N Burke and R Harvey cant split them

JABBER · Post: # 704054Post **JABBER** » Wed 25 Feb 2009 8:59pm

I was asked the other day who was the better player between Burkey And Harves my answer was both were great footballers and i could not split them i also added thet N Winmar was slighty better than both of them

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clarky449 · Post: # 704072Post **clarky449** » Wed 25 Feb 2009 9:24pm

rightio

Enrico_Misso · Wed 25 Feb 2009 9:31pm

JABBER wrote:I was asked the other day who was the better player between Burkey And Harves my answer was both were great footballers and i could not split them i also added thet N Winmar was slighty better than both of them

You obviously didn't see Glen Middlemiss !

ausfatcat · Post: # 704083Post **ausfatcat** » Wed 25 Feb 2009 9:35pm

burkie was good but Harves was by far better, Winmar was a freakish player but went missing.

saint patrick · Wed 25 Feb 2009 9:43pm

ausfatcat wrote:burkie was good but Harves was by far better, Winmar was a freakish player but went missing.

In sheer talent /skill

1.Winmar
2.Harvey
3. Burke

In guts,determination,courage,leadership,sacrifice for team ect

1.Harvey
2.Burke
3.Winmar

Not meant as a slight on Nicky in these areas but the other two were as good as they come.

All great St.Kilda champions/legends

BakesFan · Post: # 704093Post **BakesFan** » Wed 25 Feb 2009 9:44pm

Harvs for consistent excellence.

Burkie for sheer courage and tenacity.

Nicky for 'magical' ability.

........ and now for some way to combine them and create the GREATEST EVER FOOTBALLER.........

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

saint patrick · Wed 25 Feb 2009 9:49pm

BakesFan wrote:Harvs for consistent excellence.

Burkie for sheer courage and tenacity.

Nicky for 'magical' ability.

........ and now for some way to combine them and create the GREATEST EVER FOOTBALLER......... BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

Nathan Harmar...now that boy can play

Pwoit · Post: # 704124Post **Pwoit** » Wed 25 Feb 2009 10:36pm

Enrico_Misso wrote:You obviously didn't see Glen Middlemiss !

Don't forget Billy Mildenhall #39

stinger · Post: # 704129Post **stinger** » Wed 25 Feb 2009 10:44pm

JABBER wrote:I was asked the other day who was the better player between Burkey And Harves my answer was both were great footballers and i could not split them i also added thet N Winmar was slighty better than both of them

your joking..............?????

banger is one of the top ten footballers of all time..........winmar top 100 maybe.......still one of the saints alltime greats.......burkey would probably rate in the top 200......maybe 300.....

TriColourDisciple · Thu 26 Feb 2009 10:20am

I rate Nathan Burke very highly.
He slips under the radar with alot of people IMO, because his wasn't a 'glamour' player
Rarely played an ordinary game & threw everything at it for his entire career.
The current number 3 isn't a patch on it's predessor.
So glad he played with us & glad he is still with us.
A true, genuine, Saints Great. (minus the glamour)

yipper · Post: # 704207Post **yipper** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 10:35am

Enrico_Misso wrote:
JABBER wrote:I was asked the other day who was the better player between Burkey And Harves my answer was both were great footballers and i could not split them i also added thet N Winmar was slighty better than both of them
You obviously didn't see Glen Middlemiss !

Mordi Bromberg wasn't to shabby either!!!

WayneJudson42 · Thu 26 Feb 2009 10:47am

saint patrick wrote:
ausfatcat wrote:burkie was good but Harves was by far better, Winmar was a freakish player but went missing.
In sheer talent /skill

1.Winmar
2.Harvey
3. Burke

In guts,determination,courage,leadership,sacrifice for team ect

1.Harvey
2.Burke
3.Winmar

Not meant as a slight on Nicky in these areas but the other two were as good as they come.

All great St.Kilda champions/legends

Spot on!

Armoooo · Post: # 704309Post **Armoooo** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 2:30pm

Harvey >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any player I've ever seen.

Burke was a hardnut with great leadership skills, IMO he was a rich man's Scott Burns, Nicky Winmar was a freak who could dominate a game, but his disciplinary issues and tendancies to go missing let him down.

Both Burke and Winmar are St Kilda legends but Robert Harvey is an Australian Sporting legend. What Harvey did in his career was incredible and his record 21 seasons will never be challenged, he was able to perform at a high level for such a long time but when he was at his very best he dominated the game like no player has since.

yipper · Post: # 704311Post **yipper** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 2:32pm

Armoooo wrote:Harvey >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any player I've ever seen.

Burke was a hardnut with great leadership skills, IMO he was a rich man's Scott Burns, Nicky Winmar was a freak who could dominate a game, but his disciplinary issues and tendancies to go missing let him down.

