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Indeed. I presume that I am reading correctly between the lines by quoting you to put forward my 5 cents.stinger wrote:boardroom or bedroom.....
You can write what you like about me. Why would I even care. What I will say is your use of the English language is impressive but your facts about what happened is poor. I dont know you and you wouldnt know me but what you wrote about how BW left the club was clearly wrong. Do you understand that word. I am sure you do wordsmith. People come on here and post crap and it then becomes fact. Well you wrote crap on why BW left as Sensational has also said. I love people who say that they have a connection with club well maybe the person you are fighting with may also have a connection or maybe both are telling untruths as you did about why BW left.the shadow wrote:I never pick on clearly stupid people. In your case though, it's easy to make an exception. It's spelt grammar BTW. What gives you the right to accuse me of lying when you don't know who I am, or what my connection to the club is? You simply don't know whether I'm lying or not. Your illiteracy and stupidity is no defence to the offensive garbage you regularly post on here.
Your reputation for simply abusing others with whom you disagree is well known. I've never accused you of lying even though much of what you say is preposterous. I do know for a fact that you are an ill-tempered, ill-informed, illiterate buffoon. My opinion of you and what you say is based on empirical evidence. Your comments are simply infantile rants. I feel sorry for you. I know it must be frustrating being stupid. One thing you will understand is the lack of support for the crap you posted. But maybe not.....
If you don't like my posts, you are free not to read them. Treat them as comedy, whatever that means to you. I'll try and throw in some fart jokes so you can at least comprehend something. You wouldn't understand what I write about anyway, as I use words with more than one syllable. You clearly lack the ability to distil meaning from what others write. I'd be relieved to know that I'm not wasting my time writing for, and engaging someone like you. It's just no fun picking on defenceless creatures. I wait with baited breath for your next amazingly witty and well crafted reply. I've got a few decades. Don't stay up all night. Adios.
Well we agree to disagree. You say you know. I say I know as does sensational. As the song goes 2-3 out of 3 aint bad.the shadow wrote:Sigh! A wise man once said, "Never argue with drunks, coppers and fools." You can never convince them of the truth. Enough said. I don't care for your opinion in this matter and you don't know the facts that I do. It won't change by repeating your case over and over. I KNOW what went on, you are supposing. I know you don't accept my version. That is your right. As I have said all along, you, like SENsational, have a right to your opinion. It doesn't give you the right to call people liars.
Take a look at the way SENsational responded to my post. He disagrees and attempts to put a logical argument to support his case. He never resorted to simply calling the opposite argument a pack of lies. That is called good healthy debate that should be the mark of a good, well balanced forum. I don't get annoyed when people contradict me. It's good to have a diverse number of views. Immediate resort to abuse is not good for anyone. Not me, and especially not you. If you want to keep having a crack, email/PM me privately and we can top wasting valuable forum space.
Cheers
bigmicka wrote:As i said in another post Ross Oakley.
Was a saint man, during our only era, although missed the grand finals.
ex ceo of the afl, ok he is in his 60's, But i think he can come in and give us that experience we need. Maybe stick it up Demetriou and Anderson a bit.
mic
the shadow wrote:I never pick on clearly stupid people. In your case though, it's easy to make an exception. It's spelt grammar BTW. What gives you the right to accuse me of lying when you don't know who I am, or what my connection to the club is? You simply don't know whether I'm lying or not. Your illiteracy and stupidity is no defence to the offensive garbage you regularly post on here.
Your reputation for simply abusing others with whom you disagree is well known. I've never accused you of lying even though much of what you say is preposterous. I do know for a fact that you are an ill-tempered, ill-informed, illiterate buffoon. My opinion of you and what you say is based on empirical evidence. Your comments are simply infantile rants. I feel sorry for you. I know it must be frustrating being stupid. One thing you will understand is the lack of support for the crap you posted. But maybe not.....
If you don't like my posts, you are free not to read them. Treat them as comedy, whatever that means to you. I'll try and throw in some fart jokes so you can at least comprehend something. You wouldn't understand what I write about anyway, as I use words with more than one syllable. You clearly lack the ability to distil meaning from what others write. I'd be relieved to know that I'm not wasting my time writing for, and engaging someone like you. It's just no fun picking on defenceless creatures. I wait with baited breath for your next amazingly witty and well crafted reply. I've got a few decades. Don't stay up all night. Adios.
the shadow wrote: You might be surprised to know who reads the posts on this site and who some of the contributors are.
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One last time. I didnt abuse just suggested it was a lie that GT had anything to do with the BW sacking. Maybe I should have said it was untrue IMO. Anyway the next post from you became personal. If you do not believe me read all the posts in the correct order. You may be amazed what you find.the shadow wrote:No one is big noting or trying to destroy anyone's reputation. If you read my initial post you will see I was merely suggesting that Brian Waldron would be an excellent choice as CEO, especially as those who played a part in his downfall are now gone. What I got for my trouble was an ill-informed personal attack and speculative abuse. I have a right to reply to that and qualify my answers.
If the garbage you just posted, including tired references to Caroline Wilson (highly unoriginal and irrelevant), is all you've got to contribute, then I suggest it's you that shouldn't bother posting anything on this site.
BTW, what's wrong with people who have connections to the club posting on this site? I'd have thought it was good to have opinions, information and discussion from all people who are interested in the St Kilda Football Club, be they members, supporters, employees or players. You might be surprised to know who reads the posts on this site and who some of the contributors are.
As for destroying reputations, if the posts on here are as lacking in credibility and substance as you claim, why would anyone be bothered to be offended by them? I doubt anything posted on this site, or in this thread is going to "destroy" someone's reputation. More facts, less hyperbole thanks. I do however, like the use of the word polemic. Shows you've got some talent and brains. I'd expect better from you if that is the case.
