Rookies Draft live talk: Saints take seven rookies

degruch · Post: # 686527Post **degruch** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:37pm

rodgerfox wrote:Does anyone think there's the slightest chance we'll ever see some value from the Rookie Draft?

Yeah, there's never ever been a valuable player come from the rookie list in the history of the whole wide world.

mad saint guy · Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:38pm

I much would have prefered that we took Deboer/Pearce instead of Dawson, but other than that it seems like a decent group of rookies.

We've now got plenty of young athletes (Howard, Haretuku, McGrath, Cahill, Gaertner) and hopefully we can manage to turn one of them into a footballer.

What has always worried me with Lyon is that he seems to love recruiting mediorce half backs/wingmen. We're constantly adding more hack to GOP standard runners and they don't seem to do anything (Dempster being the one exception). I'm glad we've finally picked a quick small forward.

2009 will be an interesting year.

Likely starting 22

B: Gilbert, Hudghton, R.Clarke
HB: Ray, Maguire, S.Fisher
C: Gram, Hayes, Dal Santo
HF: X.Clarke, Riewoldt, Schneider
F: Lynch, Koschitzke, Milne

Foll: King, Ball, Goddard
Int: Baker, Begley, Blake, Montagna

Reserves (itallics should be AFL ready in '09 if needed)

B: Miles, Dawson, McGarry
HB: Howard, Simpkin, Geary
C: L.Fisher, Eddy, Smith
HF: Jones, Cahill, Steven
F: Gwilt, McEvoy, Heyne

Foll: Gardiner, McQualter, Armitage
Int: Connors, Gaertner, Haretuku, Stanley, Tungatulum

Inj: Allen, Dempster

Saints94 · Post: # 686529Post **Saints94** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:39pm

Tommy Simpkin

degruch · Post: # 686530Post **degruch** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:39pm

By the way, will Allen be LTI for 2009? If so, will one of the rookies be added to the main list? Zac Dawson or Brad Howard would have to be a chance.

Also, I've noted Brad Howard's selection being bagged a bit, but we did re-draft Mini to good effect, so you'd have to give the guy a chance.

stinger · Post: # 686531Post **stinger** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:39pm

how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....

Saints94 · Post: # 686539Post **Saints94** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:44pm

stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....

Is it because we delisted so many players?

Animal Enclosure · Tue 16 Dec 2008 1:48pm

True Blue Sainter wrote:
Armoooo wrote:Gaertner... Meh...

I'm really disappointed we didn't go Deboer first round and Pearce second round...
My thoughts exactly. Nobody else would have taken Dawson & Howard - so why not leave them until the last 2 "live" picks? IMO, the re-drafting of Howard is pretty useless anyway, I don't think he has what it takes to play regular AFL footy. Fingers crossed he can develop though.

I love all you experts that know exactly what 15 other clubs were thinking.

There is no doubt that someone else would have taken Dawson.

Howard is another story but since we are apparently already going to pay him for 09 & 10 then he may as well be contributing in some manner.

Personally I think we have done very well in this ROOKIE draft. Keep in mind the rookie list is used for 2 purposes;

1. As a development stream for kids that have potential (Simpkin, Gaertner, Howard, Tungatulum, McGarry, McGrath) and

2. As a means of providing depth in position that can be suspect with an injury or two (Dawson).

The best thing is that we have added 13 players under 22 since the end of this season

1. Ray (22)
2. Lynch
3. Stanley
4. Heyne
5. Smith
6. Cahill
7. Begley
8. Dawson
9. Simpkin
10. Gaertner
11. Tungatulum
12. McGarry
13. McGrath
plus Howard.

All of these players are spread across a number of positions that gives us flexibility, succession planning and a few kids with real X Factor- Lynch, Heyne, Gaertner & Choo Choo.

That's an outstanding result as far as I'm concerned & will go a fair way to giving our core group a chance at a flag in a few years time.

Beno88 · Post: # 686582Post **Beno88** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 2:58pm

Does anyone think there's the slightest chance we'll ever see some value from the Rookie Draft?

Four players elevated from the rookie list played in the preliminary for us this year. Milne, Eddy, Jones and McQualter.

saintly · Post: # 686593Post **saintly** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 3:03pm

stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....

the afl allowed every club 2 extra rookies to compensate when GC17 comes into the draft. as well we have the additional NSW rookie.

stinger · Post: # 686601Post **stinger** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 3:16pm

saintly wrote:
stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....
the afl allowed every club 2 extra rookies to compensate when GC17 comes into the draft. as well we have the additional NSW rookie.

thanks mate.....getting forgetful in my dotage.....

saintsRrising · Tue 16 Dec 2008 10:51pm

n1ck wrote: Sorry sRr, could you explain what you mean by beanpole ruckman (Gaertner) contrasting with our other 200cm rucks?

