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Cousins Salary Cap Issue

Post: # 676477Post ace »

Salary Cap problems again.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 42,00.html
St Kilda risks being excluded from the pre-season draft because of salary cap constraint yet again. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Shortly after the main draft on Saturday 29 November all clubs must submit an update of their playing list and and details of their projected total player payments (Wednesday 3 December).
Based on these clubs which can not afford any more players can be excluded from the pre-season draft and rookie draft.

Year after year St Kilda is among only a few clubs that are excluded from the pre-season draft not because of lack of list vacancies but because of salary cap constraint.
It would be understandable if the club had won a couple of premierships but this playing group has won none.

St Kilda has 6 rookie positions to fill.
As each rookie is paid $33,200 under the AFL Collective Bargaining Agreement and each rookie counts at 50% against the total player payments, St Kilda needs to have a clear $99,600 to be able to fill all rookie positions.

It is amazing that the club is yet again in this difficult predicament given that the cap has been increased from $7,431,250 to $7,693,750 ($262,500 increase) and Aaron Hamill's massive rear ended contract was paid out this year.

It may be understandable if some young recruit had become a star but sadly recent drafts have produced nothing more than fringe players.
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Damian Barrett knows SFA about our cap situation.


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If Brisbane seriously wants Cousins and Cousins wants to play for Brisbane all Cousins has to do is pass on the main draft.
He then nominates for the pre-season draft nominating a salary that St Kilda can't afford under its total player payments.
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JeffDunne wrote:Damian Barrett knows SFA about our cap situation.
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Re: Cousins Salary Cap Issue

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Year after year St Kilda is among only a few clubs that are excluded from the pre-season draft not because of lack of list vacancies but because of salary cap constraint.
It would be understandable if the club had won a couple of premierships but this playing group has won none.
In the last 14 months Aaron Hamill, Robert Harvey and Fraser Gehrig have all retired. Wouldn't you think this might free up a bit of salary cap space?


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B W and R all over wrote:In the last 14 months Aaron Hamill, Robert Harvey and Fraser Gehrig have all retired. Wouldn't you think this might free up a bit of salary cap space?
Depends on their contract & any forward obligations but Harv's was on the veterans list & Fraser last year would have been on SFA so I would expect their retirements to have minimal effect.

Usually cap problems are a result of players earning/damanding payment increases.

I can't see how we'd have a problem.


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You can be assured that the Club, in it's discussions/dealings with Cousins, would have reached agreement on salary level with him. If not, that would be the end of it - no deal and wouldn't even get to Board level.

I agree with JD in that Barret, a Collingwood nuff nuff, would have no idea what our current salary cap position is - I have greater confidence in the Club's knowledge of our cap position than anyone elses.


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so do we have salary cap issues or not??? if we do we are really over paying some players


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[quote="undecided"]so do we have salary cap issues or not??? if we do we are really over paying some players[/quote]

If we do have a salary cap problem then we are definitely definitely definitely over paying some players.

This group of players has not earned the right to max out against the salary cap.
They only earn that right by winning a premiership.


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Post: # 676493Post ace »

Harvey and Gehrig were both veterans so only half their player payments counted against the salary cap.

Also note that the cap has been increased by $262,500 for next year.
Which pansies earnt a pay rise. :roll: :roll: :roll:
As Riewoldt pointed out they were only 3 wins ahead of 11th place.
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undecided wrote:so do we have salary cap issues or not??? if we do we are really over paying some players
don't stress too much.....the Journos are having trouble finding another footy story at the moment remember....


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ace wrote:Harvey and Gehrig were both veterans so only half their player payments counted against the salary cap.

Also note that the cap has been increased by $262,500 for next year.
Which pansies earnt a pay rise. :roll: :roll: :roll:
As Riewoldt pointed out they were only 3 wins ahead of 11th place.
Gehrig wouldn't have been on verteran's list as have to play 10 years at the same club. I think Max was the other on veterans list. Fraser would ot have been on much anyways coming back how he did.

If theywant Cousins and Counsins wants to come they will juggle the numbers to make sure it happens ( and may have already started - Howard situation, Fiora delisted etc)


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[quote="older saint"][Gehrig wouldn't have been on verteran's list as have to play 10 years at the same club. I think Max was the other on veterans list. Fraser would ot have been on much anyways coming back how he did.[/quote]

Yes you are right.
Harvey and Hudghton were our only veterans this year.
Gehrig's payments would have counted in full against the total player payments cap.


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ace wrote: Yes you are right.
Harvey and Hudghton were our only veterans this year.
Gehrig's payments would have counted in full against the total player payments cap.
wasnt he like getting paid the minimum tho


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From another thread:

Nobody should take a pay cut to get Cousins to the club..

If the guy wants to get back into football that badly he should play the first season at base payments.

After he has proven himself in that first year then we'll negotiate a pay rate for future years.


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Post: # 676547Post Beno88 »

How can this Barrett rabbit have any idea about St.Kilda's salary cap and player payment situation when there are currently only 33 players on the senior list and 3 rookies??!!

If St.Kilda couldn't afford Ben Cousins, they wouldn't go after him. Simple as that.


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Beno88 wrote:How can this Barrett rabbit have any idea about St.Kilda's salary cap and player payment situation when there are currently only 33 players on the senior list and 3 rookies??!!

If St.Kilda couldn't afford Ben Cousins, they wouldn't go after him. Simple as that.
Whilst I agree that Damien Barrett probably knows SFA about our salary cap position, does anyone really believe that posters to this forum know any more?

Honestly guys... get a grip!!


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Post: # 676557Post SAINT JUMP »

bc should take whatever the saints offer him. without them he earns nothing. is it about money or playing with him.


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SAINT JUMP wrote:bc should take whatever the saints offer him. without them he earns nothing. is it about money or playing with him.
I think it would be about both, the guys loves footy....but we all need to worry about the financial side of things, that's just reality.


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Post: # 676560Post undecided »

hmmm, i could believe that we wwere close to the max b4 we delested some players but i cant see how we can be after the draft


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Post: # 676563Post SAINT JUMP »

well he should not of wasted so much of it. start paying bc, more than some other players worthy of it, will cause friction in the team.


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Post: # 676564Post markp »

As with the sponsor issue, if they didn't tick this box weeks or months ago as part of their 'due diligence' I'd be staggered... and those responsible should be taken out and shot.


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Post: # 676566Post SAINT JUMP »

wont it be nice, to go back to taking about the saints. sick of the bc threads. its been over done. wonder what all the other saints player are feeling, about all the bc shyte.


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markp wrote:As with the sponsor issue, if they didn't tick this box weeks or months ago as part of their 'due diligence' I'd be staggered... and those responsible should be taken out and shot.
there probably having second thoughts


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Post: # 676591Post St. Luke »

I still don't trust Voss or the Lions camp over this. It'd be typical if they came in at the last minute and started a bidding war on him.

I thought I heard this morning that one of the Lions major sponsors had a real issue about Cousins and said they'd pull the pin if any advances were made on BC (I thought they confirmed a week or so ago that Cousins was out of the picture anyway???? Again, that's Voss for you- he'd be pushing for it like crazy!)


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