Surely Zac Dawson would be better as previously suggested.
Have we really going full circle from a youth policy to this?????
Nathan Carroll
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
n1ck
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9871
- Joined: Sun 08 Aug 2004 2:28am
- Location: Clarinda
- Has thanked: 78 times
- Been thanked: 91 times
Surely everyones kidding about Dawson?
I like the bloke, hes a nice kid, but as I said, hes had 3 or 4 years in the system and hes still skinner than Eljay Connors and isnt quick or mobile enough to be a tall midfielder. Just not big enough to be a KPP.
Carroll, on the other hand, is. He's experienced, can play on monster forwards or more mobile medium forwards and would be a cheap (!), handy B.A.C.K.U.P if needed.
I dont think anyone is saying we're about to base a premiership tilt on the shoulders of this bloke, but if he can fill in for Max on the occasion that Max has a niggle or needs a break (as he invariably will at his age) then its a risk worth taking.
I like the bloke, hes a nice kid, but as I said, hes had 3 or 4 years in the system and hes still skinner than Eljay Connors and isnt quick or mobile enough to be a tall midfielder. Just not big enough to be a KPP.
Carroll, on the other hand, is. He's experienced, can play on monster forwards or more mobile medium forwards and would be a cheap (!), handy B.A.C.K.U.P if needed.
I dont think anyone is saying we're about to base a premiership tilt on the shoulders of this bloke, but if he can fill in for Max on the occasion that Max has a niggle or needs a break (as he invariably will at his age) then its a risk worth taking.
-
HarveysDeciple
I like your enthusiasm on this one Nick, but I dont agreen1ck wrote:Surely everyones kidding about Dawson?
I like the bloke, hes a nice kid, but as I said, hes had 3 or 4 years in the system and hes still skinner than Eljay Connors and isnt quick or mobile enough to be a tall midfielder. Just not big enough to be a KPP.
Carroll, on the other hand, is. He's experienced, can play on monster forwards or more mobile medium forwards and would be a cheap (!), handy B.A.C.K.U.P if needed.
I dont think anyone is saying we're about to base a premiership tilt on the shoulders of this bloke, but if he can fill in for Max on the occasion that Max has a niggle or needs a break (as he invariably will at his age) then its a risk worth taking.
Carroll is a very very very ordinary player.
-
mad saint guy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7088
- Joined: Tue 26 Jul 2005 9:44pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 52 times
- Been thanked: 367 times
-
HarveysDeciple
-
St DAC
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2119
- Joined: Tue 28 Sep 2004 7:43pm
- Location: Gippsland
- Has thanked: 3 times
- Been thanked: 4 times
JB my problem isn't that he's a recycled player. My problem is I don't think he's very good. In fact, barely makes it to ordinary IMO.joffaboy wrote:Great move.
...
About time you precious lot of nuffies realise that taking a player to fill a gap while you mature a list is not a bad thing.
But the club are in a better position to evaluate his worth than me, and if they decide to take him I'll (grudgingly) welcome him to the club.
-
WayneJudson42
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3380
- Joined: Mon 07 Jul 2008 9:53pm
- Location: I'm a victim of circumstance
LOL
Half the forum is having wet-dreams about picking up Cuz, but no way to Carrol?
IMHO, Cuz is a bigger tool, and as far as clubment go... Cuz will be remembered in the same boat as Carey for ripping the heart out of their respective clubs.
If he has a role, and the coach reckons he's capable, then good luck to him.
Not the first tool to don the RB&W... and won't be the last.
Seems that their's a "plan B" being hatched to cover Goose, much like M Clarke.
Who else do we have? Blake is ok, Raph? Gwilt? Fiora?
Judging by the club's decision to trade for Ray as well as Cuz, they obviously believe that we are a chance in the next 2 years. So why play a kid in the backline when you already have Goose and Dempster out?
Bringing in kids for the sake of it is a massive risk if you think we are genuine contenders. There are only so many kids you can develop in any one year. After that, you go into a total rebuild phase, which is what we are not yet ready for.
IMHO, Max is a very courageous player and first rate stopper. What happens if he goes down again?
If NC can come in and do a job of stopping a 2nd or 3rd forward... then he's worth a punt.
Oh, and maybe his attitude has to do with being at a certain club?
