2. But I will give you 3 - a figure that no backman has conceded so far this year and may well lead to our defeat, a result supporters of Max seemingly are quite happy to see as long as he plays.
Obviously Hudghton refused to sign your Knickers at a hens night or something? but i digress.
I also think that we are out of balance and that we are to tall/immobile down back, I beleive that we cannot have Max Dawson Blake and Gilbert in the same side, at this stage Gilbert is automatic and Dawson has been next best, which means either Max or Blake has to go. I suspect that the best way to judge form head to head is to see them both in the same side, furthermore Max played his first game last week and it would be premature to drop him based on one game.
You must remember that what we are playing now is a rehersal for September, very important to pick your best side every week but also important to learn everything you need to know about every player.
IMO I hope that Dawson Max Goose Fisher Gilbert and Baker are our best back 6 come September. Time will tell.
You do not want Blake but you want Goose. Wouldnt that make us even less mobile. I reckon the Goose is cooked unless there are injuries or poor form.
Didnt say I was right, just what i hope for, right now Max is not sure with his hands or playing very mobile, if he gets in good form he is very flexible and can play any position in the back 6, That would leave Zac as genuine FB and Goose a genuine CHB, Blake is not this. Goose is not as clumsy and is a better kick IMO. Fisher and Gilbert can play short or tall and Baker gives us heart and courage and a second tagging option without losing a midfielder from the rotations.
that's a pretty big backline! this is pretty extreme, admittedly, but not many saints are automatic choices for the small back position. bakes, obviously, will probably play back there, but there aren't heaps of other options.
that's a pretty big backline! this is pretty extreme, admittedly, but not many saints are automatic choices for the small back position. bakes, obviously, will probably play back there, but there aren't heaps of other options.
hence why dempster will be an auto selection once he gets a month of footy under his belt. Is one of the few that can play small. Personally I think blake is the odd one out but baker is also under pressure as he can be found out overhead.
I can understand that blake will give us flexibility to push big ben forward or gards. We will learn alot from this game
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Gwilt was not dropped because he played badly.
He was dropped because someone else was considered to be a better option for the team.
He would be playing this round at 14 other clubs.
There are few other players on our list in the same situation.
Virtually never does a team ever get to play their best 22.
Best 22 is an unrealistic dream, not reality.
I prefer to think in terms of best 30, as a measure of a team.
This is close to St Kilda's best, because there are few players unavailable.
The quality players who are not in the present team are valuable because they provide insurance should some player in the team become unavailable due to injury or suspension.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
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ace wrote:Gwilt was not dropped because he played badly.
He was dropped because someone else was considered to be a better option for the team.
He would be playing this round at 14 other clubs.
There are few other players on our list in the same situation.
Virtually never does a team ever get to play their best 22.
Best 22 is an unrealistic dream, not reality.
I prefer to think in terms of best 30, as a measure of a team.
This is close to St Kilda's best, because there are few players unavailable.
The quality players who are not in the present team are valuable because they provide insurance should some player in the team become unavailable due to injury or suspension.
good sensible post
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As already mentioned, we are putting in our best side..so it amazes me that so many are worried about tomorrow night.
Let's face it people if we can't beat the cheating rabble tomorrow night then what hope do we have against a real side?
They are only a threat against honest competition not against talent, looking forward to the win....again.
It looks a strong side......possible tad concerned about Baker speed match up with Betts (should he take him) as Betts has carved us up previously amd kicked some real momentum goals (seems to kick the obligatory boundary line goal everytime he plays us...).
Te outs IMO shouldnt really hurt us - even from a structure perspective.
Raph - has been ordinary lets be honest.
Gwilt - ok in patches but that would be all.
The replacements - (king aside) Gilbert for Raph down back is obvious and Milne for Gwilt up fwd is obvious....ironically Milne gives them a tough match up IMO.
hence why dempster will be an auto selection once he gets a month of footy under his belt. Is one of the few that can play small. Personally I think blake is the odd one out but baker is also under pressure as he can be found out overhead.
dempster's 191cm - taller than blake. replace blake with dempster and the average height of the six is up to 191.8cm.
i agree, though, that dempster can play on smalls. but i think max also can play on all but the most tricky smalls. s fisher and gilbert i'm not so sure about. generally they seem to get beaten on little men, or at least lose a lot of their run.
hence why dempster will be an auto selection once he gets a month of footy under his belt. Is one of the few that can play small. Personally I think blake is the odd one out but baker is also under pressure as he can be found out overhead.
dempster's 191cm - taller than blake. replace blake with dempster and the average height of the six is up to 191.8cm.
i agree, though, that dempster can play on smalls. but i think max also can play on all but the most tricky smalls. s fisher and gilbert i'm not so sure about. generally they seem to get beaten on little men, or at least lose a lot of their run.
go back and have a look at TTT's article on the 191cm+ ross lyon backline. The guy likes coaching a tallish backline. Dempster plays short, blake plays tall.
