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Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
Agree 100% on this.St DAC wrote:Sorry Fid, I don't agree. I've never given my seat to another, but I paid for it, and will if I want to. If the club don't like it too bad, their non transferrable rules notwithstanding. That seat is paid for for 16 games. It'll be filled by whoever I want (so far, and for the forseeable future, always me).St Fidelius wrote:You lot that do this are simply ripping off the Club
St Fidelius wrote:On one occasion I gave two seats away to an admin on this site (my son was not well and my wife stayed home)...
He sat there and never even said thanks....
I will NEVER do it again, not for the fact that this mod/admin considered that it was his right and never bothered to thank me, but it is really ripping the Club off.
If you want a seat BUY a reserved seat, how basic is that
I pay decent money for three reserved seats and again they are NON TRANSFERABLE....
Don't rip off the Club either get in early or purchase reserved seats...
Pretty simple really...
DON'T RIP OUR CLUB OFF!
I also thought Lvl 1, Aisle 36/37 was Social CLub reserved seats?spyglass wrote:Eastern, the OP said aisles 36/37, but your latest post says the social club area. I thought the social club area was aisles 18/22 ish. If it was aisles 36/37 that these people were in then my understanding is that the stadium can sell any unsold seats in this area.
I did NOT give my ticket to others, it was requested by another admin that this admin and friend sit on those two vacant seats, but NEVER again...Spinner wrote:St Fidelius wrote:On one occasion I gave two seats away to an admin on this site (my son was not well and my wife stayed home)...
He sat there and never even said thanks....
I will NEVER do it again, not for the fact that this mod/admin considered that it was his right and never bothered to thank me, but it is really ripping the Club off.
If you want a seat BUY a reserved seat, how basic is that
I pay decent money for three reserved seats and again they are NON TRANSFERABLE....
Don't rip off the Club either get in early or purchase reserved seats...
Pretty simple really...
DON'T RIP OUR CLUB OFF!
The club has not problem ripping us off.
And on a more specific note, the back of my card does not state "Non-transferable except for circumstance where St. Fid feels like giving his tickets to others'.
You can't bat for both teams - so don't act like you do.
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
How boring! You might as watch it on tele.saint66au wrote: Snoops is right..many members buy reserved seats to avoid opposition fans. I know I do. Id be mightily peeved if a Saints member let his seat be used by a opposition fan anywhere near me.
Its all about respecting the people you sit around. Fortuanately on the MW we are a large group who pretty much all knew each other well before part of it was made reserved seating. Not only do people not bring oppostion friends, many people wont evne bring oppo fans into the GA areas...both out of respect to fellow Wingers..and because it wouldnt really be a pleasant place for oppo fans to watch the game!!!
Mr Magic wrote:This discussion has raised a really interesting question for me.
Does the 'NON-TRANSFERABLE' printed on my Membership Card apply to the actual Membership Card, the Reserved Seat or both?
I know for a fact that in previous years when the President used to host a lunch/dinner, his guests were given seats within the Social Club area on L2 to view the game. These guests varied from match to match and therefore the seats were used by different people each game.
Telstra Dome sells Access1 seats on L2 to individuals and Corporates who can use them for any game at TD (I'm not calling it the new name) so therefore those seats are obviously transferable.
The Medallion Club seats are similar to Access1 seats in that they are fully transferable.
My best guess therefore (and I'm not a lawyer) is that the Membership Card is 'not transferable' and the purchase of the Reserved Seat gives that Member the right to that seat for the game.
BUT if another person uses his/her membership to enter the ground (or buys a daily ticket) then the nominal Reserved Seat Holder can allow the other person the use of the seat.
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
Mr Magic wrote:Actually, I'm not sure you're costing the Club anything?
How's this for an example?
I can buy a general admission (GA) ticket without a reserved seat attached to it.
If my mate has 2 reserved seats (1 for him and 1 for his missus) then the Club has collected the money for both seats whether anybody uses them or not.
If my mate lets me use his seat, how has the Club lost anything?
They've been paid for the seat and I've purchased the GA ticket.
What about the scenario where I have seats on L2 adn some of my seats aren't being used because some of the seatholders are playing footy during our daytime games. Why shouldn't I let some of my friends who also have seats, but in worse positions, use my spares for the day?
Turn this s*** up.St Fidelius wrote:Mr Magic wrote:This discussion has raised a really interesting question for me.