Plugger toned it down and played great footy at the Swans, as has Hall to a lesser degree... and as some one else mentioned, Gherig.
Half the forum is having wet-dreams about picking up Cuz, but no way to Carrol?
IMHO, Cuz is a bigger tool, and as far as clubment go... Cuz will be remembered in the same boat as Carey for ripping the heart out of their respective clubs.
If he has a role, and the coach reckons he's capable, then good luck to him.
Not the first tool to don the RB&W... and won't be the last.
Seems that their's a "plan B" being hatched to cover Goose, much like M Clarke.
Who else do we have? Blake is ok, Raph? Gwilt? Fiora?
Judging by the club's decision to trade for Ray as well as Cuz, they obviously believe that we are a chance in the next 2 years. So why play a kid in the backline when you already have Goose and Dempster out?
Bringing in kids for the sake of it is a massive risk if you think we are genuine contenders. There are only so many kids you can develop in any one year. After that, you go into a total rebuild phase, which is what we are not yet ready for.
IMHO, Max is a very courageous player and first rate stopper. What happens if he goes down again?
If NC can come in and do a job of stopping a 2nd or 3rd forward... then he's worth a punt.
Oh, and maybe his attitude has to do with being at a certain club?
Plugger toned it down and played great footy at the Swans, as has Hall to a lesser degree... and as some one else mentioned, Gherig.
The lid is off after Round 2! Enjoy the journey, coz you just don't know where we'll end up. Live for today and seize the moment.
-
fonz_#15
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3804
- Joined: Tue 30 May 2006 7:34pm
- Location: the new home of the saints :)
with all due respect, don't you think Plugger, Hall, Cousins and Gehrig are slightly better players than Carrol? i think they were worth the risk.WayneJudson42 wrote:LOL
Half the forum is having wet-dreams about picking up Cuz, but no way to Carrol?
IMHO, Cuz is a bigger tool, and as far as clubment go... Cuz will be remembered in the same boat as Carey for ripping the heart out of their respective clubs.
If he has a role, and the coach reckons he's capable, then good luck to him.
Not the first tool to don the RB&W... and won't be the last.
Seems that their's a "plan B" being hatched to cover Goose, much like M Clarke.
Who else do we have? Blake is ok, Raph? Gwilt? Fiora?
Judging by the club's decision to trade for Ray as well as Cuz, they obviously believe that we are a chance in the next 2 years. So why play a kid in the backline when you already have Goose and Dempster out?
Bringing in kids for the sake of it is a massive risk if you think we are genuine contenders. There are only so many kids you can develop in any one year. After that, you go into a total rebuild phase, which is what we are not yet ready for.
IMHO, Max is a very courageous player and first rate stopper. What happens if he goes down again?
If NC can come in and do a job of stopping a 2nd or 3rd forward... then he's worth a punt.
Oh, and maybe his attitude has to do with being at a certain club?
Plugger toned it down and played great footy at the Swans, as has Hall to a lesser degree... and as some one else mentioned, Gherig.
Carrol is a tool playing in the defense of the crappest team going around.
Robert Harvey- Simply the best
-
BAM! (shhhh)
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2134
- Joined: Thu 24 May 2007 5:23pm
- Location: The little voice inside your head
Post of the thread.evertonfc wrote:Has talent but geez, his attitude is not good historically.
I can stomach a punt on Cousins but the leadership group would need to test this bloke out very thoroughly before we even considered him.
If he comes, I'd make him shave off every bit of hair on his face and head off. Looks like a serious wanker and it reflects in his play.
His biggest bonus would be that he would allow cover for Sam Fisher to play a running role, and he'd be a fine back up in the advent Max broke down.
Interesting to see what happens.
Anybody who thinks the pro Caroll draft are enthusastic towards him should read the above.
I am not pro Carroll - I think he is a tool. The way he carried on after the Dees beat a severly undermanned Saints in the 2006 finals shows he is a goose.
However I have a deal of faith in RL and the club to carry out their plan. It is obvious they think they have a shot at the flag otherwise why bother drafting Cousins.
If Carroll can fill a hole and free up Sam Fisher and take the second or third forward he may have some value.