I did not mean Geartner (who I see as more a KPP prospect). My reference to beanpole ruckman was the NSW Scholarship elevation McGrath to the Rooke list who is 208 cm

The 200cm rucks I was referring to were McEvoy and Stanley who are both 200cm....and both capable of playing the ruck/forward role as both are good grabs.

n1ck wrote:
From what Ive read and seen, they are all decent 'project' prospects. Good athletically, all very mobile runners - but all have skill and 'smarts' deficiencies.

I agree.

n1ck wrote: How does Gaertner contrast to the other two?

Well as mentioned above my comment was meant to be McGrath.

However Gaertner I see more as a KPP (though yes in time perhaps a relief ruckman). Perhaps a potential Fletcher like Full Back in the making??

McGrath as the beanpole ruckman.

Mcevoy /Stanley as ruckman who can go forward.

Stanley is also reportedly more mobile than McEvoy...more of an athlete.

Batnoe · Post: # 686938Post **Batnoe** » Tue 16 Dec 2008 10:52pm

Everyone is saying Choo Choo is quick, has anyone got a stat on his pace over 20m?

saintsRrising · Tue 16 Dec 2008 11:27pm

rodgerfox wrote:Does anyone think there's the slightest chance we'll ever see some value from the Rookie Draft?

Milne would be considered by many to have delivered value.

Attard did the job last season (till his knee ruined his career). No star, but was doinga job.

Jones, Geary and Eddy all look useful.

Not convinced about Mini though.

Saints94 · Post: # 687049Post **Saints94** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 9:36am

Batnoe wrote:Everyone is saying Choo Choo is quick, has anyone got a stat on his pace over 20m?

I don't think he attented the draft camp

Saints94 · Post: # 687050Post **Saints94** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 9:37am

saintsRrising wrote:
rodgerfox wrote:Does anyone think there's the slightest chance we'll ever see some value from the Rookie Draft?
Milne would be considered by many to have delivered value.

Attard did the job last season (till his knee ruined his career). No star, but was doinga job.

Jones, Geary and Eddy all look useful.

Not convinced about Mini though.

Mini needs to put on some weight and maybe he will turn like a GOP

Saints94 · Post: # 687057Post **Saints94** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 9:45am

Here's a little story about Zac Dawson:

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/f ... 23695.html

goodie · Post: # 687134Post **goodie** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 11:23am

stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....

6 rookies - standard compliment
1 GC rookie - compensation for incoming GC team, another slot will be available next year
2 NSW scholarships - count outside the rookie compliment

Saints94 · Post: # 687135Post **Saints94** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 11:24am

goodie wrote:
stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....
6 rookies - standard compliment
1 GC rookie - compensation for incoming GC team, another slot will be available next year
2 NSW scholarships - count outside the rookie compliment

Blake Mcgrath one of our NSW scholarship but whos our other?

degruch · Post: # 687264Post **degruch** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 2:08pm

homework wrote:
goodie wrote:
stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....
6 rookies - standard compliment
1 GC rookie - compensation for incoming GC team, another slot will be available next year
2 NSW scholarships - count outside the rookie compliment
Blake Mcgrath one of our NSW scholarship but whos our other?

Ghengis!

Saints94 · Post: # 687267Post **Saints94** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 2:13pm

degruch wrote:
homework wrote:
goodie wrote:
stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....
6 rookies - standard compliment
1 GC rookie - compensation for incoming GC team, another slot will be available next year
2 NSW scholarships - count outside the rookie compliment
Blake Mcgrath one of our NSW scholarship but whos our other?
Ghengis!

It's spelt genius

degruch · Post: # 687270Post **degruch** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 2:14pm

homework wrote:
degruch wrote:
homework wrote:
goodie wrote:
stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....
6 rookies - standard compliment
1 GC rookie - compensation for incoming GC team, another slot will be available next year
2 NSW scholarships - count outside the rookie compliment
Blake Mcgrath one of our NSW scholarship but whos our other?
Ghengis!
It's spelt genius

Gengheninius. Wikipedia that one.

Saints94 · Post: # 687271Post **Saints94** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 2:15pm

degruch wrote:
homework wrote:
degruch wrote:
homework wrote:
goodie wrote:
stinger wrote:how come we are allowed 9 rookies.....
6 rookies - standard compliment
1 GC rookie - compensation for incoming GC team, another slot will be available next year
2 NSW scholarships - count outside the rookie compliment
Blake Mcgrath one of our NSW scholarship but whos our other?
Ghengis!
It's spelt genius
Gengheninius. Wikipedia that one.

O.k then......

Post: # 687535Post **n1ck** » Wed 17 Dec 2008 11:24pm

Sorry sRr!

My bad...

noob · Post: # 687790Post **noob** » Thu 18 Dec 2008 5:19pm

so glad we picked up sam mcgarry. he is very very quick and got good endurance. played at least 10 years of footy with him he was a star. good mate too.