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agreed, an absolute waste of a player or potential player on our list IMOplugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
so you would go into 2009 with king our only recognised ruckman. Kosi has struggled as a second ruck, let alone first, Mcenvoy still needs a couple of years to develop as a ruck. We go through 2008 with rix and MG as main back ups and now you want to cut both?St Fidelius wrote:agreed, an absolute waste of a player or potential player on our list IMOplugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
27 games in 5 seasons
2 decent games in two years for two years pay
Well Rix and MG had a huge impact this year. Yes I would rather go in with just the other 3 and get another young player but it doesnt matter what I think MG is there for another year.Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
To me that makes sense so he will obviously change his mind now as he doesnt have a set veiw on ruckmen.St Fidelius wrote:I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Sydney did not win a premiership wtih Everitt
Hawks did not win a premiership with Everitt
Port won with Lade and Brogan, one of the best ruck duos going....
Gardiner has played just 27 games in 5 years and just 9 in the past 2 years...
His body can't withstand AFL IMO and has just played 2 decent games in 2 years...
If you are suggesting that by signing Gardiner for another year has some capabilities of us winning a premiership surely you are joking, if you need a translator for that you have no hope IMO???
I reckon that's a fair assessment Solar. Still need a back-up for King and Kosi and with McEvoy still a way away, needed to keep at least one of them. You never know, Rix might also stay on the list. Our ruck division is still pretty thin,especially if King gets injured.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
No, but they won with Ball and what's his name...St Fidelius wrote:I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Sydney did not win a premiership wtih Everitt
Hawks did not win a premiership with Everitt
Port won with Lade and Brogan, one of the best ruck duos going....
Gardiner has played just 27 games in 5 years and just 9 in the past 2 years...
His body can't withstand AFL IMO and has just played 2 decent games in 2 years...
If you are suggesting that by signing Gardiner for another year has some capabilities of us winning a premiership surely you are joking, if you need a translator for that you have no hope IMO???
sydney won a flag because jolly and ball were awesome around the packs and created heaps of goals. Same could be said of port. WCE was a force because the rucks gave their mids first use of it. Not sure where the whole everitt comment came from, thats a little left field. Kind of similar to having an argument about the importance of key forwards and suggesting that a key forward is not important because the hawks won without nathan thompson..... you get the point....St Fidelius wrote:I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Sydney did not win a premiership wtih Everitt
Hawks did not win a premiership with Everitt
Port won with Lade and Brogan, one of the best ruck duos going....
Gardiner has played just 27 games in 5 years and just 9 in the past 2 years...
His body can't withstand AFL IMO and has just played 2 decent games in 2 years...
If you are suggesting that by signing Gardiner for another year has some capabilities of us winning a premiership surely you are joking, if you need a translator for that you have no hope IMO???
Sydney won with Ball and Jolly (who Melbourne foolishly gave away and kept Jamar)...WayneJudson42 wrote:No, but they won with Ball and what's his name...St Fidelius wrote:I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Sydney did not win a premiership wtih Everitt
Hawks did not win a premiership with Everitt
Port won with Lade and Brogan, one of the best ruck duos going....
Gardiner has played just 27 games in 5 years and just 9 in the past 2 years...
His body can't withstand AFL IMO and has just played 2 decent games in 2 years...
If you are suggesting that by signing Gardiner for another year has some capabilities of us winning a premiership surely you are joking, if you need a translator for that you have no hope IMO???
Ok,so you've explained the problem as you see it... so what's the solution, and if it were possible to get either of Warnock, Seaby or McIntosh, we wouldn't have done it?
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
so whats the solution....St Fidelius wrote:Sydney won with Ball and Jolly (who Melbourne foolishly gave away and kept Jamar)...WayneJudson42 wrote:No, but they won with Ball and what's his name...St Fidelius wrote:I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Sydney did not win a premiership wtih Everitt
Hawks did not win a premiership with Everitt
Port won with Lade and Brogan, one of the best ruck duos going....
Gardiner has played just 27 games in 5 years and just 9 in the past 2 years...
His body can't withstand AFL IMO and has just played 2 decent games in 2 years...
If you are suggesting that by signing Gardiner for another year has some capabilities of us winning a premiership surely you are joking, if you need a translator for that you have no hope IMO???
Ok,so you've explained the problem as you see it... so what's the solution, and if it were possible to get either of Warnock, Seaby or McIntosh, we wouldn't have done it?
No we obviously didn't want to trade our first round draft pick (even though the St Kilda web site states that we did by securing Farren Ray) for Warnock, Seaby or McIntosh..