But FFS shave of that idiotic moe and take off a headband. Players with headbands look like effing halfwit posers.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
Because Silvagni is not up to AFl standard.ralphysaints35 wrote:why dont we look at alex silvagni?kos wrote:i think its a great idea drafting carroll.
he will be back up to our key backs, and a suitable replacement for max for mabe a couple of years untill we unearth a long term prospect.
God help us - Silvagni, Dawson - who next????
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
-
Ralphy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4080
- Joined: Wed 20 Feb 2008 8:26pm
- Location: Morwell Gippsland Australia
- Contact:
ok maybe he isnt, but how do we know if we dont rookie draft him he is the same height etc as maxxiejoffaboy wrote:Because Silvagni is not up to AFl standard.ralphysaints35 wrote:why dont we look at alex silvagni?kos wrote:i think its a great idea drafting carroll.
he will be back up to our key backs, and a suitable replacement for max for mabe a couple of years untill we unearth a long term prospect.
God help us - Silvagni, Dawson - who next????
He is an excellent VFL player. Not knocking the kid but has been at the Scorps for quite a few seasons and the Saints have seen plenty of him.ralphysaints35 wrote:ok maybe he isnt, but how do we know if we dont rookie draft him he is the same height etc as maxxiejoffaboy wrote:Because Silvagni is not up to AFl standard.ralphysaints35 wrote:why dont we look at alex silvagni?kos wrote:i think its a great idea drafting carroll.
he will be back up to our key backs, and a suitable replacement for max for mabe a couple of years untill we unearth a long term prospect.
God help us - Silvagni, Dawson - who next????
They have not recruited him for a reason.
Look I am not wrapt in Carroll but he may be cheap and may help us in defence. Is big and can play AFL.
May work or may be a disaster. I like St.Dac will gredgingly give him support if he gets a gig and hope like hell he goes OK.
A bit like Dempster.
Lance or James??
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in <redacted>. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a <redacted>investigation followed by <redacted> witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for <redacted>and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense. (Oops just got a spontaneous errection <unredacted>)
People have to wake up and look at our defensive situation.
1. Goose down, maybe gone.
2. Dempster out for most of 2009, perhaps the whole season.
3. Max is tuening 33 next year. Potentially a hamstring away from the end.
4. To have any hope we must play Goddard in the midfield, with Gram having bursts and Sam Fisher playing more of a rebounding defender role.
5. Baker has not played a decent game in defence for 3 years.
6. Sam Gilbert got cleaned up by Williams in the prelim.
There's all the negatives... what about the positives.....?
1. Raph coming of age (but as a rebounding defender not really as a KPP back.
2. Blake is a reliable KPP back
3. SOS is our defensive coach and has performed marvels over the last couple of years.
That's it.
In summary if one or more of Blake or Max go down who takes their place? Fish can, but compromises his skill set. Gwilt? Gram?.....
I don't know a lot about Carroll but I'm prepared to trust the club to decide on this one. Remember Brent Guerra? Part of the reason he was delisted was because he's an A#1 tool.... now he fills a defensive post at Hawthorn and has a shiny premiership medallion around his neck.
1. Goose down, maybe gone.
2. Dempster out for most of 2009, perhaps the whole season.
3. Max is tuening 33 next year. Potentially a hamstring away from the end.
4. To have any hope we must play Goddard in the midfield, with Gram having bursts and Sam Fisher playing more of a rebounding defender role.
5. Baker has not played a decent game in defence for 3 years.
6. Sam Gilbert got cleaned up by Williams in the prelim.
There's all the negatives... what about the positives.....?
1. Raph coming of age (but as a rebounding defender not really as a KPP back.
2. Blake is a reliable KPP back
3. SOS is our defensive coach and has performed marvels over the last couple of years.
That's it.
In summary if one or more of Blake or Max go down who takes their place? Fish can, but compromises his skill set. Gwilt? Gram?.....
I don't know a lot about Carroll but I'm prepared to trust the club to decide on this one. Remember Brent Guerra? Part of the reason he was delisted was because he's an A#1 tool.... now he fills a defensive post at Hawthorn and has a shiny premiership medallion around his neck.
Hird... The unflushable one is now... just a turd...
-
mad saint guy
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7088
- Joined: Tue 26 Jul 2005 9:44pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 52 times
- Been thanked: 367 times
We've already got plenty of options in defence.
