noddy sheahan's top 50...

[stinger]

Te trouble on here is that when a list like this is published..if less than 40% of the players arent St Kilda ppl have a sook..cos weve won the last 4 flags of course

Just for the record IMHO, Dale Thomas I think is actually a better player than Leigh Montagna right now....there, lynch me cos I put a Collingwood player in front of a St Kilda one..heresy

your opinion.......you are allowed one.......


joey had more kicks than anybody else in the competition last year......to me he is far more valuable than thomas......my opinion....i'm allowed one too.......


as a wise sammy newman once said....opinions are like arseholes........everybody has one.....even plugger.....

[Enrico_Misso]

Agree Ball has to earn his way back in there.

But Hayes should be a monty.
And Monty should be in as well.

[stinger]

from noddy's blog......


..[Comment From wayne clothier]
"luke ball , lenny hayes mike once again you lay the boots in on the saints and fevola ahead of reiwoldt your joking right ?
3:33
Hayes is stiff. He has a great work ethic, but doesn't kick enough goals _ five from 24 games last year. I've hardly snubbed Nick at No. 8. Fevola did kick 99 goals from 22 games last year compared to Riewoldt's 65 from 24."

[JABBER]

what a joke having Judd at no.2
I am glad we picked up Ball in that draft
judd plays for himself Ball plays for team
lenny hayes is clearly in the top 20 players
Goddard should be in top 40 players

[Saints Premiers 2008]

what a joke having Judd at no.2
I am glad we picked up Ball in that draft
judd plays for himself Ball plays for team
lenny hayes is clearly in the top 20 players
Goddard should be in top 40 players

you wouldnt say judd plays for himself if he was still at the eagles

fact is he plays exactly the same at the blues as he did at the eagles

amazingly well...premiership winning well

[plugger66]

what a joke having Judd at no.2
I am glad we picked up Ball in that draft
judd plays for himself Ball plays for team
lenny hayes is clearly in the top 20 players
Goddard should be in top 40 players

You may be happy to have Bally but if it is on pure football ability you must be joking. Please explain how Judd plays for himself. Gets it and gives it off or receives it. Sounds pretty much like most great players.

[Armoooo]

Judd is a fantastic player no doubt but IMO he has fallen so far behind Gablett it's not even funny.

I would have thought Riewoldt is number 2, Fisher top 20, Lenny top 30, Goddard top 40 and nobody else in the top 50.

However if I were to do it by what I'm expecting of them this year I would have Goddard top 10.

[sainter35]

Judd is a fantastic player no doubt but IMO he has fallen so far behind Gablett it's not even funny.

I would have thought Riewoldt is number 2, Fisher top 20, Lenny top 30, Goddard top 40 and nobody else in the top 50.

However if I were to do it by what I'm expecting of them this year I would have Goddard top 10.

I don't think even the most biased St Kilda supporter would have Riewoldt in front of Ablett Jnr and Franklin.

Personally I'd love to see Nick kick 75-80 goals and I think we need that for our team to take the next step but on the other hand you've got some people on here who think our midfield is too Riewoldt conscious. I agree that we need a greater spread of goal kickers but Nick is the best overhead mark of the game and has amazing remarkable endurance. We need even more goals from him in 2009 to take that next step. And if he does that, we won't be complaining about him being #8 on Mike's list at the end of the year.

[Winmarvellous]

what a joke having Judd at no.2
I am glad we picked up Ball in that draft
judd plays for himself Ball plays for team

Seriously? Thank god you don't run the Saints in ANY offical capacity. I'm a LUke Ball fan, but that statement is just plain stupid. Fevola definitely deserves to be ahead of Roo, as forwards are paid to KICK GOALS. Goddard was hard done by I think, and may be a darkhorse for the Brownlow if he continues on from last year. Every year people get excited by the premiership team, hence eveyone employing the so-called rolling zone. Has everyone forgotten just how good Geelong were last year, and if they had've kicked straight, probably would've won back-to-back? The fact Jimmy Bartell isn't in the top 5 is my biggest concern.

[Armoooo]

Judd is a fantastic player no doubt but IMO he has fallen so far behind Gablett it's not even funny.

I would have thought Riewoldt is number 2, Fisher top 20, Lenny top 30, Goddard top 40 and nobody else in the top 50.

However if I were to do it by what I'm expecting of them this year I would have Goddard top 10.

I don't think even the most biased St Kilda supporter would have Riewoldt in front of Ablett Jnr and Franklin.

Personally I'd love to see Nick kick 75-80 goals and I think we need that for our team to take the next step but on the other hand you've got some people on here who think our midfield is too Riewoldt conscious. I agree that we need a greater spread of goal kickers but Nick is the best overhead mark of the game and has amazing remarkable endurance. We need even more goals from him in 2009 to take that next step. And if he does that, we won't be complaining about him being #8 on Mike's list at the end of the year.