Both Burke and Winmar are St Kilda legends but Robert Harvey is an Australian Sporting legend. What Harvey did in his career was incredible and his record 21 seasons will never be challenged, he was able to perform at a high level for such a long time but when he was at his very best he dominated the game like no player has since.

100% spot on.

Mr Magic · Post: # 704313Post **Mr Magic** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 2:39pm

yipper wrote:
Armoooo wrote:Harvey >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any player I've ever seen.

Burke was a hardnut with great leadership skills, IMO he was a rich man's Scott Burns, Nicky Winmar was a freak who could dominate a game, but his disciplinary issues and tendancies to go missing let him down.

Both Burke and Winmar are St Kilda legends but Robert Harvey is an Australian Sporting legend. What Harvey did in his career was incredible and his record 21 seasons will never be challenged, he was able to perform at a high level for such a long time but when he was at his very best he dominated the game like no player has since.
100% spot on.

Not quite 100% for me.
I reckon he's equal #3 on all-time Saints that I've seen:-

1.Baldock
2.Lockett
3.Stewart and Harvey
4.Ditterich
5.Winmar

Burkie as great a player and clubman that he was wouldn't probably make my top 10.

In no particular order all of the following Saints would be in front of him as a player, IMHO
Ross Smith
Trevor Barker
Verrdun Howell
Stewart Loewe
Nick Riewoldt
Cowboy Neale
George Young

to name a few off the top of my head.

Rumolal · Post: # 704316Post **Rumolal** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 2:45pm

Harvs was an out and out champ. Too hard to list all his achievements.
Dont forget that Burkey won 3 B&F's in the same team as Harvey, Loewe, Winmar, Lockett, Frawley. Also fininshed in the top 3 eight times, missed a brownlow by 1 single vote.

Winmar had amazing skills but your right about him going missing at times.

Rumolal · Post: # 704317Post **Rumolal** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 2:52pm

If there was a player from the 60's or 70's with that sort of record you would have him in your top 10 for sure.

And dont say it was because we had an ordinary side. The fact is we havent had a tonne of great teams.

Only two men have won more B and F's than Burkey did. Harvey and Riewoldt. Harvs himself says that he wouldnt have been as good without him doing al the tough stuff. Lets face it, as good as Harvs is he was never a great tackler or led the way in the tougher aspects that are required.

VietNam_Saint · Thu 26 Feb 2009 3:08pm

BakesFan wrote:Harvs for consistent excellence.

Burkie for sheer courage and tenacity.

Nicky for 'magical' ability.

Excellent analogy.

FULL STOP

Rumolal · Post: # 704329Post **Rumolal** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 3:18pm

have to agree with you Vietnam and your agreement of a previous post.

stinger · Post: # 704330Post **stinger** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 3:19pm

VietNam_Saint wrote:
BakesFan wrote:Harvs for consistent excellence.

Burkie for sheer courage and tenacity.

Nicky for 'magical' ability.

Excellent analogy.

FULL STOP

yep

Winmar7Fan · Post: # 704364Post **Winmar7Fan** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 5:06pm

ausfatcat wrote:burkie was good but Harves was by far better, Winmar was a freakish player but went missing.

We must have different memories yes he may have been high maintenance off the field but to me his form was very consistent and reliable.

I don't remember going home too many times with him being shut down put it that way.

JABBER · Post: # 704372Post **JABBER** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 5:40pm

my top 10 since 1975 was
1. T Lockett
2. N Winmar
3.4. N Burke, R Harvey
5. N Riewoldt
6. S Loewe
7. G Burns
8. D Frawley
9. T Barker
10. G Train

Winmar7Fan · Post: # 704374Post **Winmar7Fan** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 5:52pm

JABBER wrote:my top 10 since 1975 was
1. T Lockett
2. N Winmar
3.4. N Burke, R Harvey
5. N Riewoldt
6. S Loewe
7. G Burns
8. D Frawley
9. T Barker
10. G Train

Im with you pretty much except for Greg Burns and the train. I'd put Lenny Hayes in there for one.

BigMart · Post: # 704382Post **BigMart** » Thu 26 Feb 2009 6:25pm

What Harves did over 21 years is more than any other player achieved - perhaps by double....

He is without doubt the best EVER!!!!

If you think there has been a more skilful footballer (winning the ball in footy is perhaps the most important skill) I think we should bring out the 97-98 tapes.......or maybe the 92/94 tapes, maybe even the 2003 tapes....

His final vs Adelaide is example of a great game.....can you do better on a big stage, probably not....and it was 17 years into his career....

We know his achievements.....why do we underate him?

Surely we get angry when other club do?

Question
Why would Baldock (the legend he was, and I am taswegian) who played 5 seasons even compare to a guy who dominated for 20 seasons....seriously...

Calling Winmar magical is correct.......what is more magical than Harves running rings around a midfield for a couple hours and picking up 40, he also weaved a spell.....asked anyone who tried to tackle him

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