Does the 'NON-TRANSFERABLE' printed on my Membership Card apply to the actual Membership Card, the Reserved Seat or both?
I know for a fact that in previous years when the President used to host a lunch/dinner, his guests were given seats within the Social Club area on L2 to view the game. These guests varied from match to match and therefore the seats were used by different people each game.
Telstra Dome sells Access1 seats on L2 to individuals and Corporates who can use them for any game at TD (I'm not calling it the new name) so therefore those seats are obviously transferable.
The Medallion Club seats are similar to Access1 seats in that they are fully transferable.
My best guess therefore (and I'm not a lawyer) is that the Membership Card is 'not transferable' and the purchase of the Reserved Seat gives that Member the right to that seat for the game.
BUT if another person uses his/her membership to enter the ground (or buys a daily ticket) then the nominal Reserved Seat Holder can allow the other person the use of the seat.
yes I would suggest both...
The - NON TRANSFERABLE, on the back of members cards would have to include reserved seats...
My family has this printed on the back of our membership..NON-TRANSFERSABLE, to me it's pretty basic....
Pay up ! and not wine about the clubs finances, I would bet some on here complain about the Clubs profits and yet "free load" on some seats that are meant to be reserved.
BY A RESERVED SEAT AND STOP RIPPING OFF THE CLUB!
This is directed to the wingers and wingers that are habitual complainants..
BUY A FLOWERING MEMBERSHIP AND A RESERVED SEAT!
Otherwise you wont be getting any more freebies from me...
(again, it happened the once and never again)
BUY A RESERVED SEAT AND STOP RIPPING OFF THE CLUB !!!!!
benengel14 wrote:I can't believe this attitude. And the fact that you'd report another member is disgraceful unless there was abusive or threatening behaviour on their behalf.
I simply can't understand how anyone on this forum would be championing the strict legal terms and conditions of memberships when it lowers the value of the membership.
I can understand from a club/stadium perspective - increased gate receipts. But surely us supporters can understand the benefits of being able to bring other non-reserved seat people to sit next to each other?
Issue 1: Presence of Opposition - The opposition is as much part of football as the umpires, oval and players. None of them are going anywhere. Get use to it.
I can fully understand if there is abusive behavior from other supporters in which case there are appropriate channels.
Issue 2: This almost "en-masse migration" fear of opposition supporters infiltrating our safehavens. At most 1 of every 500/1000 seats an invited opposition supporter sits. And so far every opposition supporter I've seen in our aisle has done nothing more than barrack for their side.
Issue 3: The lost revenue. How do you know if those opposition supporters haven't paid their admittance? In the past I've paid Gen Admin, and then been invited by Opposition reserved seat holders to sit in their unoccupied seats.
This topic seems to have rasied a few scenarios - Those who are in favour of enforcing the strict T&C of membership could perhaps tell me which of the following they deem non-offensive.
Scenario 1: Reserved Seat (RS) brings st kilda supporting 11-game member to sit in his non-occupied seat.
Scenario 2: RS brings st kilda supporter to sit in his non-occupied seat who has brought a GA ticket to sit in his non-occupied seat.
Scenario 3: RS brings st kilda supporter who has not paid for admission to sit in his non-occupied seat.
Scenario 4: RS brings neutral supporter (barracks for neither) who has paid for GA admission, to sit in his non-occupied seat.
Scenario 5: RS brings neutral supporter who has NOT paid for GA admission to sit in his non-occupied seat.
Scenario 6: RS brings opposition supporter who has paid for GA admission, to sit in his non-occupied seat.
Scenario 7: RS brings opposition supporter who has NOT paid for admission to sit in his non-occupied seat.
(Non-occupied seat = additional membership purchased, but cardholder not able to attend).
(GA = General Admission, or equivalent level 3 ticket in event of ticketed matches)
To those who are starting this grass roots campaign to destroy the value of reserved seat holders by emailing club officials/stadium, and to those that sympathise with them - please outline which scenarios you would accept.
And outline what investigatory powers you have exercised, and those that you expect the TD/ES staff to exercise in assessing which scenario it is. Based on the fact that our club struggles to send out membership packs on time, and the 14 day lead-in time to get a membership pack guaranteed before game day - Photo ID would be a feat impossible for this club to achieve - for which I'm thankful.
Should you find yourself in the position of finding any one scenario acceptable - then you should consider your efforts in direct contravention to this. And perhaps you can explain why you want to be responsible for preventing members enjoying this freedom.