I said Roo would be number 2, behind Gablett.

IMO it would go Gablett, Riewoldt, Cox, Hodge, Bartel, Pavlich, Franklin

Riewoldt won more games off his own performances than any other player, no team was carried by their captain as much as St Kilda in 2008. For the second half of the year Riewoldt was the BEST player in the league, howver Ablett still deserves the number one title due to his dominance over the past two years.

[Mr Magic]

I'm a little confused with the argument that Reiwoldt needs to kick more goals to be in front of Fevola?

Fevola plays FF, Reiwoldt plays CHF.

Surely wre not suggesting that a CHF's goals should be near the total of a FF?

If we're using this criteria then why shouldn't Milne be ahead of Cyril Rioli or any other small forward based on his goal tally last season?

[Saints43]

I'm a little confused with the argument that Reiwoldt needs to kick more goals to be in front of Fevola?

Fevola plays FF, Reiwoldt plays CHF.

Surely wre not suggesting that a CHF's goals should be near the total of a FF?

If we're using this criteria then why shouldn't Milne be ahead of Cyril Rioli or any other small forward based on his goal tally last season?

I was wondering how long the 99 goal argument was going to be used. Riewoldt is a better player than Fevola. Works hard all the time as well.

And why wouldn't Milne be ahead of Rioli? He influenced more matches last season than Rioli. A premiership medal helps the perception of any player I suppose.

[Mr Magic]

I'm a little confused with the argument that Reiwoldt needs to kick more goals to be in front of Fevola?

Fevola plays FF, Reiwoldt plays CHF.

Surely wre not suggesting that a CHF's goals should be near the total of a FF?

If we're using this criteria then why shouldn't Milne be ahead of Cyril Rioli or any other small forward based on his goal tally last season?

I was wondering how long the 99 goal argument was going to be used. Riewoldt is a better player than Fevola. Works hard all the time as well.

And why wouldn't Milne be ahead of Rioli? He influenced more matches last season than Rioli. A premiership medal helps the perception of any player I suppose.

Yes.
I notice that the goals kicked issue isn't raised with Jonathan Brown, who probably spends more game time at FF than Roo?

This is the inherent problem when comparing the 'value' of players who play in different positions.

[vacuous space]

And why wouldn't Milne be ahead of Rioli? He influenced more matches last season than Rioli. A premiership medal helps the perception of any player I suppose.

http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare ... ers=927%2C

I don't think Milne should be in there either, but he's clearly ahead of Rioli at this stage. Then again, if asked, Sheehan would probably point out that Rioli had more tackles than Milne. I'd take Nathan G. Brown over either one and a lot of the players on that list.

Personally, I think he's jumping the gun on Selwood as well. I'd still have guys like Hayes and Cross ahead of him. There's a lot of guys that, if you subbed them into Geelong's lineup in Selwood's place, would be just as terrifying if not more so.

And Sheehan's Dal Santo bashing has got to be as bad as some of the people on here. I don't think even Hawthorn would take Bateman over Dal. Yes, he tagged him out of the PF. Hudghton also beat Franklin, and I don't see Hudghton at #3.

[JABBER]

If Judd is a better team player than Luke Ball why didnt we pick him up.it wasnt based on judd's shoulder injuries it was based on what they can give to the club. when fully fit luke Ball is a great player a great leader and fantastic bloke. Is Judd a better player than Buddy,Hodge,Brown,Bartell and Dean Cox i dont think so the best thing about the top 50 is everyone talking about it so why not add spice to it

[Eastern]

I'm more interested in top 50, end of 2009. We could have seven:

Lenny Hayes
Nick Riewoldt
Luke Ball
Brendon Goddard
Justin Koschitzke
Nick Dal Santo
Matt McGuire

Who knows, this could be the year!

Sam Fisher ???????????????????????????? !!

[BAM! (shhhh)]

Judd is a fantastic player no doubt but IMO he has fallen so far behind Gablett it's not even funny.

I would have thought Riewoldt is number 2, Fisher top 20, Lenny top 30, Goddard top 40 and nobody else in the top 50.

However if I were to do it by what I'm expecting of them this year I would have Goddard top 10.

I don't think even the most biased St Kilda supporter would have Riewoldt in front of Ablett Jnr and Franklin.

Personally I'd love to see Nick kick 75-80 goals and I think we need that for our team to take the next step but on the other hand you've got some people on here who think our midfield is too Riewoldt conscious. I agree that we need a greater spread of goal kickers but Nick is the best overhead mark of the game and has amazing remarkable endurance. We need even more goals from him in 2009 to take that next step. And if he does that, we won't be complaining about him being #8 on Mike's list at the end of the year.