Er, Plugger, you called him a liar first. That's personal. That's abuse. You started it mate. And if you're going to throw it around then you'd better be prepared to cop some back.plugger66 wrote:One last time. I didnt abuse just suggested it was a lie that GT had anything to do with the BW sacking. Maybe I should have said it was untrue IMO. Anyway the next post from you became personal. If you do not believe me read all the posts in the correct order. You may be amazed what you find.
It's the anonymity that allows "insiders" to post titbits like this. It's interesting to read, healthy to debate about the club and help to prevent excesses as it puts those in charge on notice that they will be held to account for their actions at some point in time.Red wrote:The issue I have with this is if you really are an 'insider' and it is okay for
you as an 'insider' to post this information than make your source known.
If you can't make your connections known, I wonder if that demonstrates
that maybe you shouldn't be posting these so called facts.
Om the balance of probabilities, this seems like a plausible argument... don't forget Pagan and Nth.the shadow wrote:Well said Yipper! Exactly right. The whole thing could've been sorted out amicably. Opportunity knocked, and the great opportunist pounced! As I have said about GT before, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I acknowledge your rational analysis SENsational, and from in from the outside your assumptions are not unreasonable. However, there was a lot more to it than met the eye. GT has priors for doing the same wherever he has been. Do you ever wonder why a man of GT's enormous talent and vision (by his own admission) was not snapped up by another organisation upon leaving St Kilda?
As his position at St Kilda was a very public one, his behaviour was exposed and he finally ran out of chances. What his time at St Kilda also did was damage his chances in the employment market. It's a pretty small world out there and he has burnt/blown up more bridges than a WW2 demolition expert. Word travels fast, especially at the upper end of the market.
I actually said you are posting lies if you think BW left because of GT. Maybe that is calling him a liar and as I said maybe I should have said you are posting untruths IMO. Anyway to be honest I couldnt give a stuff about this. My opinion doesnt change though that BW was asked to leave because of certain action of his and not because he was asked to exit by GT.Richter wrote:Er, Plugger, you called him a liar first. That's personal. That's abuse. You started it mate. And if you're going to throw it around then you'd better be prepared to cop some back.plugger66 wrote:One last time. I didnt abuse just suggested it was a lie that GT had anything to do with the BW sacking. Maybe I should have said it was untrue IMO. Anyway the next post from you became personal. If you do not believe me read all the posts in the correct order. You may be amazed what you find.
(Btw, unlike others on here I actually am a fan of most of the stuff you write. Just think you're wrong in the "who abused who first" thing here.)
RE. the topic of GT's role in BW's sacking...... isn't it possible that there are nuanced views depending on what info you had/slant you want to put on matters? In this sense none of you need be "telling lies".
Is there really such a thing as an "objective" truth out there in any history? I read a quote the other day in a book I'm reading...... "all accounts of history are an attempt at persuasion". (I'm a philosophical type, as you might gather!)
What this posts shows is you love a beer and obviously were pissed when you wrote this. I forgive you as what i wrote was 3 or 4 days ago and you obviously havent had your medication today. Lovely language from you the wordsmith for no reason at all. I thought it was over but as I said 2 out of 3 aint bad with the facts. Yes a few who may not rate me and go along with you but they dont state what you said as being fact. Also I wreckon a person with poor maths skills like yourself also has little brains. Not one person has actually said that what you said is correct. Happy to catch up with you round one. If I can get to the footy one day I hope we can catch up for a beer. Afterall a person like you would like to finally have someone to call a friend.the shadow wrote:the shadow wrote:
Sigh! A wise man once said, "Never argue with drunks, coppers and fools." You can never convince them of the truth. Enough said. I don't care for your opinion in this matter and you don't know the facts that I do. It won't change by repeating your case over and over. I KNOW what went on, you are supposing. I know you don't accept my version. That is your right. As I have said all along, you, like SENsational, have a right to your opinion. It doesn't give you the right to call people liars.
Take a look at the way SENsational responded to my post. He disagrees and attempts to put a logical argument to support his case. He never resorted to simply calling the opposite argument a pack of lies. That is called good healthy debate that should be the mark of a good, well balanced forum. I don't get annoyed when people contradict me. It's good to have a diverse number of views. Immediate resort to abuse is not good for anyone. Not me, and especially not you. If you want to keep having a crack, email/PM me privately and we can top wasting valuable forum space.
Cheers
Well we agree to disagree. You say you know. I say I know as does sensational. As the song goes 2-3 out of 3 aint bad.
Invoking the lyrics of a tired, mediocre and cliched 70's rock ballad is hardly the basis for winning an argument. I'll give you a little tip plugger 66. I disagree with you, your opinion is just that, so it doesn't contribute to "winning" an argument, so at best you have 1 out of 3. That's 33.33%. In anyone's book that is a comprehensive fail. Far from being "ain't bad", it's totally sytehouse! If you'd bothered to read the other posts you'll see there is far more support for my position than yours. My fellow posters even chastise you for starting the abuse and for calling me a liar.
You deny calling me a liar, which in turn makes you the liar. I love bringing c***heads like you to account because you post a torrent of drivel in the belief that you have something to contribute. I've also received some private messages congratulating me for taking you on and humiliating you. The reason those posters didn't make it public is because they didn't want to be subjected to more mindless abuse from you. So there it is. How does it feel to be exposed by fact and reason. You are a bully, and the one thing bullies hate is being exposed and having to face someone with a bit of courage.
If you'd like to have a reasoned face to face discussion about this, and I can assure you I take great offence at being called a liar, please feel free to come down to L1, aisle 32, row G (Where I've sat for the past 7 years) in round one and say it to my face. I'll be the big bloke with the goatee at the end of the row. Look forward to seeing you then. All the best.