But all I am saying is that Gardiner is not the answer and he will be lucky to play 9 games next year (he is getting older and only managed 9 this year).
IMOSolar wrote:so whats the solution....St Fidelius wrote:Sydney won with Ball and Jolly (who Melbourne foolishly gave away and kept Jamar)...WayneJudson42 wrote:No, but they won with Ball and what's his name...St Fidelius wrote:I will translate it again, seeing you are obviously unable to read...Solar wrote:can someone translate this for meSt Fidelius wrote:So by signing Gardiner for yet another year, you think we are serious ???Solar wrote:you seriously want to go into a season with kings only back up kosi with a mac in development and blake pinch hits for 20 mins a game....plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Kosi and mac are also a very long way away from being first ruck material. Happy to have one of rix or gardiner as our back up till mac develops in 1-2 years time (along with a rookie and another drafted ruckman).
Is that your response???
Ask sydney, port or the hawks how overated the ruckman are!!
bleh why do I bother debating an issue where you guys have a set view point and are not willing to change it.....
Sydney did not win a premiership wtih Everitt
Hawks did not win a premiership with Everitt
Port won with Lade and Brogan, one of the best ruck duos going....
Gardiner has played just 27 games in 5 years and just 9 in the past 2 years...
His body can't withstand AFL IMO and has just played 2 decent games in 2 years...
If you are suggesting that by signing Gardiner for another year has some capabilities of us winning a premiership surely you are joking, if you need a translator for that you have no hope IMO???
Ok,so you've explained the problem as you see it... so what's the solution, and if it were possible to get either of Warnock, Seaby or McIntosh, we wouldn't have done it?
No we obviously didn't want to trade our first round draft pick (even though the St Kilda web site states that we did by securing Farren Ray) for Warnock, Seaby or McIntosh..
But all I am saying is that Gardiner is not the answer and he will be lucky to play 9 games next year (he is getting older and only managed 9 this year).
do you really think we should go into next season with only one player capable of playing first ruck next year?? rix is not the answer, neither is gardiner. Had to keep one at least, remind me rix's last good game for us
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
who are our back up rucks?plugger66 wrote:The solution is simple. We have 3 backup ruckmen. We should have enough with those numbers. We dont need Rix and MG as one isnt good enough and the other is injured more than not. Dont think either Geelong, Dogs or Hawthorn had more than 4 ruckmen on their list this year dont understand why we need 5.
Obviously either the club has thought otherwise... or they tried and couldn't get a 1st ruck.St Fidelius wrote:
I don't have a solution and that's up to the club, but again Gardiner is not the solution or a first ruck option and has never been really considered as one for years...
He just can't move and is unable to move around the ground IMO
Blake was my other one because IMO he is still our second best ruck option depending on our equirements down back next year. LVR will not be at the club next year you would think. Anyway like I said the top 3 sides didnt have more than 4 ruck options this year so why are we any different.Solar wrote:who are our back up rucks?plugger66 wrote:The solution is simple. We have 3 backup ruckmen. We should have enough with those numbers. We dont need Rix and MG as one isnt good enough and the other is injured more than not. Dont think either Geelong, Dogs or Hawthorn had more than 4 ruckmen on their list this year dont understand why we need 5.
kosi, macenvoy and LVR? you going to add a rookie or first year draftee to this?
Would be great if they were all capable of first ruck but really.....2009??
Yep, I am replying to previous posts of..WayneJudson42 wrote:Obviously either the club has thought otherwise... or they tried and couldn't get a 1st ruck.St Fidelius wrote:
I don't have a solution and that's up to the club, but again Gardiner is not the solution or a first ruck option and has never been really considered as one for years...
He just can't move and is unable to move around the ground IMO
I agree that neither are 1st rucks, but at this stage, we don't seem to have a choice.
andAwesome Stuff!
and to me I think neither, and am stating my opinion...happy with that
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Well I played and was a backman and a poor backman but I say unless they do something around the ground they are overated especially with the 4 boundary umpires next year. By the way if it was that important why did Hawthorn win the flag this year with what most people would consider 2 ordinary ruckmen.Spinner wrote:plugger66 wrote:Why do we need either. Havent we got Kosi, McEvoy and Blake as backups for the most overated position on the ground.Solar wrote:we didn't land a ruckman in the trade priod so it was either rix or gardiner. Gardiner showed more near the ned of the season and rix doesn't look like playing AFL again.
Congrats to eddy btw
Overrated.
Only forwards and people who have never played the game have that opinion.
The ruckman is the most important position on the ground!