As with others, I've got issues with a direct Reiwoldt/Franklin comparison. Reiwoldt is a CHF of the modern game, and Franklin is one of the true FFs - and the stats back this up. And while I personally wouldn't rate Reiwoldt ahead of Franklin, I don't think it's the slam dunk that oft gets thrown around. On a skill vs contribution, Franklin gets worshipped at least as much for what he can do as what he does... for actual contribution to their teams, I'd rate them pretty even. On a pure skills basis, Franklin stands along.

Contribution wise, talking goalkicking, there is no weapon in the competition as valuable as Franklin. He's in a league of his own, even if he never corrects his accuracy... and if he does that, the only comparison I can think of for what he'd be is Tony Lockett. So if I'm thinking Franklin may improve in '09, I'm definately going to rate him as the top key forward.

Big picture, Reiwoldt sets up more goals (finished 3rd in assists), takes more marks (led the league... again...), gives away FAR fewer frees, and still finished top ten for goals - just not in Buddy Franklin's league.

They're both very important to team structure, and Franklin is having the impact today with pure goalkicking that Reiwoldt had at a similar age with his astonishing level of marks. So, while I'd rate Franklin ahead, and in a guess at the next 22 weeks I'd have to go with Franklin even moreso, I can see justification for Roo's fans to argue the point.

As for Judd, if he's back to 100%, he will challenge Ablett's crown. I think seeing him run around half fit and still be dominant has affected peoples memories for how good he really has been.

[JABBER]

Buddy Riewoldt Brown and Fev are all very good players
my order would be
Brown J
Riewoldt N
Fev
Buddy
but Buddy is catching up quickly if he can kick more straight he would very close Fev is a fantastic kick for goal but sometimes go missing
Riewoldt and J Brown are just in front because more consistant.
Pav of Fremantle and Richo of Richmond are also very good players

[TassieJones]

in reverse order....






50 Bryce Gibbs
49 Grant Birchall
48 Kane Cornes
47 Drew Petrie
46 Dale Thomas
45 Chance Bateman
43 Travis Cloke
42 Ryan Griffen
41 Brett Deledio
40 Simon Goodwin
39 Scott Pendlebury
38 Jarras Mcveigh
37 Dane Swan
35 Paul Chapman
34 Daniel Bradshaw
33 Brad Ottens
32 Ryan Okeefe
31 Alan Didak
30 Luke Power
29 Steve Johnson
28 Brad Sewell
27 Joel Selwood
24 Cameron Ling
23 Dale Morris
22 Jarryd Roughhead
21 Darren Glass

The players in the 50 I would take Lenny Hayes before every single day of the week. What a disgrace.

[TassieJones]

from noddy's blog......


..[Comment From wayne clothier]
"luke ball , lenny hayes mike once again you lay the boots in on the saints and fevola ahead of reiwoldt your joking right ?
3:33
Hayes is stiff. He has a great work ethic, but doesn't kick enough goals _ five from 24 games last year. I've hardly snubbed Nick at No. 8. Fevola did kick 99 goals from 22 games last year compared to Riewoldt's 65 from 24."

So tell me mike sheahan, how many goals did Joel Corey kick last year? Didn't affect his rating did it.

Absolute piss weak excuse

[BAM! (shhhh)]

Lenny Hayes is one of my absolute favs, and if he can truly get back to his best as just prior to his knee injury, then he'll be in the end of year rankings for sure.

However, whether it be knee related, role related, or otherwise, at his age, you'd expect his '09 to be pretty similar to '08. He's a prime clearance winner and ferocious tackler. However, in '08, his kicking fell off the face of a cliff... previously he'd put me in mod of a corvette, the way he swerved through traffic on the run, last year, guys got hands on him, his disposal was often hurried... that explains some of it, but without pressure he didn't do a great job of hitting targets either...

and his goalkicking was awful. Only twice in his career has he taken as many/more shots than last year... and in '07 he kicked 5 goals 12 behinds. Though by the same reasoning I was going with previously, hopefully he'll get a similar number of shots, and you'd expect his accuracy to revert to the norm.

I have no problem with him being outside the 50. There are a few players in there I'd back Hayes against, but that's me personally, I'm biased and have great faith in Hayes.

[stinger]

maybe the snub will spur him on.....not that i think he needs one

[evertonfc]

You lot will be delighted to see that Michelangelo Rucci from The Advertiser has ranked Lenny Hayes at 22 in his Top 50.

...but let that be tempered by the unusual rankings of Luke Ball at #41 and John Anthony at #50.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 01,00.html

[saint66au]

John Anthony at #50.

Didnt leave a "0" out there did you?

[dalsanto26]

Cyril Rioli in over Hayes? please.
He has played one year at a premiership team. Like to see him play at Melbroune. Lenny has been consisent for a good 5 years now even when the team has been struggling.