Can neil reinvent himself again?
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hence why dempster will be an auto selection once he gets a month of footy under his belt. Is one of the few that can play small. Personally I think blake is the odd one out but baker is also under pressure as he can be found out overhead.
dempster's 191cm - taller than blake. replace blake with dempster and the average height of the six is up to 191.8cm.
i agree, though, that dempster can play on smalls. but i think max also can play on all but the most tricky smalls. s fisher and gilbert i'm not so sure about. generally they seem to get beaten on little men, or at least lose a lot of their run.
not so...blake and dempster are both 191 cm.........
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He will also rotate thru the midfield making him more versatile than Gwilt.
Compared to Gwilt he is:
* a better kick at goal
* a better mark
* wins more ball
* has superb football judgement
While BJ is good down back...Gilberta nd Sam will give us plenty of run and attack from there.
Gwilt has been given a good long run by RL to "grow" into beinga HFF...and has done ok-ish rather than well.
BJ asa HFF will demand plenty of attention which will free up Roo and Kosi...for the opposition will double team them at it's peril. J is probably the best kick at goal in the team and if played there regularly I would expect him to kick a lot more goals than Gwilt has.
As a cameo forward BJ has 11 goals ...making him our fifth highest goal scorer after Scchneider on 15.
By comparison Gwilt who has played a lot more time up forward has only 5 goals and is in twelfth place.
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that's a pretty big backline! this is pretty extreme, admittedly, but not many saints are automatic choices for the small back position. bakes, obviously, will probably play back there, but there aren't heaps of other options.
Goddard will play forward and I reckon Fisher may head further into the midfield or up forward too at times
HarveysDeciple wrote:Amazed Carlton omitted Brad Fisher. he is a very good player.
Glad he isn't there.
Not sure about a very good player, but IMO he is pretty important to their structure. He really gives a solid lead-up option around the ground for them, which allows Fevola to stick within their F50. Tends to find a lot of the ball, but doesn't consistently hurt on the scoreboard. On the other hand, I think he is a handy omission for us, as it will free our Fisher up to play loose.
that's a pretty big backline! this is pretty extreme, admittedly, but not many saints are automatic choices for the small back position. bakes, obviously, will probably play back there, but there aren't heaps of other options.
Goddard will play forward and I reckon Fisher may head further into the midfield or up forward too at times
no problem with that so long it doesn't leave us light on for creative run and attack out of a backline that contains max, blake and dawson (a lesser offender).
All the people who said Gwilt would be dropped for a fit Milne were right, so I stand corrected.
I will point out though - it's an interesting precedent. The first time this year that any from the R1 starting 22 has been dropped for performance rather than injury or suspension.
but who else would you have dropped for milne to come back in. can't drop az mid or a backman which leave only a forward, it would then have to be schneider, mcqualter, geary, but those three are doing better than gwilt and as long, as gwilt understands why he was dropped that should be ok for later in the year if there are more injuries.
saint66au wrote:OK..7 it is...and I agree..if he does kick 7 it will be a close game...and if he kicks them all on Max then I will admit that he's had a poor night...but..if he does as I suspect and completely blankets Fev..will you then admit that there might be still a bit of life in the old dog yet???
You are now conceding 7 goals to Fev with Max on him before you declare it a bad night! That's confidence for you. As I have said in my previous post, no opposition player has kicked more than 3 goals against us in any game this year. Fevola's average is 3.5 goals per game and there have been four games when he has kicked one or none, all against teams we have thrashed. And yet you now want 7, up from 4 in your previous post, before Max has a bad game!
If Max plays on Fev and keeps him to 3, I'll be satisfied. But as I have said repeatedly, it's the consequences of Max's one dimensional play that are just as concerning as the number of goals his direct opponent kicks. We saw the spectacle last week of Sam Fisher emulating the "Max Special", a two fisted punch away when he was on his own and could easily have taken the mark. Max "invented" this novel approach a number of years ago and it has clearly influenced the play of others on the backline where Max is supposed to be a leader. I note that this approach from our backs was singularly lacking in the first ten games this year when players trusted their instincts and went for the mark (not always taking it, but they must continue to try). Max is in no position to offer anyone advice on this issue.
Max is 32, and to continue your metphor, you can't teach old dogs new tricks. I hope for the team's sake that he plays a blinder. My guess is, if he starts on Fevola, he won't stay there long.