Hudghton
Maguire
S.Fisher
Blake
Gilbert
R.Clarke
Goddard
Gwilt
Allen
Miles
Carroll is old, has little skill and is an absolute moron. Instead of constantly recruiting rejects to fill in if Max is injured, why don't we recruit someone who could take his spot for the next 10 years?
Hudghton
Maguire
S.Fisher
Blake
Gilbert
R.Clarke
Goddard
Gwilt
Allen
Miles
Carroll is old, has little skill and is an absolute moron. Instead of constantly recruiting rejects to fill in if Max is injured, why don't we recruit someone who could take his spot for the next 10 years?
mad saint guy wrote:We've already got plenty of options in defence.
Hudghton - a hamstring away from the end
Maguire - may never get back, been out for the best part of 2.5 years
S.Fisher - better value as a rebounding defender
Blake - yes but is also a utility back/tagging mid/ruck
Gilbert - towelled up by Hawthorn's 3rd forward - serious doubts over his defensive capabilities against decent forwards
R.Clarke - as for Sam Fish, except that he's not much chop as a KP back
Goddard - must play midfield for us to be a serious flag chance
Gwilt - still not convinced he is good enough as a back man (or anywhere else)
Allen - totally unproven at AFL level
Miles - ditto
We should do that, but such a recruit is realistically 2-4 years away from a starting position. We need defensive cover now.Carroll is old, has little skill and is an absolute moron. Instead of constantly recruiting rejects to fill in if Max is injured, why don't we recruit someone who could take his spot for the next 10 years?
Hird... The unflushable one is now... just a turd...
joffaboy wrote:Sam Fisher and take the second or third forward he may have some value.
But FFS shave of that idiotic moe and take off a headband. Players with headbands look like effing halfwit posers.
he's trying to hide his circumcision scar
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
"Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of a free society,"
However, freedom of expression is not encouraged in certain forums.
-
WayneJudson42
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3380
- Joined: Mon 07 Jul 2008 9:53pm
- Location: I'm a victim of circumstance
With all due respect??? Have you turned over a new leaf of politeness?fonz_#15 wrote:with all due respect, don't you think Plugger, Hall, Cousins and Gehrig are slightly better players than Carrol? i think they were worth the risk.WayneJudson42 wrote:LOL
Half the forum is having wet-dreams about picking up Cuz, but no way to Carrol?
IMHO, Cuz is a bigger tool, and as far as clubment go... Cuz will be remembered in the same boat as Carey for ripping the heart out of their respective clubs.
If he has a role, and the coach reckons he's capable, then good luck to him.
Not the first tool to don the RB&W... and won't be the last.
Seems that their's a "plan B" being hatched to cover Goose, much like M Clarke.
Who else do we have? Blake is ok, Raph? Gwilt? Fiora?
Judging by the club's decision to trade for Ray as well as Cuz, they obviously believe that we are a chance in the next 2 years. So why play a kid in the backline when you already have Goose and Dempster out?
Bringing in kids for the sake of it is a massive risk if you think we are genuine contenders. There are only so many kids you can develop in any one year. After that, you go into a total rebuild phase, which is what we are not yet ready for.
IMHO, Max is a very courageous player and first rate stopper. What happens if he goes down again?
If NC can come in and do a job of stopping a 2nd or 3rd forward... then he's worth a punt.
Oh, and maybe his attitude has to do with being at a certain club?
Plugger toned it down and played great footy at the Swans, as has Hall to a lesser degree... and as some one else mentioned, Gherig.
Carrol is a tool playing in the defense of the crappest team going around.
Never said that Carroll was as good as those players. If he was, there'd be more interest in him from clubs.
Just making the point that people can change in a different environment.
He's not a magic bullet to our defence... but a depth player with AFL experience.
The lid is off after Round 2! Enjoy the journey, coz you just don't know where we'll end up. Live for today and seize the moment.
-
derby Street
- Club Player
- Posts: 1105
- Joined: Sun 27 Apr 2008 12:29am
- Location: everywhere
- Has thanked: 47 times
- Been thanked: 74 times
-
mightysainters
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 1986
- Joined: Tue 16 Mar 2004 2:21pm
- Has thanked: 28 times
- Been thanked: 52 times
-
St Fidelius
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10492
- Joined: Sun 01 Aug 2004 10:30am